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[BreadOfLife]

I am non-denominational. I like to seek out truth from all denominations. I am simply Christian, my denomination ( using this as a play on words)- is the Body of Christ. I look at the Judaeo Christian faith as a lesson in experiences through time. And how man has claimed the Word in their denominations as something for them to solely understand and interpret and feed to the masses. I believe denominations seek to dominate people through religion. I believe there are and were true believers in the RCC. It has had positive as well as negative influences on people and societies across the globe.The Dogma in which it is built upon is true. Dogma: a principle or set of principles LAID DOWN BY AN AUTHORITY (CHRIST) as incontrovertibly true. This Dogma is there. It is man who has proven to be fallible not the Dogma.And the controversy is because of man not the Dogma. Unfortunately fallible men have caused the RCC to be rejected by many. This has spawned apostates and denominations. These other denominations, because of the heresies of Popes have not only rejected the Popes but much of the dogma of the faith as well.

Rome has served its part in bringing the Dogma of the faith to the world. The RCC is not the first church. The middle eastern Churches are. However, Rome being the Super Power of the time,( became through the introduction of Christianity and its accepting of it), the religious hub of Christianity. With that said, their had to be true followers of Christ in it. Rome for many centuries, was all people had to receive and learn doctrine from.

To discredit completely all RCC doctrine is unintelligent. To assume true Christianity was only established by the Protestants is also unintelligent. Protestantism began in the 12th century and did not become relevant until the 16th century. While the RCC was established centuries before. I would say the legalization in 313 by Emperor Constantine the 1st, began the establishment of Christianity as Romes religion with its subsequent establishment fully in 380. This happened under Emperor Theodosius. 380 is the official RCC . And still yet the Middle Eastern ,(I will call it Orthodox for the sake of argument) is where the RCC received it's first recorded doctrine of the faith. First by the Jews, and for the Jews. For all scripture is delivered through them.

What were the beliefs of the early church? When that is established you can credit or discredit all others by the first churches teachings. I will address MARY! This seems to be a bone of contention for Protestants and a quarrelsome debate between the RCC and them.The bottom line is, the WORD OF GOD MUST SUPPORT ALL DOCTRINES ascribed to by man. Does scripture support veneration of Mary? Yes!

Have a bible on hand. I am not going to do a data drop of knowledge which is available through reading scripture along with commentary. Luke1:26-35, the arch angel Gabriel in these verses says, "Hail full of grace, the Lord is with you!' The angel is venerating Mary, and exclaiming she is full of grace. VENERATION: to show great respect and love, adoration. She is also venerated by Elisabeth, whom she visited, Luke1:42, and she EXCLAIMED with a loud cry, "Blessed are YOU AMONG women, and BLESSED is the FRUIT of your womb! This is veneration in the true sense of the word. And is the sum of the Rosary which is scriptural and is not sinful, no matter how many times the scriptural words are said, it does take away from their holiness.

Is Mary a visitor of souls? Yes! As she was purposed by Christ to be and this is verified by scripture through the visitation to Elisabeth. Ones role never changes in Christ. A title given to Mary, "THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION". This was revealed to Bernadette Soubirous at Lords. Is this a true apparition? Well, lets look at what the faithful are to do to test spirits, 1 John4:1-3, Beloved do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you will no the Spirit of God, : every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of antichrist, of which you heard that it was coming, and now it is in the world already.

So, we learn John says test the SPIRITS to see if they are of God. This suggest people can receive visitations from those of the Spirit of God. Is Mary of the Spirit of God? what happened when Bernadette saw the "Beautiful Lady" as she called her? Bernadette upon the second time of this happening to her threw HOLY WATER at the apparition and said, "If you are not of God go away". Mary precedes to take out Rosary beads and lead Bernadette in the confession of faith which states , Christ has come in the flesh, which is the statement " BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB,JESUS" which is a statement exclaimed by Elisabeth to Mary and is to confess CHRIST HAS COME IN THE FLESH! SEAL OF APPROVAL! THIS APPARITION GETS AN (A+)
for authenticity.

When Mary revealed she is the "IMMACULATE CONCEPTION" she did not reveal what this meant. Here in lies the problem for the RCC. The RCC teaches Mary is the Immaculate conception because she was conceived without the stain of original sin. This is true, but the timing of when this happened is off. The RCC says she was conceived without sin in her mothers womb. This is not true. If it were it would mean Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit in her mothers womb, she was not. She was conceived by natural conception, Christ is the only one conceived outside of natural conception through supernatural conception. Also, because she was conceived by natural conception the stain of original was there. For her to be without this her whole family lineage would have to be sinless which contradicts Romans3:23-24, since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE as a gift through the redemption which is in Christ, Jesus. It is by grace we are saved. What did Gabriel say to Mary ?, "Hail Mary FULL OF GRACE"? And the song of Mary, she says: Luke 1:46-55, " My soul magnifies the Lord and MY SPIRIT REJOICES IN GOD MY SAVIOR, for he has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; for He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name.

I'll end there to elaborate on this. Mary calls God her Savior. She became the Immaculate Conception because she immaculately conceived by the Holy Spirit. When the power of God overshadowed her, she herself had to be made immaculate to hold within her the Son of the Most high. The Word could only be in a spotlessly clean vessel. She is the Lords first work of Christianity. She is the Immaculate Conception. She was instantly transformed at the Immaculate Conception and Incarnation of Christ. Scripture supports this Dogma.

Pope Pius IX instituted this Dogma in 1854, However, it is not the correct definition as to how and why she is the Immaculate Conception. Also, Romans 9:20 states: But who are you, a man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me thus?" Has the potter no right over the clay , to make out of the same LUMP on vessel for beauty and another for menial use?
We are all of the same LUMP, but Mary is used for beauty. And the fullness of that beauty is of God. We should not deny or question the will of God.
As I said, I am non denominational. God has purposed me to give clarity to the faithful. The Rev.12 sign is the signal to let us know we are in a new season for the the Body Of Christ. A time for edifying and soundness is upon us. I have much more to reveal about Mary's role for the Body of Christ.

In conclusion, the first church venerated her and so will the last. I know which apparitions are true, and the meaning of the messages for the elect who embrace her. Mary has always appeared to the little people and laity, not to the high positioned. Her messages tend to be rejected by the Higher Archy, until they see how the lower stationed people rejoice over her messages. Mary always admonishes those in high positions in her messages. She only seeks to preserve the true faithful. Rev,17-18 is at hand and is about the Harlot Vatican which has become Masonic and is going to fall! When this happens the Hallelujah will commence, Rev19. the wedding feast of the Lamb! Blessed are those who are called to it!

Your entire verbose post is flawed because you refer to the "RCC". There is no such Church as the "RCC" or "The Roman Catholic Church."
The term "Roman" or "Latin" simply refers to the RITE - of which there are about 20 that make up "The Catholic Church". Among these are the Byzantine Rite, Melkite Rite, Ruthenian Rite, Alexandrian Rite, Coptic Rite, etc. - and they are all i full communion with each other.

The Catholic Church IS the oldest Christian group - there is NONE older.

I suggest you get your facts straight before you posting about something you don't seem to know anything about.

 

[BreadOfLife]

um, i don't think amadeus considers himself a Protestant?

But you don't care, because that doesn't fit your monologue, right.

If he's a baptized, non-Catholic Christian - then he is by definition, a Protestant.

 

[bbyrd009]

I suggest you get your facts straight before you posting about something you don't seem to know anything about.

why, doesn't seem to slow you down any. You cannot possibly be that dense, BreadOfDeath, c'mon.

If he's a baptized, non-Catholic Christian - then he is by definition, a Protestant.

so you say, but then you get to make all of the definitions, right

 

[BreadOfLife]

but you do not know what "Church" means, either, so i prefer to go by your fruit, wadr

The Church, as defined by Scripture is as follows:
- Jesus established ONE Church (Matt. 16:16-19). He prayed fervently that this Church remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23). There is NO other.
- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6). Jesus promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).
- Jesus gave the Church supreme Authority on earth and whatever it ordains on earth is also ordained in heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 20:21-23).

see? You are enmeshed in a cult, in a way that many Catholics are not.

Care to elaborate on that - or are you just satisfied making asinine comments?
Something tells me that you don't even kow what qusalifies a group as a "cult."

 

[BreadOfLife]

why, doesn't seem to slow you down any. You cannot possibly be that dense, BreadOfDeath, c'mon.
so you say, but then you get to make all of the definitions, right

Anybody who protests against the Church is a Protestant.
You can whine about that until the cows come home and it'll still be true . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

i think Inquisition, Indulgences, and Indiscretions all pretty much speak for themselves; not that a Catholic cannot come to the Church of Living Stones if they seek and knock though. And still call themselves a Catholic, if they like, who cares? As long as they have grasped true confession, rebound, Passover, etc.

And that's because you are completely ignorant about those subjects.
You don't understand the Inquisition or Indulgences. As for "indiscretions" - show me ONE human being that doesn't sin.

The Church isn't a museum of perfect people. It's a hospital for sinners.

 

[bbyrd009]

He prayed fervently that this Church remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE

and trust me, or trust God, either way, the Church has done just that, simply because It cannot do anything else.

Something tells me that you don't even kow what qusalifies a group as a "cult."

that is because i have seen that one may be in a group, and be cultic, whereas someone else in the same group may not be

Care to elaborate on that - or are you just satisfied making asinine comments?

ah, mostly satisfied just making asinine comments, i guess; but i have no problem polling for this, if you are game, i am! but i get to word the poll, of course, as you obviously cannot be trusted. You can have an arbiter to ensure the language is neutral, i guess

Anybody who protests against the Church is a Protestant.

but you have already demonstrated that you do not know the correct defintion of Church, BoL.

 

[bbyrd009]

And that's because you are completely ignorant about those subjects.
You don't understand the Inquisition or Indulgences.

ah, maybe not--what am i not understanding then?

As for "indiscretions" - show me ONE human being that doesn't sin.

Job. But don't get me wrong, i love the RCC, it is a perfect mirror of human nature, and cranks out humble believers imo. i perceive it as i do the US Government--the worst ideas ever devised, until one considers all of the other ideas.
i don't expect either to be perfect, and i respect both

The Church isn't a museum of perfect people. It's a hospital for sinners.

well, that would define "church," imo and not Church, but nice! you say a lot of good stuff imo

 

[ScottA]

I chose to believe in what Jesus told Peter.
YOU chose to reject what He said to him i, favor of what your Protestant Fathers decided.

God will not be mocked - nor will he be disobeyed.

On the contrary, you read it the way you saw it - which was the flesh seeing the things of the flesh and not seeing the spirit, which was also being offered. Or worse, you saw both but chose the lesser.

I don't blame God for your rejection of His Word.
On the contrary - YOU chose to follow what prideful, rebellious men decided in the 16th century instead of what the Holy Spirit revealed in the 4th century.

Nor do I blame you for your rejection of the spirit of God at that moment - but it was a dumb choice.

If rebelling against the flesh and returning to receiving the spirit of God in the building of Christ's church is wrong...then the accuser is the one who is in the wrong. Although, it is shameful that it took 16 centuries.

 

[EndTimeWine]

Your entire verbose post is flawed because you refer to the "RCC". There is no such Church as the "RCC" or "The Roman Catholic Church."
The term "Roman" or "Latin" simply refers to the RITE - of which there are about 20 that make up "The Catholic Church". Among these are the Byzantine Rite, Melkite Rite, Ruthenian Rite, Alexandrian Rite, Coptic Rite, etc. - and they are all i full communion with each other.

The Catholic Church IS the oldest Christian group - there is NONE older.

I suggest you get your facts straight before you posting about something you don't seem to know anything about.

You are wrong! Just because a group calls themselves Universal does not mean they were first. The first church are the first believers ,Jews. The Lord is King of the Universe therefore,His church is Universal. It is infallible unlike many Popes. You should be more careful who you try to blast. There are many rites in all denominations what is your point? The Middle eastern churches were absorbed into the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. As I said the church is UNIVERSAL because Christ is king of the Universe .The Body of Christ is not a sole denomination.But all believers everywhere! Say what you want the UNIVERSAL CHURCH began with the Jews and there is only ONE RITE, CHRISTIANITY,there is only one Body the Body of Christ. And no one is attacking the truth in the RCC, however, there are many false doctrine ascribed to by many Popes, and I will not blindly follow. That which is true I apply to my life. All you are going off about- are names . I am speaking about Dogmatic doctrine which needs to be made clear. The correction of falsely interpreted Dogma is what I was talking about. The middle eastern orthodox churches which I was referring to and not Coptic Catholics as you are referring to- as well as the Greek and Russian and all other ORTHODOX including Coptic ORTHODOX do not believe in Papal Infallibility or that the POPE is the head. CHRIST IS! And the Popes have proven to be fallible! Get over it! The Coptics do not recognize the POPE.

I am not talking about all these Catholic sects. That is what you are making an argument for. I am supporting Immaculate Conception as to its true meaning, and giving understanding for other denominations who disagree with this label. Also, the Orthodox do not believe in the title of "IMMACULATE CONCEPTION " said from Mary to the faithful Bernadette. Though the Coptic and other orthodox churches venerate Mary they,( because it was revealed to a Christian in the RCC system) refuse this Label of Mary. Even though it is true! I am simply giving clarity concerning the true words of MARY GIVEN AND ARE SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURE which I placed as reference. You can support a denomination all you want. I will only support truth. Popes are NOT INFALLIBLE! I will take the truths in each denomination and reject the lies!

I also know the message of Fatima is true! And those who buried it in the VATICAN and lied about it and silenced the REAL SISTER LUCIA are FALSE! THIS INCLUDES POPES! Those who put forth a false narrative that the bishop in white was PJP2 with their FRAUD SISTER LUCIA are being outed by not only me but by "Catholics" ( They are not the only ones called part of the Universal Body) who refuse to drink the Kool-Aid of the Masonic infiltrated Vatican, which the Fatima third secret reveals. The Bishop in white is killed, Pope John Paul 2 was not!

The true sister Lucia was murdered though! People should look up pictures of the true sister Lucia and you can compare them to the fraud! Her confessor, a Priest from Portugal said she looked emaciated when he last met with her. The secret was not revealed upon her death or by 1960 the latest. Who was withholding it? Perhaps you should look into what you are supporting! Read Sister Lucia's memoirs and statement made by HER CONFESSOR. Connect the dots! OPEN YOUR EYES! GET YOU FACTS STRAIGHT! It matters not now- Fatima's message. It is pass the time for reconciling the VATICAN TO CHRIST! The true Bishop in white in the secret is NONE OTHER THAN POPE FRANCIS! The Vatican's verdict is pronounced in REV.18. EVERYTHING PRONOUNCED BY SAINTS INCLUDING MOTHER MARY"S WORDS ARE UPHELD BY THE BIBLE! REV.12 MARCHES ON!

As believers we do not have to be validated by a denomination but by the WORD! GOD BLESS!

 

[BreadOfLife]

and trust me, or trust God, either way, the Church has done just that, simply because It cannot do anything else.

Yes - the CHURCH has - not the tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering man-made sects.

that is because i have seen that one may be in a group, and be cultic, whereas someone else in the same group may not be

In other words - you have NO idea what a "cult" is but it sounds like a good sharp stone to throw at the Church . . .

ah, mostly satisfied just making asinine comments, i guess; but i have no problem polling for this, if you are game, i am! but i get to word the poll, of course, as you obviously cannot be trusted. You can have an arbiter to ensure the language is neutral, i guess

It's not up for a vote, Einstein - either something is a cult or it is not.

but you have already demonstrated that you do not know the correct defintion of Church, BoL.

Wrong.
I gave you the Scriptural definition.

You've offered nothing, as usual . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

ah, maybe not--what am i not understanding then?
Job. But don't get me wrong, i love the RCC, it is a perfect mirror of human nature, and cranks out humble believers imo. i perceive it as i do the US Government--the worst ideas ever devised, until one considers all of the other ideas.
i don't expect either to be perfect, and i respect both

Translation: "I can't show you anybody who doesn't sin, but I've stuck my foot in my mouth and can't find a way to get it out."

well, that would define "church," imo and not Church, but nice! you say a lot of good stuff imo

And yet, YOU'VE offered nothing to rebut what I've said - as usual.
Arguing with you is like shootin' fish in a barrel . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

On the contrary, you read it the way you saw it - which was the flesh seeing the things of the flesh and not seeing the spirit, which was also being offered. Or worse, you saw both but chose the lesser.
Nor do I blame you for your rejection of the spirit of God at that moment - but it was a dumb choice.

All this coming from a person who rejects the very means that God used to reveal His written Word to the world.
Can YOU say, "Hypocrite"?

If rebelling against the flesh and returning to receiving the spirit of God in the building of Christ's church is wrong...then the accuser is the one who is in the wrong. Although, it is shameful that it took 16 centuries.

So, you believe Jesus lied when He promised that the Holy Spirit would guide His Church to ALL truth (John 16:12-15).
You embrace the idea that flawed, sinful, rebellious men led the world to all truth in the 16th century.

Interesting . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are wrong! Just because a group calls themselves Universal does not mean they were first. The first church are the first believers ,Jews. The Lord is King of the Universe therefore,His church is Universal. It is infallible unlike many Popes. You should be more careful who you try to blast. There are many rites in all denominations what is your point? The Middle eastern churches were absorbed into the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. As I said the church is UNIVERSAL because Christ is king of the Universe .The Body of Christ is not a sole denomination.But all believers everywhere! Say what you want the UNIVERSAL CHURCH began with the Jews and there is only ONE RITE, CHRISTIANITY,there is only one Body the Body of Christ. And no one is attacking the truth in the RCC, however, there are many false doctrine ascribed to by many Popes, and I will not blindly follow. That which is true I apply to my life. All you are going off about- are names . I am speaking about Dogmatic doctrine which needs to be made clear. The correction of falsely interpreted Dogma is what I was talking about. The middle eastern orthodox churches which I was referring to and not Coptic Catholics as you are referring to- as well as the Greek and Russian and all other ORTHODOX including Coptic ORTHODOX do not believe in Papal Infallibility or that the POPE is the head. CHRIST IS! And the Popes have proven to be fallible! Get over it! The Coptics do not recognize the POPE.

I am not talking about all these Catholic sects. That is what you are make an argument for. I am supporting Immaculate Conception as to its true meaning, and giving understanding for other denominations who disagree with this label. Also, the Orthodox do not believe in the title of "IMMACULATE CONCEPTION " said from Mary to the faithful Bernadette. Though the Coptic and other orthodox churches venerate Mary they,( because it was revealed to a Christian in the RCC system) refuse this Label of Mary. Even though it is true! I am simply giving clarity concerning the true words of MARY GIVEN AND ARE SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURE which I placed as reference. You can support a denomination all you want. I will only support truth. Popes are NOT INFALLIBLE! I will take the truths in each denomination and reject the lies!

I also know the message of Fatima is true! And those who buried it in the VATICAN and lied about it and silenced the REAL SISTER LUCIA are FALSE! THIS INCLUDES POPES! Those who put forth a false narrative that the bishop in white was PJP2 with their FRAUD SISTER LUCIA are being outed by not only me but by "Catholics" ( They are not the only ones called part of the Universal Body) who refuse to drink the Kool-Aid of the Masonic infiltrated Vatican, which the Fatima third secret reveals. The Bishop in white is killed, Pope John Paul 2 was not!

The true sister Lucia was murdered though! People should look up pictures of the true sister Lucia and you can compare them to the fraud! Her confessor, a Priest from Portugal said she looked emaciated when he last met with her. The secret was not revealed upon her death or by 1960 the latest. Who was withholding it? Perhaps you should look into what you are supporting! Read Sister Lucia's memoirs and statement made by HER CONFESSOR. Connect the dots! OPEN YOUR EYES! GET YOU FACTS STRAIGHT! It matters not now- Fatima's message. It is pass the time for reconciling the VATICAN TO CHRIST! The true Bishop in white in the secret is NONE OTHER THAN POPE FRANCIS! The Vatican's verdict is pronounced in REV.18. EVERYTHING PRONOUNCED BY SAINTS INCLUDING MOTHER MARY"S WORDS ARE UPHELD BY THE BIBLE! REV.12 MARCHES ON!

As believers we do not have to be validated by a denomination but by the WORD! GOD BLESS!

And by this rant, you've shown just how ignorant you are, not only about what the Catholic Church teaches - but history itself.

First of all - you don't seem to be able to grasp what a "RITE" is. It's largely cultural, not doctrinal. The 20 Rites of the Catholic Church aren't "sects". They comprise the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Conversely, the tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering Protestant groups ARE sects because they teach different doctrines yet they all claim to have the "Truth." This is the key to understanding why you have absolutely NO idea what the Church is.

As for the rest of your freaky, conspiracy-laden rant - I can only say that I'll pray for you . . .

 

[aspen]

Anyone old enough to remember Dana Carvey imitating John McLaughlin? Every time a panel member tried to speak, Carvey would yell, WRONG.........

How about you, BOL......?

 

[aspen]

And unless you've become the mouthpiece for Amadeus - I was responding to his question:

Um....yeah, sucks to not be in control of a public discussion

It is an undeniable fact that the sun is hot. It's not up for debate, not is it a matter of opinion.

It is pure opinion - an opinion based on comparision not absolute truth.

 

[ScottA]

All this coming from a person who rejects the very means that God used to reveal His written Word to the world.
Can YOU say, "Hypocrite"?

Are you calling Christ a hypocrite? Because I have been telling you that you should seek the kingdom first of God - which was what He was proclaiming when He declared it to Peter...but you chose the world.

So, you believe Jesus lied when He promised that the Holy Spirit would guide His Church to ALL truth (John 16:12-15).
You embrace the idea that flawed, sinful, rebellious men led the world to all truth in the 16th century.

Interesting . . .

Lied? No, but just as He allowed Israel to wander in the desert and be in captivity, you are responsible for 16 centuries of putting off the Holy Spirit...which is not interesting, but sad.

 

[amadeus]

um, i don't think amadeus considers himself a Protestant?

But you don't care, because that doesn't fit your monologue, right.

That is about it. His is just one more monologue of the many we have heard here and other similar places.

I was a Catholic and then I was Oneness, Jesus Only [UPC], which is rejected by every mainline Protestant Church as well as by the Catholic Church. I purposely left the UPC because they as a group were too hard headed for what God had put into my heart. The group I went into is perhaps even more distant from the RCC and the Protestants than the UPC, but there it is. This group identifies itself as the Body of Christ, but they are hardly alone in that.

In a sense, I do protest, but not about the things which Martin Luther and those of his time protested. I protest rather against anything which would lead me away from rather than toward God. Even most of those where I presently attend disagree with where I am. I stay because God told me to stay and support the pastor until his death. He is 92, but perhaps he will outlive me as my health problems increase and he just continues. God knows. From here where would God lead me?

So then I protest ye all and all of your ways which would want to insert themselves between me and God.

Wait for it, we oughtta be hearing about the "10,000 perpetually-splintering sects" here any minute, lol. So retarded.

Yes, this splintering may be a really terrible thing, but how much is it worse than what happened at the Tower of Babel? You know they now say that the split between East and West in the one Universal Church [Catholic] was not as bad, but you wonder if maybe it is as is it written:

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after." Ecc 1:9-11

Consider in this respect also the split between the North and South of Israel after Solomon's death? Did not God tell Jeroboam that it would happen and that he would be king over 10 tribes? Which of those do you suppose is a type of shadow of the RCC? They were both punished severely for turning away from God.

 

[bbyrd009]

Um....yeah, sucks to not be in control of a public discussion




It is pure opinion - an opinion based on comparision not absolute truth.

um, don't we even have some "seven times brighter than the sun" language somewhere? Rev maybe?

 

[bbyrd009]

Anyone old enough to remember Dana Carvey imitating John McLaughlin? Every time a panel member tried to speak, Carvey would yell, WRONG.........

How about you, BOL......?

hilarious, never saw them!