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not Eastern thinking but like "satan's way of arguing," that you might find by searching "dialectic" onsite. Personally i think they are just denials of Eastern thought by lovers of logic
actually i guess they are both the same thing, and it is the intent that matters. Dialecticism may also be used to deceive
 

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I agree!
And you're looking for a truth?
JESUS IS the TRUTH!
If one just follows HIM and DOES what HE said, you will be following truth.

It's kind of like reading a book about your girlfriend or wife.
Better to hang out with the gf or wife than to read the book about her!
Don't listen to bbyrd. He is lying to you.

The Bible is the WRITTEN Word of God. Jesus is the Word made flesh (John 1:14).
The Bible is absolutely essential for us as Christians and not simply a book "about" God.

To know the Word is to know Christ.
That's why St. Jerome said:
"Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ."

Bbyrd espouses a lot of heresy that will lead you astray.
 

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Don't listen to bbyrd. He is lying to you.

The Bible is the WRITTEN Word of God. Jesus is the Word made flesh (John 1:14).
The Bible is absolutely essential for us as Christians and not simply a book "about" God.

To know the Word is to know Christ.
That's why St. Jerome said:
"Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ."

Bbyrd espouses a lot of heresy that will lead you astray.
Pretty funny BoL

You think someone could lead me astray???
LOL

Both of you are correct.
The bible is the written word of God.
Jesus is the word made flesh.
John 1:1

Jesus is Rhema.
 
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And many can quote teh bible backwards and still dont know Christ, Ie ignorant. We judge them by there fruit.
YOU quote it more than anybody on this forum and you don't understand it.
Interesting that you constantly quote the Catholic Canon of Scripture, though . . .
 
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Pretty funny BoL

You think someone could lead me astray???
LOL

Both of you are correct.
The bible is the written word of God.
Jesus is the word made flesh.
John 1:1

Jesus is Rhema.
I don't know you well enough to know whether or not your could be led astray.
Your words are encouraging, though.

As for bbryd - he doesn't believe that Jesus is the Word made flesh.
He separates the Scriptures from Jesus and says that one is not the other.

Jesus is the Word of God.
 

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I don't know you well enough to know whether or not your could be led astray.
Your words are encouraging, though.

As for bbryd - he doesn't believe that Jesus is the Word made flesh.
He separates the Scriptures from Jesus and says that one is not the other.

Jesus is the Word of God.
I find several on this board that separate Jesus from the scriptures.
I find some here that like to say they have the Holy Spirit and do not need the scriptures.
I hear some here say that I'm somehow less than they are because I have knowledge and read the "book".

Know me well enough.
I've taught in the Catholic Church.
I know their doctrine well.
I used to teach from the CCC and the bible. I don't care for the CCC, BTW, except for the first 100 or so paragraphs which should be read by ALL Christians.

bb speaks in riddles so he doesn't have to engagé anyone in a serious conversation.
In fact, I haven't found ANYONE here who is willing to engagé in serious conversation.
So, I don't know how you've lasted here...
 

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I like this explanation.
Hi RT,

One does not have to be unmarried or be celibate to be a priest. There are some married Catholic priest, with children, so that is one SMALL thing the video got wrong.

Furthermore it appears the process of picking Bishops, Cardinals and The Pope is a little more thourough today then what the Apostles did to replace Judas in Acts 1:23-26. If one can criticize the current Church for the way they do it now then we can surely criticize the Apostles for "casting lots" back then. I guarantee you if the Catholic Church cast lots today, they would be criticized. :)

I am not suggesting you are criticizing the RCC by submitting the video. I am making a comment in general about the video.

Love, Mary
 
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@Marymog

One DOES have to be unmarried to be a priest.

Do you know why some priests are married?
Because they were of a different denomination, for instance most were Anglicans who came back to the Catholic Church.

Some with families were NOT accepted back, and some with families were.
It depends on the Pope. With the participation and recommendation of the Bishop.

I'll go one step further.
If a Deacon is unmarried when becoming a Deacon,(ordination) he cannot get married.
If he is married and his wife dies, he cannot get remarried.
 
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@Marymog
One DOES have to be unmarried to be a priest.
Do you know why some priests are married?
Because they were of a different denomination, for instance most were Anglicans who came back to the Catholic Church.
Some with families were NOT accepted back, and some with families were.
It depends on the Pope. With the participation and recommendation of the Bishop.
I'll go one step further.
If a Deacon is unmarried when becoming a Deacon,(ordination) he cannot get married.
If he is married and his wife dies, he cannot get remarried.
Hi,

You have me a bit confused. You say one DOES have to be unmarried to be a priest. Then you ask the question: Do you know why some priests are married? Those are opposite statements.

I think what we are agreeing to is that if you are an unmarried Catholic man you can't get married and THEN become a priest. But a married man who converts from another denomination, with most of them being Anglicans, can become a priest.

Mary
 
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I find several on this board that separate Jesus from the scriptures.
I find some here that like to say they have the Holy Spirit and do not need the scriptures.
I hear some here say that I'm somehow less than they are because I have knowledge and read the "book".

Know me well enough.
I've taught in the Catholic Church.
I know their doctrine well.
I used to teach from the CCC and the bible. I don't care for the CCC, BTW, except for the first 100 or so paragraphs which should be read by ALL Christians.

bb speaks in riddles so he doesn't have to engagé anyone in a serious conversation.
In fact, I haven't found ANYONE here who is willing to engagé in serious conversation.
So, I don't know how you've lasted here...

Really? I thought we've had a few decent conversations
 

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Hi,

You have me a bit confused. You say one DOES have to be unmarried to be a priest. Then you ask the question: Do you know why some priests are married? Those are opposite statements.

I think what we are agreeing to is that if you are an unmarried Catholic man you can't get married and THEN become a priest. But a married man who converts from another denomination, with most of them being Anglicans, can become a priest.

Mary

True in some cases. The minister usually has to be part of a church that has Holy Orders before converting before he can become a catholic priest or a married priest
 

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Are Catholics commanded to venerate the Virgin Mary?
 

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YOU quote it more than anybody on this forum and you don't understand it.
Interesting that you constantly quote the Catholic Canon of Scripture, though . . .
Do you suppose that God had no control over what was or was not to be included in scripture? The question then is, if we know what scripture is [66 books or 72 books or some other number of books] what are we to do with what we have? Many atheist own Bibles, but they seem to miss the way with what they possess. Likely this is so with both many Catholics and many non-Catholics who claim to be followers of Christ.

Anyone who is following the Truth is heading in the right direction, but along with Pontius Pilate, many will ask, "What is truth"? And like Pilate will not really know the answer. But we know the simple answer and yet we argue here instead of moving on toward Him.

The answer, of course, is: Jesus. That is, Jesus is Truth. So why when we agree with this do we still argue?
 

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I don't know you well enough to know whether or not your could be led astray.
Your words are encouraging, though.

As for bbryd - he doesn't believe that Jesus is the Word made flesh.
He separates the Scriptures from Jesus and says that one is not the other.

Jesus is the Word of God.
Were you listening carefully to him @bbyrd009 ? I believe he was saying that Jesus was not the unread pages of a book, not even the pages of the Bible. He likely would agree that Jesus is the Word, but he would not agree that Jesus is the unquickened scriptures. The unquickened scriptures are like Jesus dead on the cross and not yet resurrected. That is the same as the Bible in our homes never opened or read by anyone: dead. But, the Word of God is alive.

Jesus said. "... I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6

He does not say through the Bible. He says "through me". Without the Holy Spirit, the Bible is dead.
 

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Do you suppose that God had no control over what was or was not to be included in scripture? The question then is, if we know what scripture is [66 books or 72 books or some other number of books] what are we to do with what we have? Many atheist own Bibles, but they seem to miss the way with what they possess. Likely this is so with both many Catholics and many non-Catholics who claim to be followers of Christ.

Anyone who is following the Truth is heading in the right direction, but along with Pontius Pilate, many will ask, "What is truth"? And like Pilate will not really know the answer. But we know the simple answer and yet we argue here instead of moving on toward Him.

The answer, of course, is: Jesus. That is, Jesus is Truth. So why when we agree with this do we still argue?
Because it's a matter of Authority.
Jesus gave Authority to His Church - that the Holy Spirit would lead it to ALL truth.
He promised that whatever it ordained on earth would also be ordained in Heaven.

The question of the Canon of Scripture is extremely important because although God is the ultimate Author and controls the Canon - He used His Church to compile and declare that Canon to the world. The Canon of Scripture didn't simply fall from the sky - and it wasn't revealed to every individual through private revelation. It was declared publicly by His instrument - His Body.

So, my question to you and every other Protestant is - if you reject the Catholic Church - why do you accept the Canon of Scripture that was compiled and declared by that Church?
 

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Were you listening carefully to him @bbyrd009 ? I believe he was saying that Jesus was not the unread pages of a book, not even the pages of the Bible. He likely would agree that Jesus is the Word, but he would not agree that Jesus is the unquickened scriptures. The unquickened scriptures are like Jesus dead on the cross and not yet resurrected. That is the same as the Bible in our homes never opened or read by anyone: dead. But, the Word of God is alive.

Jesus said. "... I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6

He does not say through the Bible. He says "through me". Without the Holy Spirit, the Bible is dead.
I agree that the Bible does NOT encompass the entire Word of God - although most Protestants do. However, in saying that Jesus is not the Word, as bbyrd claims, is a vague and misleading statement if he means something else.

Of course Jesus isn't paper and ink - but that's not what bbyrd has said in his remarks.
He says over and over that Jesus is not the "Word."
 

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Are Catholics commanded to venerate the Virgin Mary?
No - we're not commanded to venerate anybody. The only one we are "commanded" to venerate or worship is God - by God Himself. We venerate Mary because she is the Mother of Christ and our spiritual Mother.

The Jews venerated the Ark of the Covenant.
Catholics venerate the Ark of the New Covenant, Mary.
 

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Because it's a matter of Authority.
Jesus gave Authority to His Church - that the Holy Spirit would lead it to ALL truth.

Without the Holy Spirit what individual, be he Catholic or Protestant or Other, could ever approach more closely to God?
Since we differ on what we understand His Church to be our understanding of necessity is different. Is one of us right or wrong? God is right and when He looks at the individual heart He decides where the individual stands with Him. This is without regard to any church affiliation or lack thereof.


He promised that whatever it ordained on earth would also be ordained in Heaven.

Where is earth other than in the heart of each one called a man? Where should heaven be to please God other that within the heart of each one called a man? Methinks you are looking in the wrong place, but don't worry about it. God always knows where to look in each of us.

The question of the Canon of Scripture is extremely important because although God is the ultimate Author and controls the Canon - He used His Church to compile and declare that Canon to the world. The Canon of Scripture didn't simply fall from the sky - and it wasn't revealed to every individual through private revelation. It was declared publicly by His instrument - His Body.

No the Canon is not important. What God writes in the heart of a believer is what is important to that believer. That is what will make him more and more like Jesus as he grows. If we eat His flesh and the Holy Spirit brings it to Life within us that is important. What is written in a book, even the Bible is not important at all if no one ever consumes [reads or hears] it and even if he does consume it, it is still not important if it is never quickened in him by the Holy Spirit.

So, my question to you and every other Protestant is - if you reject the Catholic Church - why do you accept the Canon of Scripture that was compiled and declared by that Church?

My friend, I am no Protestant, not in the sense in which you use the word. I was not even born to my natural mother when Martin Luther and others protested and finally separated from the RCC.

God has always had the truth available to anyone who was really hungry and thirsty for His righteousness:

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

Do you suppose that God was limited in His ability to fulfill the promise of that verse because a person could not read or did not have a book from which to read it? Why would you so limit God?

The Bible is a good resource, but without the Holy Spirit, what advantage does it have over a good set of encyclopedias and a dictionary?


If the Bible is important to anyone, the credit for it does not belongs to any man, but God who inspired its writing and preserved it for those who would have access to it and use it according to His Will rather than their own
 

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I agree that the Bible does NOT encompass the entire Word of God - although most Protestants do. However, in saying that Jesus is not the Word, as bbyrd claims, is a vague and misleading statement if he means something else.

Of course Jesus isn't paper and ink - but that's not what bbyrd has said in his remarks.
He says over and over that Jesus is not the "Word."
So let us wait then on our friend, @bbyrd009 and allow him to clarify his own position.