Who is the "ONLY" True God Jesus referred to? (John 17:3)

[amadeus]

If Jesus and the Father are equal persons and/or parts of a triune God, why would Jesus pray this prayer?

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." John 17:21

Does this not then say that Jesus is praying that each of us may also be as he is with his Father? Would this then not would not make the Godhead a trinity, but multiplicity of Jesus, the Father, you, me and a multitude of others who are included in his prayer under the pronoun, "they"?

I don't believe that God is a multiplicity, but according to the way some trinitarians would explain their position that is the way it comes out, isn't it? Perhaps people should reconsider their belief.

 

[theQuestion]

GROSS ERROR, 2 Corinthians 11:31 "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not".

The God and Father ...... OF..... our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Distinction is made.

 

[theQuestion]

If Jesus and the Father are equal persons and/or parts of a triune God, why would Jesus pray this prayer?

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." John 17:21

Does this not then say that Jesus is praying that each of us may also be as he is with his Father? Would this then not would not make the Godhead a trinity, but multiplicity of Jesus, the Father, you, me and a multitude of others who are included in his prayer under the pronoun, "they"?

I don't believe that God is a multiplicity, but according to the way some trinitarians would explain their position that is the way it comes out, isn't it? Perhaps people should reconsider their belief.

Amen, and HalleluJAH!

 

[theQuestion]

You have google don't you? You should try posting them yourself.
I already did, there is only one God, and that God bear record in heaven as the Father, THEN the word made flesh, and THEN the holy spirit. You just don't like the answer, and I see this is going to just be an argument, so I just might be wasting my time.

You are correct!
I accept "Only", not "Chain of Command".
If you cannot accept what Jesus said, without adding church definitions, you are DEFINITELY "wasting you time" my friendly enemy!

 

[101G]

The God and Father ...... OF..... our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Distinction is made.

Glad you said that, for "of" translates the genitive case of nouns. which Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned. now is God subjective, YES, and is the Lord Jesus who is God shared in Flesh objective? yes, see, same person ony the diversity of oneself. my God how hard is it to understand?.

 

[DPMartin]

At least you admit you are guessing.
God, Jesus, Angels and demons are spirit ("breath/wind") beings, not human ("flesh") beings.
No such thing as "God-the-Word". and NO ONE 'get's the Trinity; for those that formed it labeled it a 'Sacred MYSTERY'....

Hey idiot read the bible before you come into a Christian only section lying to us about you being a Christian and what scripture says. the following is foundational to the Christian faith.


Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

even the devil knows what scripture says and wouldn't try what you are trying. just how dumb are you? and I never said I was guessing that is also a lie, isn't it?

 

[theQuestion]

Glad you said that, for "of" translates the genitive case of nouns. which Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned. now is God subjective, YES, and is the Lord Jesus who is God shared in Flesh objective? yes, see, same person ony the diversity of oneself. my God how hard is it to understand?.

Funny.
In churchese "of" means "is".
EASY to understand.

 

[theQuestion]

Hey idiot read the bible before you come into a Christian only section lying to us about you being a Christian and what scripture says. the following is foundational to the Christian faith.


Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

even the devil knows what scripture says and wouldn't try what you are trying. just how dumb are you? and I never said I was guessing that is also a lie, isn't it?

"Idiot"
This site allows insults?

 

[101G]

Not funny to me, use a dictionary, I recommend Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words to get the meat on the preposition "OF".

 

[theQuestion]

Not funny to me, use a dictionary, I recommend Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words to get the meat on the preposition "OF".

You mean the Greek should read "God-the-Word was with Themselves"?

 

[101G]

You mean the Greek should read "God-the-Word was with Themselves"?

1 Timothy 1:6 "From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling"

good day.

 

[theQuestion]

1 Timothy 1:6 "From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling"
good day.

"Jangling"?
You mean Three-in-One God, like the motor oil?

 

[KBCid]

No, he wasn't really referring to himself, although the anti-trinity crowd may put their own usual spin on it to make it so. The Bible makes it very clear that in the beginning was three in heaven that are one, the Father, the son and the holy ghost. The son is the word, which was God in essence and power yet separate being WITH God who we know in the flesh as the only begotten son Jesus Christ.

does it? if that were true then why did God make their image as male and female? that would be 2 not three.

 

[KBCid]

Why not focus on what JESUS said before listening to a Church?
Got my Bible open; let's start at Matt 6- shortly after beginning his ministry~
Matt 6:6- But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Why not "pray to your Father, and to the 'Holy Ghost', and to Me"?

There is one Father and one Son and they showed their image from the beginning by making man in their image as male and female.

 

[KBCid]

He didn't leave himself out actually. In the very same chapter you cited, he refers to himself as being one with the Father as he did several times before. And I have no idea why you bring up 1 John 5:7 because that's not what I referenced.

He referenced himself being one with the Father in the same way that we can be one with them, does that make us GOD too?

John 17:22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

Woohoo it is just God everywhere and since there are currently 2.2 billion confessing Christians in the world then that old trinity concept is quite a bit off from reality God is actually a couple bilinity. Now do I pray to someone else here on earth since they are God too or do I simply pray to myself since I must be God just as Christ is. It's funny though, if we are all God how come we do not all think as one?

 

[101G]

There is one Father and one Son and they showed their image from the beginning by making man in their image as male and female.

@KBCid, good insight. I know sometime we don't agree on the Godhead, but may I reveal something here. one word "ANOTHER", meaning another Adam, for Adam/man H120 אָדָם 'adam can be translate (KJV) as ANOTHER. Eve is simply "ANOTHER" adam/man. look up the Hebrew word, H120 אָדָם 'adam and see how the KJV can translate it.

 

[KBCid]

@KBCid, good insight. I know sometime we don't agree on the Godhead, but may I reveal something here. one word "ANOTHER", meaning another Adam, for Adam/man H120 אָדָם 'adam can be translate (KJV) as ANOTHER. Eve is simply "ANOTHER" adam/man. look up the Hebrew word, H120 אָדָם 'adam and see how the KJV can translate it.

And you come to a conclusion of three out of your redefining? or maybe there are two Gods? I would also point out that Eve was not the same being as Adam but was taken out of Adam. Tell me since Adam and Eve are the image of God what is the heavenly meaning for how Eve was formed?

 

[KBCid]

"Jangling"?
You mean Three-in-One God, like the motor oil?

Ahhh yes I have some 3 in 1 mystery oil myself... it comes right from autozone and I still don't know exactly whats in it but the clerk / priest there swear it works for everything.

 

[Helen]

No caps or lower case in biblical Greek.
Did GOD make Himself of no reputation and become a servant?

"I AM" is a mis-translation of the Hebrew at Ex 3, and John 8 was in Greek, Jesus saying "ego eimi", which EVERYONE used since it meant so many things, such as "I was, will be, have been", etc. Jesus wasn't talking like a Rapper.

Jesus is STILL subject to God- as in the scripture I quoted, and which you quickly ignored.

Maybe so...but I still contend that His relationship to His Father during the 33 years is different than it was ..." before the foundation of the world"...and after He ascended.

But that's okay...I guess we will just have to 'disagree agreeably.'
Neither intend to change our belief on this.

 

[theQuestion]

Ahhh yes I have some 3 in 1 mystery oil myself... it comes right from autozone and I still don't know exactly whats in it but the clerk / priest there swear it works for everything.