Oh it was his idea and that became truth??? has to do with what...So...i am telling you who came up with the theology - Augustine.
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Oh it was his idea and that became truth??? has to do with what...So...i am telling you who came up with the theology - Augustine.
wrong person...sryI have no idea what man your talking about. The story of the Fall includes Adam and Eve and a snake - no man entering a snake
Oh it was his idea and that became truth??? has to do with what...
Nah, just have no what augustine has to do with teh topic,,,You must be bored, mjr.....
This was in relation to someone who said that there are no spiritual creatures what so ever, so a question was posed to THAT person, where the 'man' came from who then ( by that persons definition ) spoke through the snakeYou must be bored, mjr...
I watched the video.It's really late here.
But I do believe I've heard all the reasons.
It could be because we need to have a choice.
It could be because we appreciate good after we try the bad.
What else?
Will listen to it tomorrow and then will post.
For now it's
Bon Nuit...
Isn't satan the adversary?Definition for evil has two rudimentary meanings: sin, and adversity, and the Hebrew is ra'. It's obvious that in the context of Isa 45:7 is the same in Job 2:10--adversity!
Hebrew dictionary for evil: Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
what aboutIf somebody has it, I'd like to know.
But I'm not holding my breath.
separation?there is no answer for where evil comes from.
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If God created evil, I don't really care to serve that God.
Whether it's translated evil or calamity, it's the same.what about
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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Are you saying the darkness was or represented evil?So, even if "God" did not create "evil", he defined it as "evil".
Just as at creation according to the Pshat (plain and simple) reading of the text, darkness already existed.
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Sorry, I lost this...Indeed. The only time humanity had freewill was before the Fall and now, if we are in relationship with Christ.
I see what you mean about the glass.Evil is not the opposite of good. It is a broken or misused form of good. A broken glass is not the opposite of a functioning glass - it is a broken form.
I do believe hurricanes are evil.Hurricanes are bad for humanity, but they are not bad, in and of themselves. Calling them bad is the same thing A&E started after the Fall - labeling God’s good creation in relation to ourselves - ‘hurricanes destroy our cities and kill people who remain in their path - therefore they are evil’
If there was no evil in the fruit, OK.The tree was good. There was no evil in the tree or the fruit. We generated the evil by eating the fruit instead of using it for what God intented it to be used for.
Concupisence is the desire to do bad. I'm sure you just misspoke.Concupisence is the desire to do good. If we are experiencing a vulnerable, loving relationship with God, like A&E were doing before the Fall, the concept of concupisence is moot. It would be like breathing air - we only long for air when we feel the pain of not getting enough. So i agree, it didnt exist pre-Fall. I am not sure about the relationship between the lack of concupisence and the compulsion to commit the first sin....
This would go along with the idea that the apple looked good.I tend to think A&E decided to experience sin rather than just understand it as a concept because it seemed mysterious and compelling. Here was a secret that God was keeping from them and they wanted to feel what it was like rather than just seeing it as a concept; much like experimenting with drugs, i suppose.
Interesting idea.They knew that the fruit was not for eating. They knew that God intended it for other purposes. I have a sneaky suspicion that they knew, intellectually, that all creation could be misused. The incident with the Tree was simply the result of choosing a target for misuse. It didnt have to be the tree; the tree was not magic - it taught us nothing. In fact, it could have been named ‘The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, after the incident; sort of like a strench of highway that is notorious for accidents being labeled ‘Slaughter Alley’. Much of the lands in the OT were named for events that occured or promises made.
Augustine. I don't care for him. I rather dislike him.I believe evil is the absence of, or misuse of Gods Good Creation. This is not my idea - Augustine taught it during his lifetime.
Aspen, I was just going to log off when I saw this.Yes, Satan is a real being. I think of him as a warning for what we will become without Christ. I tend to think that many Christians over focus on Satan and assign more power and influence on him than he really has. He is incapable of a personal relationship with anyone - he lacks even an ounce of willingness for the vulnerability necessary to see living beings as anything more than an object rife for destruction.
What bothers you about Augustine?
And yes, i used the word concupisence incorrectly. I had to look it up and must of mispelled it.
yes, just like you would "create" dross if you were refining gold, or in another reflection, to identify something as separate from God, God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.So do YOU believe God, Yahweh, created evil?
ha, i'm hearing the wail of a child there, "my parents cause me to suffer soooo much," lolIt's God who causes us to suffer so much?
separation from God? You got an ego, something animals don't have; you got free will, your will is separate from God's will iow, you can be guilty of murder while an animal cannot, and imo leave the debates about whether free will exists or not to the confused, whose vision speaks for itself imo.@aspen understands you, but I don't.
What do you mean by "separation"?