David in NJ
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Which "player" in your post was the recipient of "laid on him the iniquity" ???
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Isaiah 53:6 says "...the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Jesus bore my penalty, necessary because I "sinned in Adam," i.e. the judgment on Adam fell upon us all.
Jesus bore my penalty, necessary because I "sinned in Adam," i.e. the judgment on Adam fell upon us all.
The Bible does not teach that you “sinned in Adam.”
You sinned in yourself. God does not condemn you for the sin of Adam. You did inherit the fallen, corrupt, separated from God, sin-prone nature of Adam, but his personal sin is not imputed to you.
Scripture plainly teaches that sin is not inherited.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him.
Everyone is responsible for their own conduct (Rom. 14:12).
Sinfulness begins in one's youth (Gen. 8:21; Jer. 3:25).
Children must reach a level of maturity before they are able to consciously choose good or evil (Isa. 7:15, 16). Little children are held up as models for those who seek the kingdom (Matt. 18:3; 19:14). The human spirit is not inherited from one’s parents; it is given by God (Ecc. 12:7; Heb. 12:9).
David in NJ
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If a human fetus is guilty of Adam’s sin, then all miscarriages and aborted babies go to hell?
You should read verses 5 and 6. These verses are figures of speech, hyperbole, exaggeration to make a strong point, meaning he sinned all his life. A fetus or baby cannot literally do good or bad.
The hyperbole continues in verse 6, speaking of God demanding righteous living from the womb, meaning during our entire life.
We are not inheriting Adam’s personal sin when we are conceived in the womb. That would contradict Ezekiel.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him.
Palm 51:5,6
5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
6 NIV Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb;
you taught me wisdom in that secret place.
6 NLT But you desire honesty from the womb, teaching me wisdom even there.
6 NASB Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being, And in secret You will make wisdom known to me.
6 ESV Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being, and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart.
David in NJ
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Love you my brother in Christ and Thank You for helping out here.
More scripture to digest - 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 & Ephesians 2:1-10 & James 1:18 is not hyperbole
But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive
What happens to babies is decided by the LORD
If you remember, the LORD told the Israelites to wipe out the men/women/children/babies who had corrupted themselves.
Just sharing - no need for us to divide over it - your love in Christ is most important = Thank You
In Adam all die, but we don’t have Adam’s sin imputed to us, we just reap the results (sickness, mental problems, aging, death) of Adam’s sin. The sin of Adam made humans mortal, subject to decay and death.
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Pagan babies were eliminated, but not due to their personal sins, it was to avoid retribution by them when they became older.
I Corinthians 15:20 says we die in Adam, not we sinned in Adam.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Ephesians 2 does not say we inherited the guilt of Adam’s sin. It says we were dead in sins. Whose sins? Our own sins.
James 1:18 has nothing to do with our sinning in Adam.
He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.
David in NJ
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The babies were exterminated because of the sins that contaminated them even as children.
These were not the common sins of modern mankind but far more demonic.
Why did GOD destroy every living thing in Noah's Day???
David in NJ
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Bladerunner
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<aborted babies go to hell>
Elect infants go to heaven.
It's in the book (Romans 9:19-29).
Davy
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Other way around brother. The teaching by the majority that the "great tribulation" is going to be all out war and chaos is a POP teaching, and is not what Lord Jesus and His Apostles showed about the end. Even in 1 Thess.5, Apostle Paul showed that at the end the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety"!
And because of your attitude, I have to assume you have been sucked into men's false pre-trib rapture, for they especially teach that the coming "great tribulation" is going to be all out war and chaos, to SCARE BELIEVERS into wrongly accepting their FALSE pre-trib Rapture idea. Jesus was emphatic that He comes to gather His saints AFTER... the tribulation (Matt.24:29-31). So if those men will teach 100% OPPOSITE of what Jesus Himself said, then what else have they deceived YOU with?
Since you will not quote the verses, I will. They do not say you sinned in Adam. They say that sin prevailed in mankind ever since Adam sinned. You do not bear the sin of Adam.
Ezekiel 18:10
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: therighteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Not one verse in this chain states that you sinned in Adam. Look for yourself. In fact, before the law, sin was not imputed to anyone, but death did reign.
Romans 5:12-21
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
The following is an exchange of ideas on a popular forum. I thought that it was quite indicative of the state of the Christian mind today.
BH said:
"In no reality does Hamas represent those who have not taken the brand. They are murderers, liars, they kill babies, rape women and call it divine, they manipulate the media to make themselves look better than they are, and those who live in darkness believe in media manipulation. I am sorry to tell you this, but your mind is in darkness, and the light of the Lord Jesus is far from your perception.
My answer follows.
Christians are deceived by their own interpretations. They believe in them so firmly that when the true meaning is presented, it is completely rejected. The Lord said that He would do a work in our day, which, even if it were told, would not be believed. Your problem goes back a long way. It begins with one failed interpretation after another. What I find so astonishing about this topic is that no matter how many times I am right, Christians will always deny what I have presented. In your world, you are waiting for some kind of mark that will be implemented worldwide. I have discussed this in the letter. The first thing you need to know is who is being talked about. If you say "all people", then you will already be starting from a false premise. Then, you'll need to imagine a series of circumstances to match your conclusions. The most revealing of your interpretations is that you say nothing. You do not provide any details, and it is always coming soon. What bothers me the most is that you hide the real answers. It is a total shame that a person spends his whole life learning his beliefs, and when the time comes to apply the meanings, has no idea. The Lord said to watch. You have failed in this undertaking. You did something though, you interpreted. Now you are waiting for your ideas to come true, which will never happen.
This paragraph is not part of the original response.
It is easy to discern from B.H.'s commentary a certain set of beliefs. What he believes is that Hamas could not be the one that did not accept the mark because they are terrorists. Meaning that the mark will be implemented on a different group. A group that does not commit terrorist acts. Who is this group? If you've been following these teachers for years, the answer is clear. All those who have not accepted the mark are Christians. Christians will not accept the mark because they do not want to worship the beast, even under the penalty of not being able to buy or sell. This is the set of beliefs that B. H. holds as truth while he disputes me, that I should accept as true, which he does not even realize has been corrupted. False teachings that have been accepted by the majority have turned the true meaning of Revelation 13 into a polar opposite. Why would anyone consider what I have to say when such false teachings are so widely believed? I just wanted to emphasize this point because it's a blinder over the eyes of anyone interested in Bible prophecy. michae1
Anchorite explained:
<Not one verse in this chain states that you sinned in Adam>
Bible explained:
<in Adam all died, >
"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." (First Corinthians 15:22).
Jesus took our penalty upon Himself, suffering an excruciating, shameful death.
<Not one verse in this chain states that you sinned in Adam>
Bible explained:
<in Adam all died, >
"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive." (First Corinthians 15:22).
Jesus took our penalty upon Himself, suffering an excruciating, shameful death.
Again, no verse says we sinned in Adam.
In Adam all die, because we inherit Adam’s mortality.
Romans 5:12-14
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
David in NJ
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Yes, because Adam sinned, humans are born with mortal bodies that die.
But there is no scripture that says we sinned in Adam.
We are not judged for Adam’s sin. We are judged for our own sins.
The Bible could not be more clear.
Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned [not “for that all have inherited the sin of Adam”].
Ezekiel 18:10
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
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