Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

[faithhopecharity]

You don't even understand what believers mean by faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4;5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) You are unable to see anything beyond your Roman Catholic church indoctrination.

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John theBaptist until now the kingdom ofheaven suffereth violence, and theviolent take it by force.

you keep ignoring this one!

I wonder why?

thks

 

[mailmandan]

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John theBaptist until now the kingdom ofheaven suffereth violence, and theviolent take it by force.

you keep ignoring this one!

I wonder why?

thks

There is nothing to ignore. Matthew 11:12 speaks for itself. It's you who continues to ignore multiple passages of scripture in multiple different posts that I previously shared with you as you continue to "parrot off" what your Roman Catholic predecessors before you have taught.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

those who are justified have the grace of God which is the life of God in us, His eternal life is temporary unto death & judgement then we who are faithful enter into permanent eternal salvation!

but sin can cause us to lose God and grace

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7c(fragile)

abide in Christ Jn 15:1-6 means we can also not abide

Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


((endure to the end shall be saved))

mk 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

mt 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

heb 3:6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

heb 3:14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

thks

we can choose to deny Chirst and faith

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will denyus:

1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

and we can fall and lose grace

gal 5:4 ye are fallen from grace.

Eternal life

eternal = forever
Life = living, born again, undead, ressurected.


The catholic church destroyed the meaning of the word and made a mockery of it.

Good luck on your conditional life my friend. I hope it works out for you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

it implies water baptism
and water baptism saved us
it is the initial grace of justification the second step in the process of salvation

what do you think it means?

and how do we know who is right?

thks

No

Grace and works do not mix. Water baptism is a work.

I am done.. You keep on boasting and pumping your chest like a pharisee.. I will go on praising the God who saved me

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is nothing to ignore. Matthew 11:12 speaks for itself. It's you who continues to ignore multiple passages of scripture in multiple different posts that I previously shared with you as you continue to "parrot off" what your Roman Catholic predecessors before you have taught.

time to stop feeding.. stop beating a dead horse.

 

[faithhopecharity]

if means those who are saved do these works.

those who are not saved do not do these works

it does not mean do these works and you may get to heaven.. but even then, I can;t promise you because you still have to be good enough

eph 2 refers to the general redemption when Christ quickend or brought us to life in grace, not our personal salvation!

To have eternal salvation we must abide in Christ and bear fruit (Lk 3:9 Jn 15:1-6) and endure to the end (mt 10:22 rev 2:10) and be judged faithful then we enter into eternal salvation!

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

if means those who are saved do these works.

those who are not saved do not do these works

it does not mean do these works and you may get to heaven.. but even then, I can;t promise you because you still have to be good enough

Faith Alone? or Christ did it all, nothing for us to do?

Perpetual faith Jn 3:16 1 Jn 5:13
faith, hope, charity 1 cor 13:13
fruits of repentance mt 3:8
2 cor 7:10
fruits of righteousness phil 1:11
deeds of righteousness Lk 1:75
acts 10:35
merciful receive mercy mt 5:7
pure of heart mt 5:8
ask seek knock mt 7:7
watch and pray mt 26:41 Lk 21:36
narrow road to life mt 7:14 Ps 23:3
bear fruit Lk 3:9 Jn 15:1-6
grow in grace 2 pet 3:18
keep commands rev 14:12 mt 19:17 Jn 14:21 1 cor 7:19 1Jn 3:24 1 Jn 5:2-3 rev 12:17
suffer with Christ and for His sake
phil 1:29 Lk 9:23
walk, sow, live by the Spirit
rom 8:1 rom 8:13
gal 6:7-8 1 pet 2:24
repentance conversion surrender
acts 3:19 1 pet 3:12
faith & patience heb 6:12
faith, patience, good works rev 2:19
endure to the end mt 10:22
overcome rev 2:10


Created to Know, Love, & Serve God

not faith alone!

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

yes actually it is. Just like circumcision is a work.


actually yes you can. You do it every time you go swimming.. You can circumcise yourself. to.. But I would not recommend it.

Acts 2: 38 is is Paul commanding every to repent for the gift of the HS. and to be baptized because they recieved remission of sin.. The english text is lacking

Jesus told nicodemus how to be born again, No mention of water baptism. because water baptism is not required.

john 3, 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16. for God so loved the world he gave his only son that whoever believes (trusts) in him will never perish, and live forever (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

If john 3: 5 was baptism. Jesus would have said so


leave rome. They are decieved and will lead you astray

kinds of works

((unfruitful works))

(works of the law)

Refer to the works of the mosaic covenant

(works of the flesh)

Listed in Gal 5:19-21 & Eph 5:3-5
these cause the loss of grace and the bar us from salvation in the kingdom of God. the unfruitful works of darkness

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. eph 5:6

(dead works) or (works alone) or (natural works)

Works that are good in and of themselves but are not in union with Christ and grace and have power to accomplish perseverance unto eternal salvation! unfruitful works

Apart from Christ: NOTHING! Jn 15:5

((fruitful works))

Living works or deeds of rightousness!

(living works) (faith & works)

Supernatural good works (gifts of God) accomplished in union with Christ and empowered by His grace with perseverance to the end of our life unto eternal salvation!

fruitful works! Lk 3:9 Jn 15:5 bear fruit

2 cor 9: And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

With Christ & empowered by grace:
I CAN DO ALL THINGS! Phil 4:13

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Living works:
1 pet 2:15-16 good works
1 pet 2:20 acceptable to God
1 pet 2:21-22 suffer as Christ suffered

righteousness implies & requires acts (volition) of righteousness
just deeds unto faithfulness in the new covenant!
mt 3:15
mt 10:22
mt 25
mt 6:33
mt 7:7
mt 26:41
mt 7:14
Lk 1:75
acts 10:35
rom 3:21
rom 5:21
rom 6:18
1 tim 6:11
1 tim 2:22
2 tim 3:16
heb 11:33
2 pet 2:21
1 Jn 2:29
1 Jn 3:7
1 pet 2:24



mt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (Practices)

Luke 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
(acts / deeds)

Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: (works of the flesh) but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (living works of righteousness)

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, (works of the flesh) or of obedience unto righteousness? (living works of righteousness)

Romans 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; (works of the flesh) even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (living works of righteousness)

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (living works of righteousness)

1 tim 6: 11-14

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(Living works of righteousness)

deeds rewarded with eternal salvation! Heb 11:6 God is a rewarder of those who seek Him!

mt 5:7 blessed are the merciful they shall receive mercy

mt 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

(see God =eternal salvation)

mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life...

(life = eternal salvation)

mt 11:28-29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

(rest for our souls = eternal salvation)

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Typical response.

That is another conversation.. I am talking to Jesus conversation with Nicodemus.

Jesus said you must be born again,

Nicodemus asked how.

this is what Jesus said.

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Please tell me where Jesus answered him by telling him he had to be baptised

mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit

why act from a motive of pride presumption & arrogance, if its a free gift we have nothing to do with it, why any self importance? why exalt thyself, nothing personal just thinking out loud.

important verses:
mt 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Lk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

christians must be instructed in the faith, no one has authority to read scripture and invent your own religion, create your own covenant, start your own church, or form your own doctrine according to what pleases you or private judgement

Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
1 tim 3:15
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Jesus did not contradict himself.. Mark 16:16 says baptism. the word water is not in the text.. nor should it be.

Matt 28, They were already saved (made disciples) when they are baptized.

Nice try.. Again, depart from rome, it has decieved you

matt 28:19 is one action one means of making disciples teaching inspection and baptism

Jn 4:1 disciples by baptism

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

quick question, what is the wage of sin?

How are we made alive?

wages of sin is death, spiritual death and if unrepentant at death it is permanent

Christ accomplished the general redemption by His life death and resurrection making the life of grace possible for us to receive by consenting to the instruction and baptism of Christ in His apostolic church

what is the second commandment?

please

 

[faithhopecharity]

what is the wage of sin?

what is the gift of God?

union with us even the shadow of death frightens us not, why? Thou art with me (union) Thy rod and staff (the faith and morals) comforts me! Ps 23:4

the gift union with God by Christ in His grace having the power of His grace, life, merits, and Holy Spirit to be faithful unto death and then eternal salvation!

phil 4:13 with Christ I can do all things


2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

1 pet 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Lk 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
(The deeds of righteousness)

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

thks