Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Judge Hardcastle]

That's a lie of the devil. It is no wonder you live in defeat. The devil teaches defeatism.

Romans 8:9 "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. "

1 John 5:18 "We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

You do not know what 'not being in the flesh' means. It does not mean you cannot sin, and never want to.

To not be in the flesh means your relationship with your flesh has changed and you do not have to do what it says anymore. It no longer has authority and power over you to make you bear its fruit. Born again, saved, Spirit filled children of God spend a lifetime learning to realize the reality of this truth.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You're not getting it. Temptation is the desire to sin. Jesus was tempted just as we are. You say if you're really born again you no longer have the desire to sin. Jesus was not born again in your theology.

I did not have a desire to sin, but I know the Word, and shut down my free will. Remember Adam wasn't created with a desire to sin, just free will.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

It does not mean you cannot sin, and never want to.

Yes it does, because Jesus takes away all desire to sin, and in Him is no sin. I am in Him, and He is in Me, and we communicate continuously.

You are recklessly playing the devil, and are in communication with him.

 

[Laurina]

Okay, then your argument about being fearful doesn't have any basis. You have been saying we need to be fearful.

You're not understanding me at all!! When I say we need to have "the fear of the Lord" you hear fearful. Please show me where I said we need to be fearful.

Now you're saying we need to be fearful if/when we sin.

Please quote me. I want to see exactly where I said that. Please don't put words in my mouth and then jump to false conclusions based on your faulty understanding. You're better off to ask questions.

Can you not understand that having the fear of the Lord and being fearful is NOT the same???

 

[David1701]

Obviously, I obey Paul and reckon myself free from sin. In other words, I tell myself the truth. Proverbs 23:5 "as a man thinks in his heart so is he." If you keep telling yourself you are a sinner, you will be. It was false teachers that told the post apostolic church that you will "always sin" until you die and your body is resurrected. They had the felonious idea that sin was rooted in the body, not the sin nature. It is our sin nature that is born again clean.

So, you believe that you never sin, in desire, thought, word or deed?