Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

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So when interpreting the Bible we have to keep in mind that some things only exist in the minds of unbelievers, even when the Bible say things like the Jerusalem that now is. What other examples are there in the Bible of this sort of thing? Are the elements melting with fervent heat only taking place in the minds of unbelievers? If so then that could’ve been fulfilled in 70AD in the minds of the unbelieving Jews who didn’t flee, right?

Wait, what?

2Pe 3:9-10
(9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
(10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Do you believe that all of these along with the fervent heat took place at the 70AD?
 

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Thanks David... would you be kind enough to elaborate on why the AOD is not the cross and also, your interpretation of the AOD? Thank you.
Why "Messiah being Cut-Off" is not the AOD:

#1 - All of Scripture, beginning in Genesis, Prophecies/Speaks of the Messiah as the Way of Salvation = in JOY
And in that day you will say:

“O Lord, I will praise You;
Though You were angry with me,
Your anger is turned away, and You comfort me.
2Behold, God is my salvation,
I will trust and not be afraid;
‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song;
He also has become my salvation.’ ”

And Hannah prayed and said:

“My heart rejoices in the Lord;
My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies,
Because I rejoice in Your salvation.
2“No one is holy like the Lord,
For there is none besides You,
Nor is there any rock like our God.

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11[r]He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.


Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross,
despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

#2 - The LORD Jesus Christ separated Himself from the "Abomination of Desolation"

So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

19How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unseen from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

23At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive even the elect, if that were possible. 25See, I have told you in advance.

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Why "Messiah being Cut-Off" is not the AOD:

#1 - All of Scripture, beginning in Genesis, Prophecies/Speaks of the Messiah as the Way of Salvation = in JOY
And in that day you will say:

“O Lord, I will praise You;
Though You were angry with me,
Your anger is turned away, and You comfort me.
2Behold, God is my salvation,
I will trust and not be afraid;
‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song;
He also has become my salvation.’ ”

And Hannah prayed and said:

“My heart rejoices in the Lord;
My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies,
Because I rejoice in Your salvation.
2“No one is holy like the Lord,
For there is none besides You,
Nor is there any rock like our God.

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11[r]He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.


Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross,
despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

#2 - The LORD Jesus Christ separated Himself from the "Abomination of Desolation"

So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

19How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unseen from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

23At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive even the elect, if that were possible. 25See, I have told you in advance.

@IndianaRob
I am sorry to say that none of what you mentioned proves (at all) the AOD is not the cross. Why haven't you quoted verses in Daniel, and connect them to verses in the gospels? I asked you to tell me why the AOD is not the cross and to offer your understanding of what the AOD is... please take the time to try and answer those two questions using scripture and reasoning... not to offend you, but you just have opinion only.
 

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Do you believe that all of these along with the fervent heat took place at the 70AD?
Using your hermeneutics a person can claim 2 Peter 3:9-10 all took place in 70AD by claiming it all took place in the minds of the unbelieving Jews. This is what happens when you over spiritualize, you can make the scriptures fit whatever narrative you have.
 
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I am sorry to say that none of what you mentioned proves (at all) the AOD is not the cross. Why haven't you quoted verses in Daniel, and connect them to verses in the gospels? I asked you to tell me why the AOD is not the cross and to offer your understanding of what the AOD is... please take the time to try and answer those two questions using scripture and reasoning... not to offend you, but you just have opinion only.
REALLY?

It is CRYSTAL CLEAR from the Mouth of the LORD Jesus Christ in Matthew chapter 24

abomination /ə-bŏm″ə-nā′shən/

noun​

  1. Abhorrence; disgust.
  2. A cause of abhorrence or disgust.
  3. The feeling of extreme disgust and hatred; abhorrence; detestation; loathing
Did the FATHER look upon His SON on the Cross with "disgust, hatred, abhorrence, detestation and loathing" ???

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

Was the Jesus Christ cruicified before 70AD or after???
 

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REALLY?

It is CRYSTAL CLEAR from the Mouth of the LORD Jesus Christ in Matthew chapter 24

abomination /ə-bŏm″ə-nā′shən/

noun​

  1. Abhorrence; disgust.
  2. A cause of abhorrence or disgust.
  3. The feeling of extreme disgust and hatred; abhorrence; detestation; loathing
Did the FATHER look upon His SON on the Cross with "disgust, hatred, abhorrence, detestation and loathing" ???

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

Was the Jesus Christ cruicified before 70AD or after???
Once again, just because you have a strong opinion does not mean you have a strong understanding of scripture. And in this case, you don't. I have asked you to take the time to study Daniel and perhaps even try to connect those prophetic verses to the gospels...

So, specifically, what does Matthew 24 tell you is the AOD? Matthew 24 is not a one topic chapter... please explain how and why those specific verses in 24 tell us what or who is the AOD....

And, what about Daniel? Don't we find the first mention of the AOD in Daniel? More than once.... And doesn't Daniel also speak to the AOD in Revelation?

Please take the time before you just read some other's misinterpretations.... thanks.
 

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Once again, just because you have a strong opinion does not mean you have a strong understanding of scripture. And in this case, you don't. I have asked you to take the time to study Daniel and perhaps even try to connect those prophetic verses to the gospels...

So, specifically, what does Matthew 24 tell you is the AOD? Matthew 24 is not a one topic chapter... please explain how and why those specific verses in 24 tell us what or who is the AOD....

And, what about Daniel? Don't we find the first mention of the AOD in Daniel? More than once.... And doesn't Daniel also speak to the AOD in Revelation?

Please take the time before you just read some other's misinterpretations.... thanks.
Please READ your own post - at least 3 times

i will pause until you READ your own post here = and then i will respond
 

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Using your hermeneutics a person can claim 2 Peter 3:9-10 all took place in 70AD by claiming it all took place in the minds of the unbelieving Jews. This is what happens when you over spiritualize, you can make the scriptures fit whatever narrative you have.

LOL. That’s quite a leap.

I never said—or taught—that 2 Peter 3:9–10 was fulfilled in 70 AD. You simply invented an argument I don’t hold and then proceeded to attack it. That’s not a refutation; that’s arguing against your own imagination.

2 Peter 3:9–10 has nothing to do with my position concerning 70 AD. So before accusing someone of “over-spiritualizing” Scripture, you might want to actually understand what they believe first.

You can keep trying to force my position into a narrative that you created, but that doesn’t make your accusation true. You can’t refute an argument I never made! :laughing:
 

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Once again, just because you have a strong opinion does not mean you have a strong understanding of scripture. And in this case, you don't. I have asked you to take the time to study Daniel and perhaps even try to connect those prophetic verses to the gospels...

So, specifically, what does Matthew 24 tell you is the AOD? Matthew 24 is not a one topic chapter... please explain how and why those specific verses in 24 tell us what or who is the AOD....

And, what about Daniel? Don't we find the first mention of the AOD in Daniel? More than once.... And doesn't Daniel also speak to the AOD in Revelation?

Please take the time before you just read some other's misinterpretations.... thanks.
Matthew chapter 24 is MAINLY a "one topic chapter".

The MAIN Topic is/begins in verse 3

While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately.
“Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

Indeed we do find the AoD first mentioned in Daniel
AND
We (who SEE) know that the LORD makes CLEAR that HE is NOT the AoD

So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

19How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unseen from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

23At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive even the elect, if that were possible.
25See, I have told you in advance.
 

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Matthew chapter 24 is MAINLY a "one topic chapter".

The MAIN Topic is/begins in verse 3

While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately.
“Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

Indeed we do find the AoD first mentioned in Daniel
AND
We (who SEE) know that the LORD makes CLEAR that HE is NOT the AoD

So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. 18And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

19How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unseen from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

23At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is!’ do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive even the elect, if that were possible.
25See, I have told you in advance.
The only thing you have provided is a copy of some of the verses in Matthew and that is it!

What verses in Daniel speak to the AOD and please offer your understanding of how they give us the definition / identity of the AOD...Don't just copy a verse and say.... walla, there it is!

Then, take the verses in Matthew that you believe define the AOD and tell us how or why you believe this defines or speaks directly to the AOD....

I would urge you to begin your search using the following approach:

1) What exactly is the term "abomination" referring to and why do you relate it to that,

2) What exactly is the term "desolation" referring to and why do you find it to be the case.

3) How do the 3 gospels refer to the AOD? What verses refer back to Daniel - directly or indirectly that support your definition / understanding of the AOD?

4) Matthew 24 is such an important chapter. How can you say it is mainly a one topic chapter?
 

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Part 2 of 2

3) “Messiah” (title withheld) — Daniel 9:26

Immediately after the restorative verse comes the first destructive line:

“after the sixty-two weeks, messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself.” (v.26)
Notice what changes. The word “Prince” is not repeated. Gabriel does not say, “Messiah the Prince shall be cut off.” He says simply, “Messiah.” The identity remains the same person as verse 25, but the presentation shifts. The prophecy moves from arrival to sacrifice; from royal emphasis to substitutionary death. The crown-language fades, and the cross-language dominates.

This appears intentional. In verse 25, the Messiah is described in His royal role—as the appointed Prince arriving to fulfill God’s plan. In verse 26, He is portrayed not as the enthroned Prince, but as the sacrificial Lamb—cut off for others, not for Himself. The title of rule is withheld as though the prophecy itself is showing what the gospel will later reveal: the Prince lays down His crown to take up the cross.

At the same time, the place-names shift. In verse 25, Gabriel says “Jerusalem.” In verse 26, the city is no longer named; it becomes simply “the city” and “the sanctuary.” Proper names and honor-titles withdraw. The tone turns judicial. This mirrors the grief-filled transition we see in the Gospels. Jesus cleanses the Temple and calls it “My house” (Matthew 21:12–13). Later, after rejection, He says, “Behold, your house is left to you desolate” (Matthew 23:38). That shift—my house to your house—is not semantic. It is judicial. It marks the withdrawal of recognized ownership and presence because of national rejection. Daniel 9:26 carries a similar weight: the vocabulary tightens, the names fade, and the prophecy speaks in the language of consequence

4) “The People of the Prince Who Is to Come” — Daniel 9:26

Now we reach the controversial phrase:

“the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary…” (v.26)

This is the only other place in Daniel 9 where the Hebrew title nagiyd appears besides verse 25. But now “Messiah” is absent. That combination matters. It signals that this figure is neither the generic “princes” of Daniel’s prayer (v.6, v.8) nor the titled “Messiah the Prince” of verse 25.

He is a distinct nagiyd—a coming ruler connected to the people who bring destruction. And here is the key nuance: God could have used a common, generic word for ruler here, as Daniel did earlier in his prayer. But He does not. He uses the elevated, purpose-weighted term nagiyd again—without granting the identifying title “Messiah.”

The effect is deliberate. It marks this “prince” as more than a mere military administrator, yet also exposes him as something other than the true Anointed One. He is presented as a counterfeit-prince — a figure who will rise clothed in sacred authority, imitating the posture of divine leadership while lacking the divine identity that belongs to Christ alone. By assigning him the elevated title nagiyd without pairing it with “Messiah,” the text subtly signals that this ruler will not merely govern politically, but will assume a role that encroaches upon divine prerogative. He will not deny God outright; he will claim to represent Him. He will not reject sacred authority; he will assert that he embodies it.

In this way, the wording anticipates a ruler who positions himself as the visible head of God’s people on earth — speaking in God’s name, defining doctrine, mediating forgiveness, and exercising authority over conscience as though heaven itself had vested him with Christ’s office. The absence of the title “Messiah” is therefore not accidental. It is protective. God withholds the true Anointed designation while still using the royal term nagiyd to expose the dangerous resemblance. This prince will present himself as Christ’s earthly stand-in — even as he rises in opposition to the true Prince of princes. The text does not call him Messiah because he is not the Anointed One — but it calls him nagiyd because he will claim a place that looks strikingly similar.

Historically, many identify this with Titus and the Roman forces who destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD. As a surface-level fulfillment, the fit is strong: Rome is the destroying “people,” and Titus stands as the associated ruler. Daniel does show that God uses foreign powers as instruments of judgment—Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, and others—so the idea of Rome serving this role is not foreign to Daniel’s pattern. But the verse is phrased carefully. It does not say the prince destroys the city; it says his people do. The destruction is attributed first to the people, and the prince is described as “to come.” That wording allows the prince to be tied to the Roman world and its legacy without requiring him to be the field commander in the moment of destruction.

It can point to a ruler who emerges from that same people after the devastation—a later authority arising from the aftermath.

This opens the door to a deeper prophetic layer that aligns with Daniel’s visions. Rome’s people destroy the city and the sanctuary, and out of the Roman world—after Jerusalem’s fall and after pagan Rome’s eventual collapse—another power rises. In Daniel’s language elsewhere, this is the trajectory of the little horn: a deceptive, blasphemous force that emerges from the Roman sphere, takes on a religious-political identity, and stands in opposition to the true Prince of princes (Daniel 8:25). In that reading, Daniel’s post-cross arc unfolds in three movements:

Rome’s people destroy the city and the sanctuary (the historical devastation).​

The prince who is to come rises later from among them—the little horn emerging from Rome’s legacy.​

He rules over that legacy—not mainly by military conquest, but by spiritual authority, claiming Christ’s place while opposing Christ’s truth.​

So the language of Daniel 9:25–26 is not incidental. Names and titles appear in restoration; they withdraw in judgment. The Messiah is introduced as Prince; He is cut off as sacrifice. And then another nagiyd appears—untitled, ambiguous, “to come”—linked to the destroying people and pointing forward to the long arc of counterfeit power Daniel had unveiled in chapters 7 and 8.

In this way, the text itself guides the reader. It does not require us to begin with speculation. It invites us to watch what Heaven emphasizes, what Heaven withholds, and how the prophecy’s own structure distinguishes the Messiah from the prince who follows—so we can identify “the prince who is to come,” and understand just who “his people” are, in both the historical and prophetic layers Daniel is presenting.
Are you saying dropping "Messiah" pushes the prince 2000 years ahead? Because "to come" was true of Titus too, he was future from Daniel's vantage point in 538 BC. Nothing in the phrase tells us how far ahead this prince is, just that he isn't the Messiah.
 

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"Present-day Jerusalem?" What Jerusalem, exactly? LOL!

You are still fixated on a "physical city" that Paul is not even discussing in this passage. Galatians 4:23-26 does not say, “the physical buildings of Jerusalem,” “the stones of Jerusalem,” or “the geographic location of Jerusalem.” That is the assumption you are bringing into the text. Big mistake.

Paul himself tells us how to understand it: “Which things are an allegory (Galatians 4:24). He is not giving a lesson about two earthly locations, or one earthly location and one spiritual location. Listen, he is contrasting two covenants and the people belonging to those covenants.

Notice the wording:

Galatians 4:25 — “For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Who is "in bondage"? Not stones. Not buildings. Not a piece of land. Her children! Hello?! Paul is speaking about PEOPLE who remain under the old covenant system of bondage rather than the freedom found in Christ.

The same Jerusalem that had physical stones also represented the covenant people dwelling there. Scripture consistently uses cities as symbolic representations of their inhabitants. Don't you ever learn? For example:

Matthew 23:37 — “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee...”

Jesus was not speaking to bricks and stones that killed prophets. What about Bethelem? Jericho? Or other city in Israel that killed prophets too? Look, he was addressing the people of "Jerusalem" that represents His name, as a congregation of God as a whole who rejected God’s messengers.

Likewise, Paul is not saying, “the physical city of Jerusalem is Hagar.” He is saying the present covenant order represented by Jerusalem is in bondage with her children, because they have not embraced the freedom of Christ.

Paul then contrasts it with:

Galatians 4:26 — “But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”

Notice the contrast: one Jerusalem is “now” and in bondage; the other Jerusalem is “above” and free. Neither one is describing a pile of rocks and buildings. Paul is contrasting two spiritual realities and two peoples. Get it?

This is consistent with the rest of the New Testament:

Philippians 3:3 — “For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus...”

Romans 2:28-29 — “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly... But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly...”

The obsession with forcing every mention of Jerusalem into a literal earthly city like you do misses Paul's entire argument. The issue in Galatians 4 is NOT about geography. It is covenant identity. God has always dealt with people, not with stones. The earthly temple, city, and covenant symbols were shadows; Christ and His people are the substance.

Colossians 2:17 — “Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”

The question is not “Was there a physical Jerusalem in 48 AD?” Of course there was. The question is: What does Paul mean by Jerusalem in this allegory? And Paul answers it himself: he is talking about covenants and the children belonging to them — not a physical city.

Selah

He says the women are an allegory for the covenants. He does NOT say the city is an allegory. Hagar represents mount Sinai, and it corresponds to “the present Jerusalem” - (the Jerusalem of Paul’s day 48ad). Paul is using metonymy, a common literary trope. “The present” Jerusalem, in this instance, is the physical city in Paul’s day which represents the Mosaic law and people enslaved to it.
 

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The only thing you have provided is a copy of some of the verses in Matthew and that is it!

What verses in Daniel speak to the AOD and please offer your understanding of how they give us the definition / identity of the AOD...Don't just copy a verse and say.... walla, there it is!

Then, take the verses in Matthew that you believe define the AOD and tell us how or why you believe this defines or speaks directly to the AOD....

I would urge you to begin your search using the following approach:

1) What exactly is the term "abomination" referring to and why do you relate it to that,

2) What exactly is the term "desolation" referring to and why do you find it to be the case.

3) How do the 3 gospels refer to the AOD? What verses refer back to Daniel - directly or indirectly that support your definition / understanding of the AOD?

4) Matthew 24 is such an important chapter. How can you say it is mainly a one topic chapter?
How would you define the AoD in Matthew chapter 24???
 

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Does scripture clearly and explicitly define the AoD? I would argue it doesn’t, hence the many disputes and different interpretations.

JESUS quoted from the prophet Daniel of the AoD

His disciples knew of this prophecy of Daniel to which JESUS mentioned.

What is your understanding of the AoD?
 

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How would you define the AoD in Matthew chapter 24???
Abomination
Something detestable, morally repugnant — provoking God's own revulsion, most often tied to idolatry or a severe violation of what's holy.
Example: God sends His only begotten Son to save a people — and they murder Him.

Desolation
A state of ruin and emptiness — the aftermath of judgment, where what was once thriving is left barren and abandoned.
Example: The kingdom taken from Israel, the nation laid waste.
 

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Are you saying dropping "Messiah" pushes the prince 2000 years ahead? Because "to come" was true of Titus too, he was future from Daniel's vantage point in 538 BC. Nothing in the phrase tells us how far ahead this prince is, just that he isn't the Messiah.
No, and I am sorry if the narrative wasn't clear. God would purposely give us two Hebrew words in the beginning of the chapter to show us the "secular" Hebrew words for "prince" ( sar).There would not be any mistake as to who these folks would be referring to. Consequently, if He were to use this same Hebrew word later in the chapter to refer to another individual, we would clearly understand it would be a secular type prince - could represent anyone. But He will never us this term again in these 4 verses.

Then, God will use the Hebrew word for prince "nagiyd" in verse 25 and it is attached to the word "Messiah." Meaning, He is speaking about Jesus, Messiah the Prince or the "Anointed One." Clearly, separating this "Prince" from a "prince."

Then, God tells us in verse 26 - the first "destructive" verse of the two destructive verses (26 & 27), that the "Messiah" will be "cut off." And, within this verse, God will not use ANY Hebrew word for prince. And it is because the Messiah is going to the cross and will take on the sin of the world. He is now being seen by God, not as Messiah the Prince, but Messiah - the suffering servant. He gave up His crown (Prince or nagiyd) in verse 25 for the cross in verse 26.

But the very next phrase in verse 26 will record the final mention of the Hebrew word that would be translated as "prince." God could select one of two words: He could have selected the "secular" word of ruler (sar) that is found in verses 6 and 8 and then we would immediately know God was referring to a secular ruler - like a Titus or some other general, etc., but He chose not to.

Instead, He purposely selected the Hebrew word for "Prince" (nagiyd) that He used just for His Messiah in verse 25 which meant "Anointed One."

So, God is telling us in verse 26, the "people of the prince (nagiyd) who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. So, who are the people - Roman army in 70 AD headed by Titus. But who is this "Prince" (nagiyd) that will come AFTER the destruction but still from within "those people?" Whoever he will be God is telling us he will not be just a secular "ruler" (sar) like a Titus type character, but one who will believe he is "anointed" (nagiyd). God is revealing that this one who is to come after the destruction of 70 AD and indeed AFTER the destruction of pagan Rome itself (Daniel 7:11 in 476 AD) will come a prince who sets himself up as though he were "anointed" by God Himself. This is the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8.
 
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Abomination
Something detestable, morally repugnant — provoking God's own revulsion, most often tied to idolatry or a severe violation of what's holy.
Example: God sends His only begotten Son to save a people — and they murder Him.

Desolation
A state of ruin and emptiness — the aftermath of judgment, where what was once thriving is left barren and abandoned.
Example: The kingdom taken from Israel, the nation laid waste.
How is God sending His SON to die for our sins an "abomination"???

JESUS specifically sated what the "desolation" upon Israel is = Please post the verse
 

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How would you define the AoD in Matthew chapter 24???
No, the only thing that would give you is the opportunity to declare that my interpretation is wrong and that is not right... I have asked you to offer your understanding, interpretation and support for your definition of the two terms that, when put together (abomination and desolation) present the only possible meaningful description for this term and can be supported by Matthew, Daniel, 2 Thessalonians 2, Revelation and Leviticus... and I am sure other verses in other books.

You are quick to declare very agressively that someone's interpretation is wrong and you do that with arrogance at times... but never offer your own support or substance ... it is your turn to provide how, and why your interpretations are to be considered and, in this case, why mine are not.