you have a flawed understanding of the lifelong process of salvation
yes a justified born again believer can sin and be eternally lost, damned
grace can be lost by deadly sin
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)
We have union by grace not eternal salvation!
Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
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You are not correcting my position. You are proving my point. You wish I had a flawed understanding of the lifelong process of salvation, but I do not.
You keep listing warning verses as if the mere existence of warnings cancels the plain promises of Christ.
That is not Bible study. That is verse-stacking. You are taking passages about false professors, works of the flesh, chastening, holiness, and judgment, then forcing them to teach that a born again believer can be justified, sealed, given eternal life, passed from death unto life, and then damned anyway.
Jesus said, “
He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.
You say a justified born again believer can still come into condemnation and be eternally lost. Jesus says he “
shall not come into condemnation.” I will believe Christ over your opinion.
Romans 8:1 says, “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.” You say there can be condemnation again. Scripture says no condemnation. Stop softening that with religious language. “No condemnation” does not mean “no condemnation unless you commit a sin from my special category.” The text says what it says.
Galatians 5:4 is not about a saved man losing grace by a so-called deadly sin. Paul says, “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The issue is not a believer committing a certain sin. The issue is seeking justification by law. That is exactly what you keep doing. You are trying to make final acceptance with God rest on Christ plus your continued obedience. Paul calls that falling from grace.
Ephesians 5:5–6, Galatians 5:19–21, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, Revelation 21:8, and Revelation 21:27 warn that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. Amen. Nobody is denying that. But those passages do not say Christ’s sheep become unsheep, God’s children become unborn, the justified become unjustified, and eternal life becomes temporary life. You are reading that into the text.
Paul told the Corinthians, “such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified” ~1 Corinthians 6:11. He does not say, “such were some of you until your next deadly sin makes you unjustified again.” He points them back to what God has done in Christ.
Galatians 6:7–8 says a man reaps what he sows. Amen. If a man sows to the flesh, he proves where his heart is. If he lives in unrepentant wickedness, I will not comfort him with assurance. I will tell him to repent. But that still does not teach your doctrine that Christ gives eternal life and then takes it back every time a believer crosses your invented line.
First John 3:15 says, “whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” Exactly. It says eternal life is not abiding in him. It does not say eternal life was abiding in him, then left, then came back later after enough repentance. John is exposing the nature of a man whose life is marked by hatred. He is not teaching temporary regeneration.
Second Corinthians 4:7 says, “we have this treasure in earthen vessels.” That teaches human weakness and God’s power. It does not teach loss of salvation. You dragged that verse into this argument because you need volume, not context.
First Corinthians 15:10 says Paul did not receive the grace of God in vain because grace worked in him. Amen. True grace changes a man. But Paul does not say grace is maintained by works. He says, “yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.” You turned grace into a wage system while still calling it grace.
First Timothy 5:12 speaks of younger widows casting off their first faith in a specific context. It does not overturn John 10:28, where Jesus says, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish.” Never means never.
John 1:16 says, “And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.” That does not help your position. It shows grace comes from Christ’s fulness. It does not say grace is kept by your performance.
You said, “We have union by grace not eternal salvation.” That statement is the problem. Scripture does not separate union with Christ from life in Christ. First John 5:11–12 says, “God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.”
Not might have life. Not temporary life. Not union without eternal salvation. “He that hath the Son hath life.”
Your doctrine makes eternal life temporary, no condemnation conditional condemnation, never perish maybe perish, sealed until the day of redemption sealed until the next deadly sin, and Christ’s finished work dependent on man’s ongoing performance. That is not the gospel. That is confusion dressed in Bible verses.
Yes, sin is serious. Yes, the wicked will perish. Yes, false professors must be warned. Yes, believers must repent, obey, and walk in holiness. But none of that means justification is preserved by works.
Romans 4:5 still stands: “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
You need to stop using warning passages to murder the promises of Christ. If your doctrine forces you to say that Jesus gives eternal life to His sheep and they can still perish,
your doctrine is wrong. Repent of adding works to the ground of final salvation. Christ is not a temporary Savior, and eternal life is not probation.
