WHAT Is the Trinity?

[101G]

One must have mortality first to be immortal. God the Father is not immortal. He has always been and always will be. God the Son, Jesus Christ however, did put on mortality. And He alone hath immortality, and gives immortality.

LOL, stranger 2nd mistake, "One must have mortality first to be immortal". this is the biggest Lie i have ever heard. immortal: living forever; never dying or decaying. mortality: the state of being subject to death. Stranger said "One must have mortality first to be immortal". question Stranger when was God the Father mortal?. I'll be waiting for that answer.

 

[101G]

God has immortality.
God is the Head of the Trinity.
Jesus and the Holy Spirit also have immortality because they are OF God Father, the GodHEAD.

Will be posting on this now.
But first,
what does GINOLJC mean?
Glory.....Lord Jesus Christ ??

God is the Head of the Trinity? don't be foolish GG, God is not the question here. the trinity said there are THREE PERSON in it called GOD. see GG, I'm after the the so called "persons" in it :). stranger said God the Father is not IMMORTAL do you agree... (smile). I'll be waiting for that answer. now if you say yes then you and stranger are in contradiction to each other and one is not correct. but if you say no, that the father is NOT IMMORTAL, just remember the definitions of IMMORTAL, and MORTAL ;).

last, you asked, "what does GINOLJC mean?". it's a greeting acronym. Greeting In the Name Of the Lord Jesus Christ. years ago when I first came on a christian board, no one ever Greeted one another. there was no Christian manners on any board, as I have notice here also. so I decided when I come on a board each day I make sure I Greeted every one. it just simply good christian manners. the bible say, 2 Corinthians 13:12 "Greet one another with an holy kiss". since i'm not in present, but in spirit I can at least show my manners by greeting one another.

be blessed

 

[bbyrd009]

I'll be waiting for that answer.

he has already given it, and his position there is pretty sound imo. Zeus the "immortal" has an origin story, whereas God does not, as a for instance.

 

[101G]

he has already given it, and his position there is pretty sound imo. Zeus the "immortal" has an origin story, whereas God does not, as a for instance.

well then he lied.

 

[Stranger]

by your own word you did destroy you trinity doctrine. "God the Father is not immortal". well you just did.

God the Father not being immortal does not destroy the Trinity doctrine. It makes distinction between God the Father who is eternal but never was mortal, and God the Son who became mortal, but is now immortal.

In other words, your claim that only the Son is immortal does not mean that God the Father is not eternal, and that He isn't a separate Person of the Godhead.

Stranger

 

[101G]

God the Father not being immortal does not destroy the Trinity doctrine. It makes distinction between God the Father who is eternal but never was mortal, and God the Son who became mortal, but is now immortal.

In other words, your claim that only the Son is immortal does not mean that God the Father is not eternal, and that He isn't a separate Person of the Godhead.

Stranger

first stranger, eternal is IMMORTAL, look up eternal and you will see. so you ERROR. now explain the difference between "Eternal" and "Immortal". I'll be waiting for that explanation

 

[Stranger]

LOL, stranger 2nd mistake, "One must have mortality first to be immortal". this is the biggest Lie i have ever heard. immortal: living forever; never dying or decaying. mortality: the state of being subject to death. Stranger said "One must have mortality first to be immortal". question Stranger when was God the Father mortal?. I'll be waiting for that answer.

God the Father was never mortal. I thought I made myself clear with that already. Scripture speakes of immortality to those who are first mortal. It speaks to those with a human body. God the Father is not immortal. Neither is God the Holy Spirit. But God the Son is.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

first stranger, eternal is IMMORTAL, look up eternal and you will see. so you ERROR. now explain the difference between "Eternal" and "Immortal". I'll be waiting for that explanation

Look above.

Stranger

 

[101G]

God the Father was never mortal. I thought I made myself clear with that already. Scripture speakes of immortality to those who are first mortal. It speaks to those with a human body. God the Father is not immortal. Neither is God the Holy Spirit. But God the Son is.

Stranger

did you not say, "God the Father is not immortal", see your Post #265.

 

[101G]

One must have mortality first to be immortal. God the Father is not immortal. He has always been and always will be. God the Son, Jesus Christ however, did put on mortality. And He alone hath immortality, and gives immortality.

So, the Trinity doctrine has not been destroyed.

Stranger

I have your post

 

[Stranger]

I have your post

What is your problem? Because God the Father is not or never was mortal, then He is not and cannot be immortal. So what?

Stranger

 

[101G]

Stranger, stranger, quit that, ignorance is no excuse, you said, "God the Father is not immortal"
maybe these definitions might help.

Mortality: the state of being subject to death.

Immortal: living forever; never dying or decaying

Eternal:lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.
synonyms:everlasting, never-ending, endless, perpetual, undying, immortal, abiding, permanent, enduring, infinite, boundless, timeless; amaranthine

 

[101G]

Just some edification: the trinity doctrine is polytheistic in nature, meaning, it's modalism in reverse. by having several person acting as one is a false assumption. please take a close look at your doctrine.

 

[Helen]

BG, I hope you don't mind me calling you BG. let's take this a little bit further. another poster.
breathofdesire said: in the topic "Satan - who was he in the book of Job?" he said this.
"God didn't bruise anyone but himself, what no one could do he himself did.
The son was just his earthly body, but his spirit was God himself.
It was God hanging up on that cross". I Love this, listen to what he said, "what no one could do he himself did". WOW, that was a brilliant deduction of the TRUTH, (a Peter Moment, he got that from God). yes, God bruise himself. scripture, Isaiah 53:4 & 5 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed". now the QUESTION,"who was this that was bruise?" answer the "ARM" of the LORD right. let's go up a few scriptures and see, scripture, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him". now we know that the Lord Jesus is the ARM of God right. one more. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me". this is exactly what breathofdesire said about no one could do it but God. listen, "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me". yes, he did it himself. remember this, (because it reveals who sits on the throne and stand at the samr time in Revelation Chapter 5).

Ok BG, the LORD, GOD, said his "OWN" ARM. STOP, and think for a moment, is your ARM a separate entity, or PERSON from you? of course not. is not your ARM is YOU, just like your head eyes and ears and so forth. one other thing. if YOUR hand picked up a penny from off the floor, who, I say, WHO picked up the penny you or YOU ARM. of course YOU, you will say I picked up the Penny. for YOUR, YOUR arm is you. not some separate PERSON or thing acting on it own. are you getting this now?

revelation Time: the Lord Jesus is the RIGHT ARM of God meaning God's "POWER". in the Greek G1411, dunamis. by coming in flesh he's the "objective", or the "concrete" present of the LORD, God, almighty in flesh, right. being the ARM of God, it is God who is doing the "WORK" or his ARM. remember it's you who is picking the penny up off the floor... (smile). began to see it now?. so that flesh, that man is God hanging on the cross, it is "I" as he said in Isaiah who do speak. scripture, Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I". let's see who speak. John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins". now who is the "I am he" here in the OT and the NT?.....:cool:

I'm going to stop here and let you digest this , and afterward we will clearly show How the Lord Jesus is the ARM of God in "FLESH". remember , 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God". in creation he the LORD JESUS is the "WISDOM", the mind (subjectively) of God. but in the NT taking on flesh (objectively) we will see how he' s the "POWER" of God "IN FLESH".

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No problem, ByGrace is a mouthful...BG is just fine... :)

I read your post another couple of times. I totally agree point by point.

My only question now is..as we agree on all that...what was it in my post #233 that made you feel I would disagree with your understanding?
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GodsGrace said :-
"Jesus sweat blood in the Garden.
He was afraid.
He asked the Father to remove this cup from Him.

As far as the ministry being completed...
Jesus left Jerusalem about half way through His ministry because the Phaisees and Saducees were so upset with Him and he feared for His Ministry."
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I did not agree with her, so I wrote back my post below.

quote- "It says clearly- " Whatsoever is not of Faith, is sin."
He had total faith in His Father...Jesus was sinless, therefore He did not fear.

He agonized in the garden because He knew what was before Him, and what He would have to go through. " I believe" (so this is just me talking...) that at that time in the Garden He knew that for probably the first time in His life, The divine anointing would lift from Him...the powerful presence of God would be withdrawn from Him, ...and He probably He felt alone and powerless ....knowing He would go through the cruel death that was ahead of Him as a Man, a sinless man, but as a man. He had to take that Victory Alone.
No fear at all, but sure a great reluctance of the unknown......and the thing that kept Him going at that time we are told Hebrews 12:1-3
"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the JOY that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds."
Well as I read the scriptures, that is what I see there. :)
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So, where did you not agree with what I wrote? :)
Or do you believe that The Arm of The Lord was afraid?

Bless you...Helen.

 

[Stranger]

Stranger, stranger, quit that, ignorance is no excuse, you said, "God the Father is not immortal"
maybe these definitions might help.

Mortality: the state of being subject to death.

Immortal: living forever; never dying or decaying

Eternal:lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.
synonyms:everlasting, never-ending, endless, perpetual, undying, immortal, abiding, permanent, enduring, infinite, boundless, timeless; amaranthine

Big difference between 'immortal' and 'eternal'. Your definition, wherever it came from, says eternal means 'without end or beginning'. But that isn't what it says about 'immortal'.

And, as I said before, Scripture speaks of only those who are mortal as receiving any immortality. You have to have a body.

That God the Father is eternal doesn't make Him mortal. God the Son did become mortal and so is now 'immortal'.

Stranger

 

[Helen]

I consider that this is a brief, biblical summary of the Trinity:

(image courtesy Christianity 201)

This is taken from my article, Is the Trinity taught in the Bible?

Oz

Works consulted

Grudem, W 1999. Bible doctrine: Essential teachings of the Christian faith. J Purswell (ed). Leister, England: Inter-Varsity Press (published by arrangement with Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan).

Thiessen, H C 1949. Introductory lectures in systematic theology. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.

Well it may be there in black and white, blue and red too...
But I can't buy that, any more than you like my quote on Josephus LOL

I DO think that this "trinity thing" cannot chop God up into three bits like it does. They guy I posted above how was the one who "made this religious law" ...fine for him...but I am not buying what he was selling. What makes his revelation any better than Jack down the street...
The Son IS The Father...The Spirit IS the Spirit of the Father...I can't say that my spirit is "not me"!! That makes no sense to me. Maybe it does to you?

The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are ONE..not three people pretending to be one and think alike.
I am Body, Soul and Spirit...ALL are " me"...different functions, but ALL me.
So my vote is a thumbs down to the above circles .To say that the Son is not the Father, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father...is like saying my voice is not mine..it is still me speaking!!
Anyway..each to their own...no sweat :)

 

[GodsGrace]

God is the Head of the Trinity? don't be foolish GG, God is not the question here. the trinity said there are THREE PERSON in it called GOD. see GG, I'm after the the so called "persons" in it :). stranger said God the Father is not IMMORTAL do you agree... (smile). I'll be waiting for that answer. now if you say yes then you and stranger are in contradiction to each other and one is not correct. but if you say no, that the father is NOT IMMORTAL, just remember the definitions of IMMORTAL, and MORTAL ;).

last, you asked, "what does GINOLJC mean?". it's a greeting acronym. Greeting In the Name Of the Lord Jesus Christ. years ago when I first came on a christian board, no one ever Greeted one another. there was no Christian manners on any board, as I have notice here also. so I decided when I come on a board each day I make sure I Greeted every one. it just simply good christian manners. the bible say, 2 Corinthians 13:12 "Greet one another with an holy kiss". since i'm not in present, but in spirit I can at least show my manners by greeting one another.

be blessed

You know how you Always say LOL??
I'm L'gOL right now.

You speak of Christian manners and yet you LAUGH at things I say!
That is not very courteous of you.

As far as God being immortal, I understand what @Stranger means.
It's not very easy to speak about spiritual matters. We SHOULD make an EFFORT to understand each other.

You'll see a movie where someone becomes immortal. Like Highlander.
What Stranger means, I believe, is that God is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from any understanding we could have.

He was NEVER BORN to become immortal.
He Always was and Always will be.
He's immortal in the sense that He will never die, but it goes BEYOND that.

I find no problem with his way of thinking. We must each come to understand GOD in our own terms since we know very little of Him except what He wants us to know and what JESUS revealed about Him.

If YOU understand God's immortality, I do wish you'd explain it to the rest of us.
His having NO BEGINNING and NO END.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well it may be there in black and white, blue and red too...
But I can't buy that, any more than you like my quote on Josephus LOL

I DO think that this "trinity thing" cannot chop God up into three bits like it does. They guy I posted above how was the one who "made this religious law" ...fine for him...but I am not buying what he was selling. What makes his revelation any better than Jack down the street...
The Son IS The Father...The Spirit IS the Spirit of the Father...I can't say that my spirit is "not me"!! That makes no sense to me. Maybe it does to you?

The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are ONE..not three people pretending to be one and think alike.
I am Body, Soul and Spirit...ALL are " me"...different functions, but ALL me.
So my vote is a thumbs down to the above circles .To say that the Son is not the Father, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father...is like saying my voice is not mine..it is still me speaking!!
Anyway..each to their own...no sweat :)

So...
Are you saying it was God the Father on the cross?
Or was it the Holy Spirit, which Jesus had not sent down yet?
Or was it Jesus, the Word of God become flesh that was on the cross?

 

[101G]

Big difference between 'immortal' and 'eternal'. Your definition, wherever it came from, says eternal means 'without end or beginning'. But that isn't what it says about 'immortal'.

And, as I said before, Scripture speaks of only those who are mortal as receiving any immortality. You have to have a body.

That God the Father is eternal doesn't make Him mortal. God the Son did become mortal and so is now 'immortal'.

Stranger

LOL, I must be dreaming, you said, "Big difference between 'immortal' and 'eternal'. Your definition, wherever it came from, says eternal means 'without end or beginning'. But that isn't what it says about 'immortal'.

First the dictionary, and then the bible. Dictionary. com. Eternal: without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing (opposed to temporal )

Immortal: 1. not mortal; not liable or subject to death. 2. not liable to perish or decay; imperishable; everlasting. 3. perpetual; lasting; constant.

Now that we have these definition let’s look at everlasting.
Everlasting: 1. lasting forever; eternal: DO WE NEED TO GO ANY FURTHER? Immortal is eternal.

now, Webster Dictionary a. having infinite duration :everlasting. B. continued without intermission erpetual example: an eternal flame.

now the BIBLE. according to 1 Timothy 6:16, the Lord Jesus is "immortal", scripture, Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever". see that "for ever? according to webster dictionary FOR ever means, for a limitless time. do you know what LIMITLESS means? without end. if you don't trust your dictionary, just google limitless.

that's lie #2. don't let it be a third.

 

[101G]

You know how you Always say LOL??
I'm L'gOL right now.

You speak of Christian manners and yet you LAUGH at things I say!
That is not very courteous of you.

GG, I'm laughing at your ignorance in the word of God.

As far as God being immortal, I understand what @Stranger means.
It's not very easy to speak about spiritual matters. We SHOULD make an EFFORT to understand each other.

did you really read what he said?. I suggest you look at what he wrote very carefully.

ps. can not 101G have some fun?, scripture, 2 Corinthians 11:1 & 2 "Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ". do you understand my laughter/folly now.