Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Judge Hardcastle]

That's a lie of the devil. It is no wonder you live in defeat. The devil teaches defeatism.

Romans 8:9 "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. "

1 John 5:18 "We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

You do not know what 'not being in the flesh' means. It does not mean you cannot sin, and never want to.

To not be in the flesh means your relationship with your flesh has changed and you do not have to do what it says anymore. It no longer has authority and power over you to make you bear its fruit. Born again, saved, Spirit filled children of God spend a lifetime learning to realize the reality of this truth.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You're not getting it. Temptation is the desire to sin. Jesus was tempted just as we are. You say if you're really born again you no longer have the desire to sin. Jesus was not born again in your theology.

I did not have a desire to sin, but I know the Word, and shut down my free will. Remember Adam wasn't created with a desire to sin, just free will.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

It does not mean you cannot sin, and never want to.

Yes it does, because Jesus takes away all desire to sin, and in Him is no sin. I am in Him, and He is in Me, and we communicate continuously.

You are recklessly playing the devil, and are in communication with him, listening to his lies of defeatism.

 

[Laurina]

Okay, then your argument about being fearful doesn't have any basis. You have been saying we need to be fearful.

You're not understanding me at all!! When I say we need to have "the fear of the Lord" you hear fearful. Please show me where I said we need to be fearful.

Now you're saying we need to be fearful if/when we sin.

Please quote me. I want to see exactly where I said that. Please don't put words in my mouth and then jump to false conclusions based on your faulty understanding. You're better off to ask questions.

Can you not understand that having the fear of the Lord and being fearful is NOT the same???

 

[David1701]

Obviously, I obey Paul and reckon myself free from sin. In other words, I tell myself the truth. Proverbs 23:5 "as a man thinks in his heart so is he." If you keep telling yourself you are a sinner, you will be. It was false teachers that told the post apostolic church that you will "always sin" until you die and your body is resurrected. They had the felonious idea that sin was rooted in the body, not the sin nature. It is our sin nature that is born again clean.

So, you believe that you never sin, in desire, thought, word or deed?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

So, you believe that you never sin, in desire, thought, word or deed?

Right. That wasn't always true. You see, it is Jesus, not I who is the Author of my faith. What you probably have not been taught is that Jesus takes away THE DESIRE to sin, and in Him is no sin. Once you learn the truth, the truth will set you free. Free from what? SIN, including the source - the sin nature. Those sins are called lawlessness, and are sins unto death. This was taught by the Apostles, and into the Catholic denomination who called them mortal sins. It was the Reformation that dumbed down this important knowledge and called all sin, "sin is sin." From this one blunder came many false doctrines. Instead of Jesus taking away our old sins, the Reformation adds "present and future" sins. They made grace a license to sin. Martin Luther even taught to SIN BOLDLY - on purpose to show the power of grace.

After the first phase of our salvation, Jesus continues His work for the second phase of our salvation unto holiness, as the Finisher of our faith. This is where He matures all the fruit of the Spirit. Actions from immature fruit are called "sins not unto death" the Catholic Church calls venial sins. He's been working on those for the past 49 years, and only He knows when He has completed this phase.

The first and second phases of our salvation are called His righteousness being revealed from FAITH to FAITH, Romans 1:16-17.

 

[ProDeo]

I just found this verse:

Rev. 19:5
"And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great."

That's why I said and still say "fear of the Lord" not just fear....go back and check what I said!
Now, do your own in depth study on this.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT!!!
I had listed a few verses, but my study doesn't help you. You have to do the work to be able to understand this at the depth that is needed!!

P.S. UNLESS you hear "Fear not" you're wise to fear!!! Don't assume the "fear not", that will get you the same end as Uzza!

I am sorry, I can't follow your thoughts.

The fear of the Lord has many aspects, if one is a believer or not is one component with different keywords, I tried to give some incomplete words, I quote -

1. afraid, scared, anxiety, guilt, punishment.
2. Holy Fear, awe, respectfully, reverent, submission.

Tell me your definitions, examples, feelings.

It's not that simple at all.

Thanks.

 

[ProDeo]

P.S. @ProDeo

Why in Luke 4:18 is "aphesis" translated as "deliverance" and "liberty" (it's used twice in that verse)??? ...and then, in most other places it's translated as forgiveness or remission (remission is closer in meaning because in remission the power is taken away, but freedom is clearer in meaning, as in freedom from sin).

I am not going to argue with Bible Hub Greek, nor with the translations of the KJV, ESV and YLT.