Salvation loss. Is it possible?

[amadeus]

Averting ones eyes from the truth doesn't make it go away.

o

But, to avert one's eye means that the person has seen truth and now refuses to accept it.

Another person's vision is scarcely ever along the Highway of Holiness precisely the same as our own. This does not mean that both may not be pleasing to God. God is looking more at the heart than at the distance traveled or the landmarks behind us.

 

[GodsGrace]

No God doesn't take away our free will. We still have it. But you must understand is that we don't maintain our own salvation. Just like how we can't earn salvation. It's the gift of God. We cannot work to maintain it. So even if we use our free will to do whatever, it's God that keeps us saved, not ourselves.

1 Peter 1:5 (KJV) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:5
We are kept by the power of God THROUGH FAITH.
If God doesn't take away our free will, that means I could decide to stop believing in Him Tomorrow. Don't know why anyone would want to, but it is possible.

So you say that we use our free will "to do whatever" God still keeps us saved.
What do you mean by "whatever"?

Also, I do believe that we could not earn our salvation,
but we do have a part in keeping it.
We must follow the commands Jesus left us if we are to ABIDE in Him.
And we must abide in Him to be saved.

 

[Helen]

@"ByGrace" You must stand where your beliefs are and change them when He helps you to change them in you, but more important than our individual beliefs as the scripture makes clear is LOVE or CHARITY as per I Corinthians chapter 13. If we really have that charity and we are really becoming what Jesus describes in the Beatitudes, will God condemn us? I would think not.

Helen as you say here and as I agree the Love is the most important thing. On the other things while we have time left here, we need to continue to pursue them and God may change us on this point or on that one, but the Love/Charity will make us ready at any point in our time up until our last moment to meet the Master and receive His words:

"Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord." Matt 25:21

AGREE, totally with you on that John.
If we pursue and seek first the Kingdom ...we live trusting our Father ...Abiding in Him...and having faith and- "Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in us will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.."

I feel a glory shout coming on!! Yay God!!!

God bless....

 

[GodsGrace]

Come, come...Have you never read the story Jesus told of what we call " The Prodigal Son" ( I prefer to call it "The Waiting Father!!" )

The son was still a son...a stinking son, a wayward son, a 'lost' son, for a while...but, he was STILL "a son', nothing could ever changed that!!!

As son is a son is a son...

BG,
A son is not Always a son.
The Prodigal son left his father.
Here is a post from another thread. (there must be two salvation threads...)

Luke 15:24
The son became DEAD after he left his father.
The father had given him his inheritance and he was to receive no more.

The father says that the son WAD DEAD and had come to life AGAIN.

This means the son was
alive
dead
alive again

When one LEAVES the Father and Jesus who is the vine that gives us life,
he becomes DEAD.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes someone can stop believing and still be saved. Salvation is one time. Once for all.

2 Timothy 2:13 (KJV) If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Are you on two different salvation threads?
I cannot be on two...

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes someone can stop believing and still be saved. Salvation is one time. Once for all.

2 Timothy 2:13 (KJV) If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Could you please provide some scripture that states that salvation is a ONE TIME event, once for all not matter what.

I'm having a dejavu. Regarding 2 Timothy 2:13
I believe I've already written to you about this.
Please see my post in OSAS.
You misunderstand 2 Timothy 2:13 and I cannot keep repeating myself...

I'll be getting off this thread...

 

[GodsGrace]

I believe that God gave us two choices, which are ours, but they must be made as often as a decision is ours to make. The two are follow God or follow ourselves. Each time we choose God rather than ourselves, we may need help to proceed on His Way, but is the Holy Spirit not available?

God did give man the authority to disobey Him. That authority is still ours after we have been born again. A born again person has nothing more than what Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden prior to their sin. They could and did sin. So can we! We can limit God because He gave us the authority. He doesn't want us to do it, but we do it nonetheless very regularly.

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." Matt 7:7-8

This is true A,
but sinning is not what makes us lose our salvation.
We all sin.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

OSAS - that's me

 

[bbyrd009]

he who holds out to the end will be saved

 

[GodsGrace]

he who holds out to the end will be saved

Right.
But do you mean this thread???

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

BG,
A son is not Always a son.
The Prodigal son left his father.
Here is a post from another thread. (there must be two salvation threads...)

Luke 15:24
The son became DEAD after he left his father.
The father had given him his inheritance and he was to receive no more.

The father says that the son WAD DEAD and had come to life AGAIN.

This means the son was
alive
dead
alive again

When one LEAVES the Father and Jesus who is the vine that gives us life,
he becomes DEAD.

How is that again?
The son asked to come back as a slave but the father took him back as a son.
Once a son, always a son.
Once saved, always saved.
It never happens the other way.

 

[bbyrd009]

Right.
But do you mean this thread???

ha i don't expect this thread will ever end lol

 

[GodsGrace]

How is that again?
The son asked to come back as a slave but the father took him back as a son.
Once a son, always a son.
Once saved, always saved.
It never happens the other way.

He may have been a son in name,
but please read:
Luke 15:24

"For this son of mine WAS DEAD, and has COME TO LIFE AGAIN, he was LOST, and has been found".

The son was saved.
Lost.
Saved AGAIN.

Plain as day.

 

[tabletalk]

I believe that God gave us two choices, which are ours, but they must be made as often as a decision is ours to make. The two are follow God or follow ourselves. Each time we choose God rather than ourselves, we may need help to proceed on His Way, but is the Holy Spirit not available?

God did give man the authority to disobey Him. That authority is still ours after we have been born again. A born again person has nothing more than what Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden prior to their sin. They could and did sin. So can we! We can limit God because He gave us the authority. He doesn't want us to do it, but we do it nonetheless very regularly.

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." Matt 7:7-8

You said: "A born again person has nothing more than what Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden prior to their sin. They could and did sin. So can we!"

We have more than Adam and Eve.

I don't know if A&E were saved, but our sins are covered by the blood of Jesus. God's people repent, maybe continuously, and sin no longer reigns over us. Sin has been taken care of, Jesus overcame the world. We are in Christ. No condemnation. It is a done deal.

 

[amadeus]

This is true A,
but sinning is not what makes us lose our salvation.
We all sin.

If we do sin the apostle writes:

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" I John 2:1

In the OT God speaks of 10 times the people tempted God and for that they lost their ability to enter their Promised Land:

" Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;
Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:" Num 14:22-23

But, Moses, the man of God only tempted God once when he struck the rock instead of speaking to it.

For them and for us Jesus speaks these words:

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

The key words are "much is given" and "much is required". Moses was given much more than the other children of Israel so he was only allowed the one failure. And we...?

"Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Matt 11:11

The time of the Baptist was before the beginning of the kingdom of heaven, but our time is another thing, is it not? We have been given more than Moses who was given more than the children of Israel. Have we not also been given more than the Baptist who was given more than Moses?

So then how much is required of us when we have received so much? At what point will God treat us with regard to our "Promised Land" as he did most the children of Israel including Moses?

 

[bbyrd009]

How is that again?
The son asked to come back as a slave but the father took him back as a son.
Once a son, always a son.
Once saved, always saved.
It never happens the other way.

so you say, yes

 

[Job]

Hi Job...can you tell me how a bastard son is no long a son?
I wait...holding my breath.

Here's one passage. Keep in mind that it is the Lord who speaks these words through the hand of the writer. This is every bit a part of the Word that John 3:16 is.


Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.


o

 

[GodsGrace]

You said: "A born again person has nothing more than what Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden prior to their sin. They could and did sin. So can we!"

We have more than Adam and Eve.

I don't know if A&E were saved, but our sins are covered by the blood of Jesus. God's people repent, maybe continuously, and sin no longer reigns over us. Sin has been taken care of, Jesus overcame the world. We are in Christ. No condemnation. It is a done deal.

There is no condemnation for those who ARE IN CHRIST.
Romans 8:1

But regarding Adam and Eve,
are you saying born again believers have more than they had BEFORE they sinned or after??

Before they sinned, they had preternatural gifts that we do not have, even as born again believers.

They were immortal and walked with God in the cool Garden and spoke to Him.
They never got sick or had any problems.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

He may have been a son in name,
but please read:
Luke 15:24

"For this son of mine WAS DEAD, and has COME TO LIFE AGAIN, he was LOST, and has been found".

The son was saved.
Lost.
Saved AGAIN.

Plain as day.

It's a parable.
Do you always take parables literally?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Here's one passage. Keep in mind that it is the Lord who speaks these words through the hand of the writer. This is every bit a part of the Word that John 3:16 is.


Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.


o

What do you mean by this use of Hebrews 6?