Are all Christian faiths the same?

[Brakelite]

A horrible thought,yes. However, such a prohibition will not happen in the United States of America.
Our First Amendment right to exercise religious freedom assures that.

One national emergency and disaster can change that overnight.

 

[Brakelite]

Did Paul teach keep the Sabbath as a justification requirement today ?
Col 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

No he didn't. And i don't know anyone who does, do you?

 

[Brakelite]

But this issue isn't about what happens to me, or the church, it's about the offence against God. An apostate church using the government as a vehicle for legislating a man made commandment that legally coerces the nation, and later the world, to deliberately set aside the 4th commandment of God's sacred and holy law in favor of a pagan idolatrous submission to the authority of the Antichrist. There's no defending that.

 

[Gray_Joy]

One national emergency and disaster can change that overnight.

Not really.

 

[BarneyFife]

One national emergency and disaster can change that overnight.

Amen, Brother!

It's like we didn't learn anything from the pandemic!

 

[BarneyFife]

Definitely no. It is illegal now for Pastors to pray for the alphabet people. Even if they ask for prayer. There are several other restrictions as well. A Christian professional rugby player a few years ago lost his contact and his standing as a national representative for posting the following on social media...

“9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. ”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV

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It was considered a being homophobic and offensive. Interesting that there were no drunkards or adulterers protesting.

"The alphabet people?"

 

[Gray_Joy]

Amen, Brother!

It's like we didn't learn anything from the pandemic!

We certainly didn't.

They didn't suspend the Constitution during the lockdown. And Martial Law was not declared.

Consider too if you will that when speaking to those in a different country,their understanding of laws and Constitution have no relationship to that of the United States of America.

California's Liberal governor attempted to violate church Assembly and freedom of religious worship forbidding churches to operate unless fettered by the new rules. Masks,limited numbers in closed spaces. Staying at a distance from one another.

One would think it a regression to medieval ignorance in thinking those measures stopped the spread of a virus.

One pastor that I know of,RIP, refused to comply. And later won a lawsuit for violation of religious rights in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Fostering fear paradigms do not help anyone. And certainly shouldn't be ushered in so to disrupt Christians sense of peace and security.

The United States Constitution protects We the People from the overreach of Government.

I think it important to always remember that.

 

[faithhopecharity]

"The alphabet people?"

hi friend! have not heard from you in ages, we were on another site and I had a different user name.

blessings

 

[faithhopecharity]

there is only one revealed christian faith! eph 4:5 one Lord "one faith" one baptism

Jude 1 :3 contend for "the faith" once handed to the saints!

heb 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Divers ways!

Truth of divine revelation is communicated in many ways!

By the heavens: Ps 19:1
By the Father: Matt 16:17
By Christ in person: Matt 5:2 Mk 1:21-22 Lk 5:3 Jn 3:16 heb 1:1-2
By the Holy Spirit: 1 Tim 4:1
By the call of God: Gen 12:1
By the burning bush: Ex 3:2
Appears Lk 3:2
By Sacred Scripture: Lk 24:32
By Sacred Tradition: 2 thes 2:15
By the apostles preaching the word:
Acts 8:4 Acts 8:35
By Christ’s command that the apostolic churches teaches all men unto eternal salvation: Matt 28:19
By the Angels: Ex 3:2 Matt 1:20
Lk 1:28 Acts 8:26
By dreams: Matt 1:20
By visions: Acts 19:17
By unknown means: Lk 3:2
By preaching of John the Baptist: Lk 3:3-5

Not by “Scripture alone”!

Scripture? Yes
Scripture alone? No!
Scripture & Tradition? Yes

 

[TitusTwoWife]

Amen, Brother!

It's like we didn't learn anything from the pandemic!

Good to see you!!

 

[TitusTwoWife]

there is only one revealed christian faith! eph 4:5 one Lord "one faith" one baptism

Jude 1 :3 contend for "the faith" once handed to the saints!

heb 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Divers ways!

Truth of divine revelation is communicated in many ways!

By the heavens: Ps 19:1
By the Father: Matt 16:17
By Christ in person: Matt 5:2 Mk 1:21-22 Lk 5:3 Jn 3:16 heb 1:1-2
By the Holy Spirit: 1 Tim 4:1
By the call of God: Gen 12:1
By the burning bush: Ex 3:2
Appears Lk 3:2
By Sacred Scripture: Lk 24:32
By Sacred Tradition: 2 thes 2:15
By the apostles preaching the word:
Acts 8:4 Acts 8:35
By Christ’s command that the apostolic churches teaches all men unto eternal salvation: Matt 28:19
By the Angels: Ex 3:2 Matt 1:20
Lk 1:28 Acts 8:26
By dreams: Matt 1:20
By visions: Acts 19:17
By unknown means: Lk 3:2
By preaching of John the Baptist: Lk 3:3-5

Not by “Scripture alone”!

Scripture? Yes
Scripture alone? No!
Scripture & Tradition? Yes

@faithhopecharity

Are you Catholic or Orthodox by any chance?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I ran across a post on X this morning by Senator Mike Lee.
He posted:

As of two days ago, the Pentagon recognizes every Christian faith in America as Christian Except one ...

There is a video he made concerning I believe it concerns Latter Day Saints or Mormons.
I'm not sure which denomination he is, I think LDS.

He then followed up with another post:

I just got off the phone with President Trump We discussed the Pentagon’s “Christian list” I won’t speak for him, but I’m thrilled about where this is heading We’re most fortunate that President Trump (1) loves Latter-day Saints, and (2) is our commander in chief
Stay tuned

I don't have a denomination that I adhere to. I just have a very strong intertwined Relationship with the Lord.

Frankly I don't give a care what the Pentagon considers Christian.
And why would the Pentagon be "making a list" ?

https://x.com/BasedMikeLee/status/2063781664984068297/video/1

But it made me consider the question:
How many Christian faiths are there?
Because as far as The Holy Bible goes, there is,
Eph 4:5
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

We are living in some very peculiar times.
I believe in the separation of church and state. I believe that the world is carnal and christians are spiritual.
Difference between night and day, darkness and light.

We don't follow the dictates of the Pentagon or who it decides to classify as Christian.
That's God's job.

I like Senator Mike Lee. And maybe this is some kind of message that he is sending, telling us the Government is watching?
Making a list even.
I don't like that.

I don't care what denomination anyone follows as long as they Follow the Lord before all others.
Colossians Chapter 2 comes to mind:

Col 2:20
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21
(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22
Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

But what kind of effect do you think this will have on Judaism, Muslim, and other non-Christian "Religions" ?

When they passed the Patriots Act right after 9/11 they also had a list.
I'm just saying, is he warning us? Or do you think he feels legitimately discriminated against?
I think it's a warning that the "Pentagon" is sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong.

Just thought I'd share this.
Dangerous times folks.
Hugs

Any denomination or sect that denies the five fundamentals of the faith is not Christian though they may have many Christian doctrines. These are the five fundamentals:

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH​ There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). [1] I cannot say definitively but those who believe you can lose your salvation for the most part deny #3 That puts them on unsure ground soteriologically.

 

[Ziggy]

Any denomination or sect that denies the five fundamentals of the faith is not Christian though they may have many Christian doctrines. These are the five fundamentals:

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH​ There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus"Chaplain Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). [1] I cannot say definitively but those who believe you can lose your salvation for the most part deny #3 That puts them on unsure ground soteriologically.

The reason I started the thread wasn't so much to do with Religion in and of itself.
It was about which groups of people who define themselves as "Faith based " should receive Military compensation for becoming a "Chaplain" for each of these individual groups. Including such as Druid, Wicca, there is a whole list I posted in earlier.
I did a little research and found that each "Chaplain" can receive up to 190K plus food, housing, travel, etc.
All at the expense of the taxpayers dime.

So Pete Hegseth the Secretary of Defense/War, went through the Department basically cleaning house and removing some of those entities which considered themselves a Faith Religion in order to have employment.
There was a lot of hard feelings among a lot of those "Organizations" that considered themselves member of the community of Religion.

But I hear what you are saying.
Hugs

 

[Justified]

Any denomination or sect that denies the five fundamentals of the faith is not Christian though they may have many Christian doctrines. These are the five fundamentals:

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH​ There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). [1] I cannot say definitively but those who believe you can lose your salvation for the most part deny #3 That puts them on unsure ground soteriologically.

There are far more than five: there is only one God; God is eternal and created everything; God is imminent and transcendent; God is distinct from creation; the literal, physical resurrection of Jesus; salvation is found only in Jesus; the return of Jesus; a final judgment; we cannot earn our salvation; etc.

 

[faithhopecharity]

@faithhopecharity

Are you Catholic or Orthodox by any chance?

traditional roman Catholic

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There are far more than five: there is only one God; God is eternal and created everything; God is imminent and transcendent; God is distinct from creation; the literal, physical resurrection of Jesus; salvation is found only in Jesus; the return of Jesus; a final judgment; we cannot earn our salvation; etc.

Well dvout men of God from many denominations that believed gathered and prayed earnestly about the minimum one needed to believe. All those things you mentioned are vital doctrines but those come in time.

All one needs to believe to be saved is the Jesus is Lord and that God the Father raised Him physically from the dead as Paul declared in Romans

 

[Justified]

Well dvout men of God from many denominations that believed gathered and prayed earnestly about the minimum one needed to believe. All those things you mentioned are vital doctrines but those come in time.

So, by their reckoning, Mormons and Modalists are still Christians, despite polytheism and Modalism being heresies. That is a problem.

All one needs to believe to be saved is the Jesus is Lord and that God the Father raised Him physically from the dead as Paul declared in Romans

And yet a Christian, someone who is truly saved, cannot deny any of the things I presented, along with many more. From Rom. 10:9 alone, "confess" and "believe" imply the necessity of faith. Confessing "Jesus is Lord" implies salvation through Christ alone. Implied in "God," is that there is only one God. Monotheism and salvation by faith through Christ alone are absolutely fundamental.

 

[PS95]

Any denomination or sect that denies the five fundamentals of the faith is not Christian though they may have many Christian doctrines. These are the five fundamentals:

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH​ There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). [1] I cannot say definitively but those who believe you can lose your salvation for the most part deny #3 That puts them on unsure ground soteriologically.

That list knocks JWs out totally-- BUT IF THEY WERE ON HERE now they would say they agree to those. deception is just that- deception..

1. Deity of Christ- JW- we believe he is deity and divine.. what they mean--- a god- = created archangel)
2. Virgin Birth- JW --Of course- we believe that! what they mean--- -----Michael's life force was put into Mary's ovum
3.Blood atonement- JW--Of course we know Jesus died for our sins-- what they mean --your physical death causes you to become sinless.
4. Bodily Resurrection-- JW-We believe Jesus ROSE.-- what they mean-- Michael's life force went back to haven so God could recreate Michael. Jesus' the man is dead forever body is gone forever.
5. Inerrancy of Scripture- JW Yes we believe that- what they mean----- because we fixed the bible.

 

[Ziggy]

1. No Religion (NR)—around 29 percent of U.S. adults are religiously unaffiliated.
2. Christian—Evangelical (EV)—almost 25 percent of U.S. adults are Evangelical Protestant.
3. Christian—Catholic (CA)—around 20 percent of Americans are Catholic.
4. Christian—Non-Denominational (ND)—around 6 percent of Americans worship in a non-denominational church, according to the Hartford Institute for Religion Research.
5. Christian—Methodist (ME)—approximately 3 percent of Americans are Methodist.
6. Christian—Pentecostal (PE)—around 3 percent of Americans are Pentecostalists.
7. Judaism (Jewish) (JU)—about 2 percent of Americans are Jewish.
8. Christian—Lutheran (LU)—approximately 1 percent of Americans are Lutherans.
9. Islam (Muslim) (IS)—around 1 percent of Americans are Muslim.
10. Christian—Baptist (BA)—approximately 1 percent of Americans are Baptist.
11. Christian—Presbyterian (PR)—about 1 percent of Americans identify as members of the Presbyterian Church.
12. Christian—Episcopal/Anglican (EA)—around 1 percent of Americans identify as members of the Episcopal Church.
13. Christian—Church of Christ (CC)—approximately 1 percent of Americans identify as members of the Church of Christ.
14. Christian—Church of God (CG)—around 1 percent of Americans identify as members of the Church of God.
15. Christian—Orthodox (OX)—around 1 percent of Americans are Orthodox Christians.
16. Hindu (HI)—about 1 percent of Americans are Hindu.
17. Buddhism (BU)—approximately 1 percent of Americans are Buddhist.
18. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (CJ)—around 1 percent of Americans affiliate with this church.
19. Christian—Assemblies of God (AG)—around 1 percent of Americans identify as members of the Assemblies of God.
20. Christian—Church of the Nazarene (CN)—around 0.6 percent Americans are part of the Church of the Nazarene, according to the church's website.
21. Christian—Seventh Day Adventist (SA)—approximately 0.5 percent of Americans identify as Seventh-Day Adventists.
22. Agnostic (AN)—around 0.5 percent of Americans identify as agnostics.
23. Christian—Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW)—less than 1 percent of Americans identify as Jehovah's Witnesses.
24. Baha’i Faith (BH)—more than 0.05 percent Americans are members of the Baha’i Faith, according to bahaipedia.org.
25. Christian—Reformed (RE)—over 0.03 percent of Americans are part of the Christian Reformed Church, according to the Christian Reformed Church.
26. Christian—Brethren (BR)—slightly more than 0.03 percent of Americans are part of the Church of the Brethren, according to brethren.com.
27. Christian—Quaker (QU)—over 0.03 percent of Americans identify as Quakers, according to Encyclopaedia Britannica.
28. Sikh (SI)—around 0.02 percent of Americans are Sikhs.
29. Christian—Scientist (SC) No data.
30. Christian—Other (CO) No data.
31. Other Religions (OR) No data.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Well dvout men of God from many denominations that believed gathered and prayed earnestly about the minimum one needed to believe. All those things you mentioned are vital doctrines but those come in time.

All one needs to believe to be saved is the Jesus is Lord and that God the Father raised Him physically from the dead as Paul declared in Romans

what do we do with these?

mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved

Mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

rev 2:10 overcome to receive the crown

thks