Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Lizbeth]

What happens then? Once you repent and believe on the Messiah, what happens then regarding sin?

I'm not sure what you mean by your question, but our sins are forgiven and cleansed and we are given a fresh new start, and placed on the path of righteousness by the Lord, going in a new direction than we were previously.

 

[MostlyConfused]

Job wasn't sinless

Righteousness does not mean holy. You keep trying to mash them together and it’s never going to work.

 

[MostlyConfused]

he was still falling short of the righteousness that is needed for eternal life.

To inherit life you do not need to be holy.

 

[MostlyConfused]

We always need to hear what the Spirit is saying. Just because the Lord uses the same word in different places, it doesn't mean that He means the exact same literal thing by it in every instance.

We need to resolve these apparent contradictions rather than pitting one scripture against another.

Job wasn't sinless, that is obvious, for one thing because he still needed to repent, which he did at the end of the book. I believe he was righteous as far as it was possible to be righteous before the cross, and more righteous than most....apparently the most righteous of anyone living at that time. But at the time the Lord was saying Job was righteous and perfect in all his ways, he was still falling short of the righteousness that is needed for eternal life. Even the word "perfect" there is talking about whole hearted devotion and whole hearted efforts to serve the Lord, again as far as it was possible before the cross - it isn't talking about the "perfection" we are aiming to walk in as born again believers since the cross.....which perfection/wholeness is spiritual, not of our own. Job's perfection would have been of his own. It fell short of eternal life, but was pleasing to the Lord, so much so that at the end of his trial, He met him face to face, granted him repentance, and made him qualified for eternal life along with other faithful saints, after Jesus died and was resurrected (where it says "they without us would not be made perfect"). If Job's perfection were the same perfection as that after the cross, why did it say the old testament saints would only be made perfect along with we who came along after the cross? Ditto regarding righteousness - Job's righteousness is not talking about the same righteousness that we have been given, which is needed for eternal life. I hope that makes sense, I was hoping to be more brief.

Here below the Lord is talking about the righteousness needed for eternal life....nobody has it in their own right, because all have sinned - except Jesus:

Rom 3:9-13

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Rom 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:12

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

You’re like those guys in the park who Play the shell game.

 

[ProDeo]

What happens then? Once you repent and believe on the Messiah, what happens then regarding sin?

The Holy Spirit will tell you what sin is, Jesus said so.

 

[JustMe]

To inherit life you do not need to be holy.

Holiness is essential to inherit eternal life. While eternal life is a gift received through faith in Jesus Christ rather than earned by works, holiness is a necessary evidence and consequence of that salvation. As we possess the Spirit of God we are considered holy as a consequence of justification and the ability to be righteous by and in Christ. It is a positional starting view. After that we practice in our walk righteousness, where it becomes life changing, character-changing. We sin less and are prone to more righteous acts and begin to practice being holy. Each person reaches this point differently in time and quality.

Key biblical and theological points include:

Biblical Mandate: Hebrews 12:14 explicitly states, "Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord."

Distinction Between Cause and Effect: Holiness is not the cause of salvation but the fruit of it. Believers are saved by grace through faith, but genuine faith results in a transformed life marked by sanctification and separation from sin.

Practical Necessity: Scripture warns that those who continue in unrepentant sin, including sexual immorality and other works of the flesh, will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9–10).

Two Aspects: Holiness involves both positional sanctification (being declared holy in Christ at salvation) and progressive sanctification (the ongoing process of becoming practically holy in daily life).

In summary, one cannot claim to have inherited eternal life through faith while remaining indifferent to holiness; a pursuit of a holy life is the required response to God's grace.

 

[ScottA]

Another way to understand "why so many teach against what Jesus taught", is because many consider themselves (self) approved by much study, strong belief, and their own interpretation and understanding. That does not qualify one to say "God told me." In other words, no, no one can by their own doing, "find themselves approved."

Meanwhile, the only thing that Jesus has appointed for these times, is what comes directly from the Father, and what Jesus gives to the Holy Spirit to speak through those He sends. Period.

 

[JimKnox]

Baptist?

Close.
Why does it matter to you?

 

[Lizbeth]

You’re like those guys in the park who Play the shell game.

It sounds as though you didn't understand my post.