Pictures of Christ 2 returns...

[Dryhn]

Is the LORD Jesus Christ pre-trib or post-trib?

If referring to 1 Thess 4:16-17, my belief is PRE and as always I welcome polite discussion regarding different viewpoints

 

[David in NJ]

as always I welcome polite discussion regarding different viewpoints

Excellent

If referring to 1 Thess 4:16-17, my belief is PRE

Please explain how you perceive 1 Thess 4:16-17 to be PRE

 

[Dryhn]

Excellent


Please explain how you perceive 1 Thess 4:16-17 to be PRE

I'm PRE because believers in the trib can lose Heaven entry by failing to perform.
eg Lord Lord did we not......., ye visited me not....,

As yet for today no-one has listed verses from Paul that teach performance is a Heaven entry requirement

 

[Douggg]

Scripture says the dead in Christ rise first, not *some* of the dead in Christ rise first and not the beheaded saints of the trib rise first.

The dead in Christ rise first for the resurrection/rapture event, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18.

Revelation 20:4-5 is not part of the resurrection/rapture event. But after Jesus has returned.

 

[Dryhn]

The dead in Christ rise first for the resurrection/rapture event, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18.

Revelation 20:4-5 is not part of the resurrection/rapture event. But after Jesus has returned.

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I'm with you Douggg, see you on the way up :)

 

[ewq1938]

The dead in Christ rise first for the resurrection/rapture event, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18.

Revelation 20:4-5 is not part of the resurrection/rapture event. But after Jesus has returned.

All the dead in Christ rise at the resurrection event and it happens at the second coming.

There are only two mass resurrections, the first for the saved, and one for the unsaved.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

First group resurrection: "to everlasting life"
Second group resurrection: "to shame and everlasting contempt"


Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life ; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"


Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

First group resurrection: "the just"
Second group resurrection: the "unjust"

Take note that in every passage where the resurrection of the saved and unsaved are mentioned that the saved or just is always mentioned first. That's important because it is they that resurrect first! Scripture never deviates from this order. Revelation, John, Daniel and Acts all say the saved first, then the unsaved in that exact order.


Luk 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
Luk 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

 

[Douggg]

All the dead in Christ rise at the resurrection event and it happens at the second coming.

There are only two mass resurrections, the first for the saved, and one for the unsaved.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

First group resurrection: "to everlasting life"
Second group resurrection: "to shame and everlasting contempt"


Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life ; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"


Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

First group resurrection: "the just"
Second group resurrection: the "unjust"

Take note that in every passage where the resurrection of the saved and unsaved are mentioned that the saved or just is always mentioned first. That's important because it is they that resurrect first! Scripture never deviates from this order. Revelation, John, Daniel and Acts all say the saved first, then the unsaved in that exact order.


Luk 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
Luk 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

The resurrection/rapture event is not just a resurrection of the dead in Christ, but also the changing of living in Christ, i.e. the rapture.

There is no rapture mentioned in Revelation 19, nor Revelation 20.

You post trib view of the resurrection/rapture event is wrong.

 

[ewq1938]

The resurrection/rapture event is not just a resurrection of the dead in Christ, but also the changing of living in Christ, i.e. the rapture.

Those are two events that happen very close in time to each other. You have tried to claim the beheaded in Rev 20 are resurrected at a dif time than the rest of the saved dead but that is not correct.

There is no rapture mentioned in Revelation 19, nor Revelation 20.

So? Rev 19 is AFTER the rapture has happened as they are part of the army that comes with Jesus. Rev 20 starts with focusing on one group of the dead that will resurrect at the Coming. They aren't the onbly ones resurrecting at that time.

You post trib view of the resurrection/rapture event is wrong.

No, Pretrib's version is wrong and has no biblical support. apostasia is NOT the rapture. It's the Apostasy. There is also ONE resurrection event for all the saved dead as I proved with multiple passages. You didn't respond to any of those scriptures.

 

[Douggg]

Those are two events that happen very close in time to each other. You have tried to claim the beheaded in Rev 20 are resurrected at a dif time than the rest of the saved dead but that is not correct.

So? Rev 19 is AFTER the rapture has happened as they are part of the army that comes with Jesus. Rev 20 starts with focusing on one group of the dead that will resurrect at the Coming. They aren't the onbly ones resurrecting at that time.
No, Pretrib's version is wrong and has no biblical support. apostasia is NOT the rapture. It's the Apostasy. There is also ONE resurrection event for all the saved dead as I proved with multiple passages. You didn't respond to any of those scriptures.

Show your chart. Here is mine.