Of course....but saved to what exactly? Honour, dishonour? the glorious city, outer darkness? Pulpiteers never talk about how many church goers are going to be rejected even as they are saved from the lake of fire.
Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?
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Certainly not all the little imperfections for decades, but when you make the prayer of the publican praying in the temple that cried out to God of his weaknesses like I did after 30 years in church UNSAVED, He answered my prayer and He took away all desire to commit any of the major sins unto death (my trap was adultery). That is when He made me righteous. Not just imputed righteousness as a coverup of our present and future sins as I've heard on "To Every Man An Answer" on the radio. He literally took away the sin nature and created a whole new clean nature and then on top of that, filled it with the Spirit of Christ. I actually felt a dark heaviness lift up and out of me. What a strange sensation that was! I felt so light I looked at my feet to see if they were still on the floor.
Then after that moment came decades of Jesus maturing all the fruit of the Spirit. Read 2 Peter 1:2-11. You will learn two new things. First in verse 9 you will learn that Jesus takes away our OLD SINS. Meaning the sins unto death in our past. It does NOT add our present and future sins unto death as they are against God's commandments and are willful. 1 John 1:7 last sentence only refers to unintentional sins not unto death based on immature fruit of the Spirit that Jesus matures in a process correctly named "glorification," not "sanctification." Read 1 Cor. 6:11 and see we were sanctified when we were justified, and doesn't even make the list in Romans 8:30.
The second thing is that you have been matured in all the fruit of the Spirit you can identify in verses 5-7 you will come to a point in your life where you will "never stumble," verse 10. Then on top of being righteous, you will also be holy. That is perfect. It is not based on you, but Jesus. He is the Author and Finisher of our faith, not us. All that is required to grow in the Lord is abiding in Him. Read the Word. Pray. When you see something glorious, make it a habit to praise God. Like sunsets or flowers, or colorful birds, Whatever, let praise easily be on your lips. Also, don't put yourself in compromising situations. Stay away from temptation.
amigo de christo
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i notice marks liked this response . I also notice neither one of you will help
me preach JESUS to an atheist . Rather men like epi who love this all inclusive junk
preach a false gospel and call men like me a religious extremist for preaching JESUS .
YEAH so much for the false love god all inclusive satan and his message . IT SHUT DOWN the gospel that can save
and sold one that wont be saving squat and in fact calls GOD a liar .
You all can keep on keeping on , accusing men like me for not trusting in JESUS .
But it aint me sitting under an ecumeincal harlot and her all inclusive father .
And i dont think i need to say why i said father and NOT FATHER . this generation is gonna reap
what is has sown too . And its god will not be able to save them . its god DENIES the gospel of JESUS
and its god holds hands with all religoins and lies and says HEY we all serve the same GOD
HEY lets all just be one for anti christ world peace , though it wont say anti christ .
but i am the one not trusting IN JESUS . NO I DO TRUST IN JESUS
the problem is that many trust in another jesus . And that one wont be saving any of them .
So then which Jesus do you trust? The exclusivian Jesus that condemns all who don't know His name? Or the inclusivian Jesus who dies for people that don't even know Him?
Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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I follow the One who did die for our sins YET ALSO said YE MUST BELEIVE on HIM .
Sorry epi but the serpent sold you a lie .
Lets go back to the garden and see how he sold a lie to eve as well .
God , as IN THE ONE TRUE GOD said in the day ye eat of the tree ye shall die .
The serpent said surely ye shall not die , that ye shall simply become as gods knowing good and evil .
Notice the serpent used a truth to sell his lie . Cause even GOD said they have become as gods to know good and evil .
YET death did come upon them and upon all mankind .
Guess what epi , the serpent is up to it again .
HE sells the idea of inclusivism .
Surely they wont perish , A LIE , for GOD is love , A truth .
YET JESUS said they wo uld . WHO YA T HINK i am gonna believe epi . Not inclusivism , BUT JESUS .
Cause SEEING GOD dont lie , thus JESUS dont lie , ITS LET GOD be true but every man a liar .
Now why on earth would ol lucifer that ol serepent sell this world such a lie .
HELLO EPI , its because just as his desire was in the garden , DEATH for man , HE desires
them to remain IN DEATH and face the second death .
Wake up epi . you preach a false gospel . And i notice that atheist is now only doubling down
on his unbeleif , GUESS YOU ENCOURAGED HIM epi . Cause you sure didnt preach JESUS to him .
WHO is the one who would silence the gospel . THE serpent would epi . And you bought it .
You can always prove me wrong , BY PREAChING the NEED to BELIEVE on JESUS to this atheist or to ANYONE .
But that aint you epi . And you KNOW IT aint you . You have lied to this people .
amigo de christo
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THis JESUS .
He who beleives NOT in condemened already for he has NOT believed in the name of the only begotten son of GOD .
SAME JESUS WHO DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD , IS THE SAME JESUS that said that epi .
Even calling the jews who did NOT beleive on him as being of their father satan .
The serpent is a liar epi .
And guess what , HE can make his lie seem so lov ing and so good for humanity .
WHEN all he ever desired is their death .
HE is a flesh feeder epi . he gets them through the lusts of their flesh , their fears , pride of life
etc .
And many have indeed loved a lie and rejected the T RUTH .
Many have loved the love of a harlot and her all inclusive father satan .
And hate the LOVE of GOD .
HERE is the LOVE OF GOD EPI , that we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
And GOD has commanded that all do worship the SON . TO BELEIVE ON THE SON .
To BELIEVE epi . TO BELEIVE ON JESUS and to love one another .
NOT to beleive a lie and love one another . You got sold a lie epi .
And i notice those under T RUMP , like wrangler and those under the left
all who are seated under ecumeinalism and ITS INCLuiSIVITY
wont lift a hand to defend the gospel either . THEY are more inclusive ALREADY than you realize .
This world is coming to inclusivitiy to its god , the false religoins already served satan so no marvel that they
are buying into it , and so is a lot of christendom .
The only ones who wont , ARE THE SHEEP epi . But sit back , cause soon enough you and them
will have yalls desire . WHEN the AI digital system causes m en like me and others
to be cast out of society . Loosen your girdle , the world is going your way .
BUT now a word . ON JESUS day will yalls wailing THEN be heard . NOW i never wanted your destruction .
SO i did try and warn you . But it seems you just love a lie way too much to hear a word .
amigo de christo
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yes many pulpiteers do preach another jesus as well epi .
A sin accepting one .
And you preach another gospel and jesus as well . One that is fine and dandy WITH UNBELIEF .
OH , b y the way , these hyper gracers are headed YOUR way .
MANY of them are far more inclusive already . they too beleive the lie of unbeleif .
The only difference between you and them
is a bit of doctrines . both you b oth beleieve a lie . That is why YOU cannot help them .
You can talk about holiness and righteousness all day
WHICH WOULD have been GOOD , IF YA HAD NOT omi tted the DIRE NEED TO FIRST
beleive on JESUS . so your talks are all in vain , just as is theirs .
You have demonstrated over and over again that you cannot grasp spiritual things. Perhaps it's because you bought into the Hebrew mindset thing. I know they are indeed very practical and smart, and hypervigilant, and learned to be out of urgent necessity...they have been fighting to survive for many years in a hostile world without the benefit of faith in God.
Faith is the evidence of things not seen, the substance of things hoped for. This goes hand in hand with where it says in Heb 2 that All things have been put under the feet of Jesus but we do not yet see all things put under Him.
And this is your situation:
1Co 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
the irony is palpable.
I have no clue why you think you have any spiritual understanding beyond your embrace of new age thinking. I think you are confusing your own spiritualized understanding based on new age deceptions with being spiritual in Christ which requires a double wisdom...in things both temporal and eternal.Find until you seek?... such is the foolishness you preach. Spiritualized nonsense.
What I teach is from an actual connection to God, that people don't realize still exists because of al the vain opinions. So they can't tell what is real from what is imagined.
I understand perfectly what you are saying, and I agree. Thus the reason for this OP. And what I named it. I've heard so many warnings from people who are actually taught we will commit sins until we die, describing a slave to sin, certainly not being freed from sin, and thus the Law also which is not on the outside engraved on stone, but on our inside and are now a part of the center of our being.the irony is palpable.
Find until you seek?... such is the foolishness you preach. Spiritualized nonsense.
What I teach is from an actual connection to God, that people don't realize still exists because of al the vain opinions. So they can't tell what is real from what is imagined.
Many have a faulty foundation...in themselves and not in Christ. They have been indoctrinated by pulpiteers to claim to be in the kingdom...and this without any say so of God, and of course having no power beyond what a religious opinion can inspire. It is no wonder that these experience no victory in Christ. No power...just a vain and dead ideology that claims Jesus for themselves.
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The righteousness of Christ is not a coat to cover unconfessed and unforsaken sin: it is a principle of life that transforms the character and controls the conduct. Holiness is the same as sanctification. Sanctification is complete surrender, giving oneself wholly and without reservation body, soul and spirit to God. It is to love God without regard to self or self interest. It is allowing God to do whatever is necessary to rescue you from that cancerous evil which is your death sentence.
Eph. 1:4
1 Thess. 4:7
Leviticus 20:7
Hebrews 12:14
Eph. 5:25-27
Romans 6:17-19
1 Thess. 5:23,24
2 Cor. 7:1
The gospel is not a lifeless theory. It is not solely forgiveness of sin. It is not solely a "get out of jail free card". Hear the following...
“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. ”
John 1:29 KJV
“26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. ”
Romans 11:26-27 KJV
“12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. ”
Hebrews 10:12, 14-17 KJV
“And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. ”
1 John 3:5 KJV
The gospel is a living vital mighty force that changes lives. God has always desired that the receivers of His grace shall be witnesses to its power. If we are not witnesses to its power in our own lives, how can we offer hope to others addicted to sin?
2 Peter 1:3
Phil. 1:9-11
Hebrews 12:1,2
With all the mighty, creative, life- giving power of God promised and always at our disposal, what excuse or reason is there for any Christian to continue in sin? What excuse for not forsaking every known habit and practise not in harmony with the righteousness of Christ? What possible reason, in the face of all the above evidence, is there for believing that sin cannot be completely overcome?
There really is only one reason for believing such a thing. You believe the power of sin is greater than the power of a loving, gracious, merciful Saviour. That the very power and Word that brought the stars into existence, that gave the flowers their fragrance, fruit its flavour, and leaves their colour, must bow in humble defeat before human lust and passion.
Eph. 1:4
1 Thess. 4:7
Leviticus 20:7
Hebrews 12:14
Eph. 5:25-27
Romans 6:17-19
1 Thess. 5:23,24
2 Cor. 7:1
The gospel is not a lifeless theory. It is not solely forgiveness of sin. It is not solely a "get out of jail free card". Hear the following...
“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. ”
John 1:29 KJV
Romans 11:26-27 KJV
Hebrews 10:12, 14-17 KJV
1 John 3:5 KJV
2 Peter 1:3
Phil. 1:9-11
Hebrews 12:1,2
With all the mighty, creative, life- giving power of God promised and always at our disposal, what excuse or reason is there for any Christian to continue in sin? What excuse for not forsaking every known habit and practise not in harmony with the righteousness of Christ? What possible reason, in the face of all the above evidence, is there for believing that sin cannot be completely overcome?
There really is only one reason for believing such a thing. You believe the power of sin is greater than the power of a loving, gracious, merciful Saviour. That the very power and Word that brought the stars into existence, that gave the flowers their fragrance, fruit its flavour, and leaves their colour, must bow in humble defeat before human lust and passion.
If you want to be less ignorant of God's ways because of what I write to you....
Read the book of Exodus. Notice the 12 spies. 2 had a favourable report and 10 didn't.
Those 2 were Joshua and Caleb. These remained in the wilderness with the many unbelievers for 40 years. The people all went into the Promised Land together. It wasn't the case that Joshua and Caleb would go possess the land by themselves.
Did Joshua and Caleb know about the Promised Land, had they walked there?
Were they faithful to God in their wilderness walk with all the other Israelites?
Did they not enter in later on whereas the spies of evil report died in the wilderness?
Let me know how much you can understand to this point....
I don't, but I used to until Jesus took all those evil desires to sin away, taking them out of my nature. And then he has been working on the fruit of the Spirit in me for the past 50 years. Only He knows if He has completed that work in me to where I will "never stumble" as written in 2 Peter 1:10. But read the context from 5-11.
Now don't return with 1 John 1:8 which is like those in Romans 7:14-25 who are still in the flesh, but think they aren't. In other words, before they were born again of the Spirit. There were many in John's congregation, as in every congregation, who are not true Christians yet and still need to test themselves.
Ronald Nolette
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Why don't you stop with the grammar school ad-hominems. This last one is the classic " I know you are but what am I"!
Then you don't know if you still sin. You just haven't in a while. Please know that's true of all born again Christians. The length of time between offenses is hardly the criteria for not sinning anymore.
And besides all that, there are different reasons why born again Christians still sin - immaturity, lack of vigilance, carelessness, foolishness, thoughtlessness, lack of foresight, lack of knowledge. Some of these reasons disappear as we grow up and mature in our knowledge and experience in the Holy Spirit. Some are never going to disappear. Being caught unawares and without malice aforethought will always be a potential cause and source of sin for even the most mature born again believer.
I consider the claim of the born again person to be sinless to be on the opposite extreme of claiming that one is still a sinner. While both can be explained, I think it unwise to take either position.
No, I'm not going to use those. I have another verse in mind. I will post when I have time again.
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