Once saved always saved

[FaithWillDo]

So God caused Lucifer to become His adversary?

While the Creator didn't give the first 2 humans the ability to choose to disobey?

Are you saying that in both cases their Designer/Creator/Programmer preprogrammed them to oppose or disobey Him?

Dear One 2 question,

Yes to both questions.

So God caused Lucifer to become His adversary?

Isa 54:15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake. 16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Ecc 7:13 Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?

Job 26:13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Prov 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Satan masquerades as Christ and deceives the church. When a babe in Christ falls prey to Satan, they are experiencing the Day of Evil and are being governed by the spirit of anti-Christ. Christ "hath made all things for himself" which includes Satan being mankind's waster and destroyer. If God did not create Satan to be His adversary, mankind would not be able to experience their Day of Evil.

While the Creator didn't give the first 2 humans the ability to choose to disobey?

I'm not sure I understand your question but I'll try the best I can.

Here is what God did to cause Adam and Eve to sin:

God created Adam and Eve to be spiritually marred. The flaw in their spiritual makeup was that it was weak. Because it was weak, they quickly developed a carnal mind that put their own needs and desires above obeying their Creator. This led them to sin.

Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

Rom 5:6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food (LUST OF THE FLESH), and that it was pleasant to the eyes (LUST OF THE EYES), and a tree to be desired to make one wise (PRIDE OF LIFE), she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Satan was even placed in the Garden of Eden to provide the temptation and the deception so that Adam and Eve would disobey God.

Adam and Eve's sin did not happen by chance or by their supposed free will ability to choose, it happened because God directed their steps so that they would sin.

Prov 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

Nothing in God's creation happens by chance or by mankind's supposed free will ability. Everything happens because God wills it to happen, plans it to happen, speaks it to happen and then causes it to happen.

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Joe

 

[Marvelloustime]

notice GOD draws one TO JESUS CHRIST .
not to false religoins like muslim or any other ism . TO JESUS CHRIST .
Just wanted to remind us all about this fact .
Cause we got a whole mess of ecumeincal inclusivains bringing in T HE LIE of all lies unto this generation .
A false inclusive gospel of anti christ meant only to merge all religoins as one for world peace .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Hello my friend .
I dont know why we are comparing such words . ALL of them are TRUTH .
YES .
There is no two gospels .
There is one gospel . It began with JESUS
then the twelve began to preach it . Then paul was also converted and he began to preach it .
In fact , ALL t hings JESUS taught are MEAT for the sheep . Paul knew it . peter knew it , they all knew it .
Its men that confuse it all up .
Its real simple my friend .
IF is written in that bible . BELEIVE IT . pretty simple indeed . and james and paul were not at odds at all .
BOTH KNEW one had to BELIEVE ON JESUS to be saved .
And yes EVEN paul knew that faith without works is dead .
If any provides not for his own , specially for those of his own household , he has DENIED THE FAITH
and is worse than an infidel . EVERYTHING written and left for us in the bible , IT IS Truth and for us to observe .
GO ye into all the world , preaching the glorious gospel and teaching them to Observe , ALL THINGS i have taught you .
JESUS words APPLY every bit as much FOR US as they did in the beginning . Now to the trenches one
and all . s

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

A simple reminder for us all , all the apostels to later include paul himself
THEY ALL taught the one same identical gospel to both jews and gentiles .
And all of those le tters do not contradict at all . And its all good meat for the sheep .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

this generation is not gonna make it .
But i will do as i am led to do what is best for the peoples .
KNOWING full well most will reject and that in time this might even cost me my life .
But i hold not my own life dear to me , that i might finish the course in Christ .
IF i am killed for JESUS then S O BE IT . whatever the will of GOD is .
but i am gonna expose all and everything contrary to THE TRUTH of GOD and of Christ .
I dont make deals with harlots .
And i dont seek unity and find common ground with satan . THUS with
ecuemincal inclusivism and its finding common ground for world peace .
DO as you will and as you feel you must .
Just dont expect me to join in with anything contrary TO GOD .
crow cross dont hug folks to hell as many others do .
IF you see me in error or perhaps think i am , DO try and correct OKAY.

@amigo de christo

 

[Kayla McCanny]

I'm a Christian. Will I always be a Christian? Am I going to heaven when I die. Did God damn me? The demon torments me.

 

[CrowCross]

All things were created by Christ so that makes Him the Creator of heaven and earth. And yes, Jesus and His Father are the ones who are making mankind in their image. How does that make them a trinity? Where is the Holy Spirit in all this? You have a preconceived belief that you are adding to scripture where it is silent.

Yes, all things were created by Jesus THIS means Jesus wasn't created.

The Holy Spirit is also God...the 3rd mentioned in the trinity. The Holy Spirit can be seen in Gen 1:2.
The Holy Spirit was part of the "us" and "our"

If the trinity was true, why does Paul not teach it? Or Peter? or John? Or James?

Paul taught the Holy Spirit was God in Acts 5:1-6. John presented Jesus as God in John 1.
There are other verses that show a trinity of the Godhead...but are too numerous to post in this reply.

There are only two verses of scripture that imply a trinity and both are false scriptures which were added centuries ago by apostate leaders to give support to their false doctrine of the trinity. You are being deceived.

That is just a claim by you...can you prove that statement to be true?

Joe

 

[amigo de christo]

Martha , martha you are troubled and careful in many things
BUT ONE THING IS REQUIRED and MARY has chosen this part .
AND WHO was mary sitting at the feet of and hearing . WHY IT WAS JESUS .

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

I'm a Christian. Will I always be a Christian? Am I going to heaven when I die. Did God damn me? The demon torments me.

No believing person will be damned. The sacrifice of Christ they believe and trust in protects them from damnation. With Christ for you (because you believe and trust in him) who can be against you, Christ, the very one who is interceding on your behalf before the Father in heaven?

Romans 8:33-34
33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.

No one can bring a charge against he whom God justifies. Certainly not God himself!

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Martha , martha you are troubled and careful in many things

"Martha, Martha, Martha."

(We had a TV in every room in the '70's.)

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

So would you say that those who do not come to the Lord to be saved are willfully rejecting the gift of faith?

I think so.

Faith is a thing, a noun. It's the supernatural assurance and conviction that something you can't see really is true (Hebrews 11:1). This faith comes through the hearing of God's word inhabited by the testimony of the Holy Spirit (Romans 10:17). Many people reject the testimony of the Holy Spirit, in effect calling God a liar.

1 John 5:6,10
6...it is the Spirit who testifies to this, because the Spirit is the truth.
10Whoever believes in the Son of God has this testimony (of the Spirit) within him; whoever does not believe God has made Him out to be a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given (through the Spirit) about His Son.

So, yes, unbelievers are rejecting the gift of faith, because they are rejecting the testimony of the the Holy Spirit through whom faith comes to a person. And since they reject faith, they reject the power through which a person is able to believe and receive the gospel and be saved.

 

[Taken]

Once saved always saved​

Question or Statement…

The UN- Knowing will Question.
The Knowing will State.

ONCE is THE “KEY”…

The Lord Jesus gave His ONCE Prepared Body unto Death ONCE.

A man can (or not) Freely DO the Same.

Prepare ONCE…
Give ONCE…

AND EXPECT… Gods Faithful and True Promise To ONCE and FOREVER be DELIVERED unto YOU…

ONCE a human “IS PREPARED”…
The Lord God… DOES NOT Tarry, Put off, Linger….

The Lord God… Immediately VERIFIES… your “Preparedness”…
AND “Immediately” Fulfills His PROMISE…
ONCE and FOREVER!

Nothing whatsoever CAN Break, Revoke, Undo The BOND, SEAL, Delivered AND Kept unto You, From the Supreme POWER of the Lord God Almighty

Praise, Worship, Bless, Thank…the Mighty Lord God, For His Love and Great Offering and Grace, That He IS Faithful and True.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[FaithWillDo]

Yes, all things were created by Jesus THIS means Jesus wasn't created.

The Holy Spirit is also God...the 3rd mentioned in the trinity. The Holy Spirit can be seen in Gen 1:2.
The Holy Spirit was part of the "us" and "our"

Paul taught the Holy Spirit was God in Acts 5:1-6. John presented Jesus as God in John 1.
There are other verses that show a trinity of the Godhead...but are too numerous to post in this reply.

That is just a claim by you...can you prove that statement to be true?

Dear CrowCross,
You said:
Yes, all things were created by Jesus THIS means Jesus wasn't created.

I don't understand your reasoning. Christ is mankind's Creator but how does that mean He wasn't created Himself? You are adding to scripture things that it does not say. We know that Christ is the SON of God and we know that sons are born at some point. We also know that He was born prior to Gen 1:1.

John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Mankind will also be the sons of God, and like all sons, they have a beginning point.

1John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore, the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Even after the ages come to an end, Christ will still be of lesser authority than His Father and will "be subject unto Him that put all things under Him".

1Cor 15:27 27 For he (Christ) hath put all things under his feet. But when he (Christ) saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he (God the Father) is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him (Christ), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (God the Father) that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

You said:
The Holy Spirit is also God...the 3rd mentioned in the trinity. The Holy Spirit can be seen in Gen 1:2.

There are not any scriptures which say the Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit is God the Father's Spirit which He shares with Christ and who, in turn, shares with mankind upon each person's conversion. It is in this way that God the Father is "all in all".

If the Holy Spirit is God and a equal member of a trinity, why isn't the Holy Spirit mentioned along with Christ and the Father in scripture?

1Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Eph 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

2Thes 1:2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

You said:
Paul taught the Holy Spirit was God in Acts 5:1-6. John presented Jesus as God in John 1.

I read Acts 5:1-6 and Paul did not teach that the Holy Spirit is God.

John correctly stated in John 1 that Jesus is God. That is true. Jesus is mankind's God because His Father made Jesus to be mankind's God. You are ignoring that scripture also says that Jesus has a God and that His God is God the Father.

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, ...

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory...

2Cor 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ...

You said:
There are other verses that show a trinity of the Godhead...but are too numerous to post in this reply.

There are? I have never found even one verse that presents God as a trinity. Since you believe that there are so many, please show me two of them? And don't present Mat 28:19 - it is a corrupted verse. And don't show me 1John 5:7. It is not scripture and is not found in any manuscript prior to the year 1500.

Joe

 

[RandyDawson]

You think God causes mankind to sin?

No, I'm not a calvinist.

God is holding mankind accountable for their sins and will be judging those who claim to be Christian who are still walking in sin and those people will be removed from His Kingdom.

 

[RandyDawson]

Nothing whatsoever CAN Break, Revoke, Undo The BOND, SEAL, Delivered AND Kept unto You, From the Supreme POWER of the Lord God Almighty

So we can relax and go back to living in sin then right?
We'll still be saved if we do so it's all good?

Jesus said workers of iniquity will be removed from His Kingdom so did He get it wrong?

Matthew 13:41,42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

How did these people even get in to God's Kingdom and need to be removed?

They got born again is how. Translated from darkness in to the Kingdom of God's Dear Son. Colossians 1:13-20
But they either backslid and went back to walking in iniquity or they never stopped walking in iniquity

Either way, people need to listen to Jesus' warning in Matthew 13:41,42
2 Timothy 2:12 - if we deny Him, He will also deny us

 

[Kayla McCanny]

So we can relax and go back to living in sin then right?
We'll still be saved if we do so it's all good?

Jesus said workers of iniquity will be removed from His Kingdom so did He get it wrong?

Matthew 13:41,42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

How did these people even get in to God's Kingdom and need to be removed?

They got born again is how. Translated from darkness in to the Kingdom of God's Dear Son. Colossians 1:13-20
But they either backslid and went back to walking in iniquity or they never stopped walking in iniquity

Either way, people need to listen to Jesus' warning in Matthew 13:41,42
2 Timothy 2:12 - if we deny Him, He will also deny us

I don't want to deny God I just want the demont to be silenced and leave. I'm a Christian. Why is the demon torturing me. Does God get angry when someone or something harass his child. Why would God allow it? I wonder where I went wrong. I need deliverance. A child of God shouldn't be afraid of going to hell. Am I still God's? He didn't damn me. Please pray God rewrites life that the demon van nolonger speak to me. He tries to posses my soul. He tells me lies to confuse me. That God damned me. I just want freedom from it. That it goes away permently. How would you feel if you were me? How does God feel about me? How does he feel about the demon harassing me? Lying to me over snd over again. That I'm a hopeless cause. I hope this is a test and I paced because other Christians don't have a demon tormenting them. And don't want then to either. It's hell. If God is a good God wouldn't he put a stop to it and answer my prayers that God confirms my will towards his. I'm a mess. If God is good why this? Why this way and me? I have stood firm with all that I can asking God to make the demon stop and to silence him. I also have blepharospasm which causes my eyelids to shut and I try to force then open. I'm on medication for that, but my psychotic medication is working against me. I've been trying to find a solution with my psychtrist. And don't anyone say Christians are all skitzaphtenics because one it is rare two God normally doesn't speak audibly although I wish and pray he would because he said my sheep hear My voice and all I hear is this demon. Third Christians seek deliverance and get delivered and that is what I want for my life, but it's not happening. I'm trying my best. I don't know what to do. I pray God grant me sleep and mercy that he silences him. My heart cries out and I am exhausted and it says it will never go away. Please agree with me in prayer that it goes away for good and that God will move on my behalf because the demon wants to finish me off abd I claim Jeremiah 29;11-15 on my life and I do constantly. I don't want to be suicidal I rebuke it and bind it in Jesus name. I command the angels to bind him. I don't know why it won't go away, but please Agree with me in prayer that it does permently thank u

 

[RandyDawson]

I just want the demons to be silenced and leave.

Cast them out using the Mighty Name of Jesus and stop allowing them to have place in your life and stop agreeing with them.

In Mark 4 Jesus talks of the things the devil uses to try and choke God's Word out of believers and He said if these things are allowed to enter in, they will choke God's Word.

I'm a Christian. Why is the demon torturing me.

He's trying to get you to stop walking after the leading of the Holy Spirit, acting on God's promises.

The power is in God's Word. God upholds all things by the word of His power (Hebrews 1:3, Jeremiah 1:12)
That's what the enemy is trying to separate people from is God's Word to get them to stop abiding in Christ and instead go back to walking after the flesh which is to walk in the devil's territory - the world.

James 1:22
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

Why would God allow it?

He's not allow it. The people are by not abiding in Christ.

All the devil has the ability to do is what he did in the Garden of Eden which is to suggest alternatives to God's Word.
Don't take the bait and instead stand on God's Word and act on it.

The devil roams around as a roaring lion seeking who he MAY devour. - 1 Peter 5:8
Don't let him in and instead be sober and be vigilant not allowing his lies to enter in and cause you to believe what the devil is saying instead of standing on God's Word believing and acting on what He says.

He tells me lies to confuse me.

Well then stop listening to him.

I don't want to be suicidal

Choose to not be settle it forever that you are not.

 

[Kayla McCanny]

Cast them out using the Mighty Name of Jesus and stop allowing them to have place in your life and stop agreeing with them.

In Mark 4 Jesus talks of the things the devil uses to try and choke God's Word out of believers and He said if these things are allowed to enter in, they will choke God's Word.





He's trying to get you to stop walking after the leading of the Holy Spirit, acting on God's promises.

The power is in God's Word. God upholds all things by the word of His power (Hebrews 1:3, Jeremiah 1:12)
That's what the enemy is trying to separate people from is God's Word to get them to stop abiding in Christ and instead go back to walking after the flesh which is to walk in the devil's territory - the world.

James 1:22
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.





He's not allow it. The people are by not abiding in Christ.

All the devil has the ability to do is what he did in the Garden of Eden which is to suggest alternatives to God's Word.
Don't take the bait and instead stand on God's Word and act on it.

The devil roams around as a roaring lion seeking who he MAY devour. - 1 Peter 5:8
Don't let him in and instead be sober and be vigilant not allowing his lies to enter in and cause you to believe what the devil is saying instead of standing on God's Word believing and acting on what He says.





Well then stop listening to him.





Choose to not be settle it forever that you are not.

I hear him. I don't obey him. He just tortures me. I tried not listening. I ask Hod to teach me how to fight against it. Please agree with me in prayer. Thanks

 

[Taken]

So we can relax and go back to living in sin then right?

Living in Sin, is Living Without Gods Spirit IN You…

So you think … once Gods Spirit IS IN YOU…
That’s The Signal …
You can Continue to Not Believe (SIN) against God?

Disturbing!

 

[RandyDawson]

I hear him. I don't obey him. He just tortures me.

Why don't you turn the tables and start torturing him instead?
How do you ask?

God read what Jesus did to the devil when he came and tried to tempt Jesus to sin.
And do what Jesus did. Follow the example Jesus gave us to follow.

God's Word is the Sword of the Spirit and it is us speaking God's promises out of our mouth in faith.
You may need to do this again and again which is not speaking in repetition to the Lord, not this is taking God's promises and beating the devil over the head with them by speaking them out loud. the demons cannot stand to hear that and will leave.

They'll eventually come back around to see if you are strong enough to resist them or not and do it all over again - speak God's promises out loud while telling the devil "I cast you out in the Name of Jesus - get out!"