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Your entire verbose post is flawed because you refer to the "RCC". There is no such Church as the "RCC" or "The Roman Catholic Church."I am non-denominational. I like to seek out truth from all denominations. I am simply Christian, my denomination ( using this as a play on words)- is the Body of Christ. I look at the Judaeo Christian faith as a lesson in experiences through time. And how man has claimed the Word in their denominations as something for them to solely understand and interpret and feed to the masses. I believe denominations seek to dominate people through religion. I believe there are and were true believers in the RCC. It has had positive as well as negative influences on people and societies across the globe.The Dogma in which it is built upon is true. Dogma: a principle or set of principles LAID DOWN BY AN AUTHORITY (CHRIST) as incontrovertibly true. This Dogma is there. It is man who has proven to be fallible not the Dogma.And the controversy is because of man not the Dogma. Unfortunately fallible men have caused the RCC to be rejected by many. This has spawned apostates and denominations. These other denominations, because of the heresies of Popes have not only rejected the Popes but much of the dogma of the faith as well.
Rome has served its part in bringing the Dogma of the faith to the world. The RCC is not the first church. The middle eastern Churches are. However, Rome being the Super Power of the time,( became through the introduction of Christianity and its accepting of it), the religious hub of Christianity. With that said, their had to be true followers of Christ in it. Rome for many centuries, was all people had to receive and learn doctrine from.
To discredit completely all RCC doctrine is unintelligent. To assume true Christianity was only established by the Protestants is also unintelligent. Protestantism began in the 12th century and did not become relevant until the 16th century. While the RCC was established centuries before. I would say the legalization in 313 by Emperor Constantine the 1st, began the establishment of Christianity as Romes religion with its subsequent establishment fully in 380. This happened under Emperor Theodosius. 380 is the official RCC . And still yet the Middle Eastern ,(I will call it Orthodox for the sake of argument) is where the RCC received it's first recorded doctrine of the faith. First by the Jews, and for the Jews. For all scripture is delivered through them.
What were the beliefs of the early church? When that is established you can credit or discredit all others by the first churches teachings. I will address MARY! This seems to be a bone of contention for Protestants and a quarrelsome debate between the RCC and them.The bottom line is, the WORD OF GOD MUST SUPPORT ALL DOCTRINES ascribed to by man. Does scripture support veneration of Mary? Yes!
Have a bible on hand. I am not going to do a data drop of knowledge which is available through reading scripture along with commentary. Luke1:26-35, the arch angel Gabriel in these verses says, "Hail full of grace, the Lord is with you!' The angel is venerating Mary, and exclaiming she is full of grace. VENERATION: to show great respect and love, adoration. She is also venerated by Elisabeth, whom she visited, Luke1:42, and she EXCLAIMED with a loud cry, "Blessed are YOU AMONG women, and BLESSED is the FRUIT of your womb! This is veneration in the true sense of the word. And is the sum of the Rosary which is scriptural and is not sinful, no matter how many times the scriptural words are said, it does take away from their holiness.
Is Mary a visitor of souls? Yes! As she was purposed by Christ to be and this is verified by scripture through the visitation to Elisabeth. Ones role never changes in Christ. A title given to Mary, "THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION". This was revealed to Bernadette Soubirous at Lords. Is this a true apparition? Well, lets look at what the faithful are to do to test spirits, 1 John4:1-3, Beloved do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you will no the Spirit of God, : every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of antichrist, of which you heard that it was coming, and now it is in the world already.
So, we learn John says test the SPIRITS to see if they are of God. This suggest people can receive visitations from those of the Spirit of God. Is Mary of the Spirit of God? what happened when Bernadette saw the "Beautiful Lady" as she called her? Bernadette upon the second time of this happening to her threw HOLY WATER at the apparition and said, "If you are not of God go away". Mary precedes to take out Rosary beads and lead Bernadette in the confession of faith which states , Christ has come in the flesh, which is the statement " BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB,JESUS" which is a statement exclaimed by Elisabeth to Mary and is to confess CHRIST HAS COME IN THE FLESH! SEAL OF APPROVAL! THIS APPARITION GETS AN (A+)
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When Mary revealed she is the "IMMACULATE CONCEPTION" she did not reveal what this meant. Here in lies the problem for the RCC. The RCC teaches Mary is the Immaculate conception because she was conceived without the stain of original sin. This is true, but the timing of when this happened is off. The RCC says she was conceived without sin in her mothers womb. This is not true. If it were it would mean Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit in her mothers womb, she was not. She was conceived by natural conception, Christ is the only one conceived outside of natural conception through supernatural conception. Also, because she was conceived by natural conception the stain of original was there. For her to be without this her whole family lineage would have to be sinless which contradicts Romans3:23-24, since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE as a gift through the redemption which is in Christ, Jesus. It is by grace we are saved. What did Gabriel say to Mary ?, "Hail Mary FULL OF GRACE"? And the song of Mary, she says: Luke 1:46-55, " My soul magnifies the Lord and MY SPIRIT REJOICES IN GOD MY SAVIOR, for he has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; for He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name.
I'll end there to elaborate on this. Mary calls God her Savior. She became the Immaculate Conception because she immaculately conceived by the Holy Spirit. When the power of God overshadowed her, she herself had to be made immaculate to hold within her the Son of the Most high. The Word could only be in a spotlessly clean vessel. She is the Lords first work of Christianity. She is the Immaculate Conception. She was instantly transformed at the Immaculate Conception and Incarnation of Christ. Scripture supports this Dogma.
Pope Pius IX instituted this Dogma in 1854, However, it is not the correct definition as to how and why she is the Immaculate Conception. Also, Romans 9:20 states: But who are you, a man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me thus?" Has the potter no right over the clay , to make out of the same LUMP on vessel for beauty and another for menial use?
We are all of the same LUMP, but Mary is used for beauty. And the fullness of that beauty is of God. We should not deny or question the will of God.
As I said, I am non denominational. God has purposed me to give clarity to the faithful. The Rev.12 sign is the signal to let us know we are in a new season for the the Body Of Christ. A time for edifying and soundness is upon us. I have much more to reveal about Mary's role for the Body of Christ.
In conclusion, the first church venerated her and so will the last. I know which apparitions are true, and the meaning of the messages for the elect who embrace her. Mary has always appeared to the little people and laity, not to the high positioned. Her messages tend to be rejected by the Higher Archy, until they see how the lower stationed people rejoice over her messages. Mary always admonishes those in high positions in her messages. She only seeks to preserve the true faithful. Rev,17-18 is at hand and is about the Harlot Vatican which has become Masonic and is going to fall! When this happens the Hallelujah will commence, Rev19. the wedding feast of the Lamb! Blessed are those who are called to it!
The term "Roman" or "Latin" simply refers to the RITE - of which there are about 20 that make up "The Catholic Church". Among these are the Byzantine Rite, Melkite Rite, Ruthenian Rite, Alexandrian Rite, Coptic Rite, etc. - and they are all i full communion with each other.
The Catholic Church IS the oldest Christian group - there is NONE older.
I suggest you get your facts straight before you posting about something you don't seem to know anything about.