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The four angels are "loosed", which means that like Apollyon they certainly aren't roaming about freely until that point, so I think its at least safe to conclude that they are fallen. They are given command over Apollyon's two hundred million strong army of 'locusts' to lay to waste any that gets in his way.
Yes, they are "loosed". Bound at the great river Euphrates, and had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men.

However, they like the locusts, are not allowed to harm those with the seal of "God" in their foreheads. Those that were "tormented" and "killed", were those who refused to repent. Thus, these four "angels" are working for "God". They are only harming those who do evil.


The first beast IS Apollyon, scripture is quite clear on this. I don't know where people get this idea about some revived Roman Empire. John identifies who the first beast is, the little horn way back in chapter 11.
My apologies. I am not speaking of some "revived" Roman Empire, but the first "beast" as having been the Roman Empire.

You lost me with regard to the "little horn" in chapter 11. The only "little horn" that I can place right this second that would apply is the one spoken of in Daniel 7. However, there is something in Revelation that I know I am not currently able to recall with regard to this.

Unless you are referring to the what would be the "little horn" of Daniel 8 whose actions may be seen in Daniel 11.


Who else ascended out of the bottomless pit but Apollyon?
Who is clearly an "angel". Who, also is operating under the direction of "God", in that the locusts are not allowed to torment those with the seal of "God" in their foreheads. But only those who refuse to repent.

In the Exodus account, the angel which passed through or passed over was also a "destroyer".

The text is not clear IMO that this angel ascended from the abyss. I admit, there are two manners in which it may possibly be understood. One is, as you are asserting, that Abaddon came forth from the pit, as the king of the pit so to speak. Another, is that this "angel", was also perhaps the watcher over the abyss. I won't claim it to be either way.


He is only later called the seven headed ten horned beast because he is given his power and authority over every nation by the seven headed ten horned dragon.
Hmm, I can't agree there. Of the ten horns and seven heads of said "beast":

Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.

Five are fallen. One is.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and they give their power and authority unto the beast.

IMO: The five which are fallen: Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar, Tiberius, Caligula, and Claudius.

"One is" at the time of the writing of Revelation: Nero

Nero as the "one is", places the date of the writing of Revelation within the timeframe of 54-66 [68] CE, before the destruction of the city [and probably before the burning of the city under Nero circa 66 CE] and the sanctuary as spoken of in:

Daniel 9:26 For the people of the prince that shall come ...

It was under Vespasian [the seventh], under whom the sanctuary was destroyed in his second year [cf Wars 6.4.8].


We come to a curious point: Circa 285 CE

In 285 CE, Diocletian split the Roman Empire in half, in two.
The western Roman Empire and the eastern Roman Empire
[aka Byzantine Empire]

Enter Maximianus, who ruled with Diocletian. Maximianus,
who was briefly abdicated, and returned to reign.

1) Diocletian 284 - 305 CE
2) Maximianus 286 - 310 CE
3) Caraisius 287 - 293 CE
4) Allectus 293 - 296 CE
5) Domitius Domitianus 296 - 297 CE
6) Constantius Chlorus 305 - 306 CE
7) Galerius 305 - 311 CE
8) Maxentius 306 - 312 CE
9) Velerius Romulus 306 - 309 CE
10) Severus II 306 - 307 CE

Ten kings in the space of 22 years, ten kings, who reign but a short time.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and they give their power and authority unto the beast.


And enter Constantine the Great: 307 - 337 CE.
 
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My point is we should thank God for our President Trump and give him our respect as the rest of the world sees him as a great leader and not join the fake liberal media and Dems in their fake news arracks and mocking!!!

Do you honestly believe that Trump is seen as a great leader around the world?
In all honesty we are suppose to pray for and accept whoever has authority over us, so did you thank God for the last president of the USA , would you have thanked God if Clinton had got in. Do I thank God for the British leaders , past and present - not sure I did, or do. I have lost respect for most of the people in power because there are so many hidden agendas.
The only authority I truly trust in is Gods.
Respect is something that is earned, much depends on what they say and what they do.
By the way , is his Twitter account for real, seriously, I am really curious about that. I do not have Twitter but hear about his comments all the time from my son - just wondered if it is really him that writes the stuff.
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Face Truth!! Are you looking for Jesus to return to catch up (rapture) believers TODAY or do you think Jesus will return after the tribulation?? If so why do you think you would be ready to meet Jesus TODAY? As you think His return is years away??
 

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By the way , is his Twitter account for real, seriously, I am really curious about that. I do not have Twitter but hear about his comments all the time from my son - just wondered if it is really him that writes the stuff.
my understanding is that Trump used psychometrics to get elected--fascinating stuff, imo--and every tweet was calculated. Dunno about now though
 

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Personally I don't think his tweets actually help him
yes, but this is because they were designed to appeal to someone else, and our reaction to the tweets becomes irrelevant. Iow we were never considered when the tweets were worded, because we were not the specific target audience that the tweets were designed for, that being "swing voters," i guess.

personally i don't think his tweets help either, yet nonetheless the guy somehow "miraculously" got elected, right? lol.
See, if you can get a majority behind you, who cares what the 49% think?
 
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yes, but this is because they were designed to appeal to someone else, and our reaction to the tweets becomes irrelevant. Iow we were never considered when the tweets were worded, because we were not the specific target audience that the tweets were designed for, that being "swing voters," i guess.

personally i don't think his tweets help either, yet nonetheless the guy somehow "miraculously" got elected, right? lol.
See, if you can get a majority behind you, who cares what the 49% think?

' miraculously ' somehow gives me hope that God had a part in the result, We had the same with our vote for coming out of Europe, I knew in my heart as I voted that it was right to vote to leave , even though I went to vote with no real idea of which way to vote. I had immense peace about it. I was totally amazed when I heard the result, while everyone at work was in panic mode , I just knew God was in the result.
I believe God is truly using the present uncertainties and power struggles.
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Yes, they are "loosed". Bound at the great river Euphrates, and had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men.

However, they like the locusts, are not allowed to harm those with the seal of "God" in their foreheads. Those that were "tormented" and "killed", were those who refused to repent. Thus, these four "angels" are working for "God". They are only harming those who do evil.

I never differentiated who the locusts go after as those who are and aren't doing 'evil', because that's not what it says anyway. I keep it simple and conclude they only go after those who are not saved or of his bride, which is what it means to have God's seal to begin with as I understand it.


My apologies. I am not speaking of some "revived" Roman Empire, but the first "beast" as having been the Roman Empire.

You lost me with regard to the "little horn" in chapter 11. The only "little horn" that I can place right this second that would apply is the one spoken of in Daniel 7. However, there is something in Revelation that I know I am not currently able to recall with regard to this.

Unless you are referring to the what would be the "little horn" of Daniel 8 whose actions may be seen in Daniel 11.

His actions can also be seen in Daniel 7 and
revelation itself actually.

(Daniel 7:8) "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things."

(Daniel 7:24-25) "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. {25} And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

(Revelation 13:5-7) "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. {6} And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. {7} And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."



Who is clearly an "angel". Who, also is operating under the direction of "God", in that the locusts are not allowed to torment those with the seal of "God" in their foreheads. But only those who refuse to repent.

In the Exodus account, the angel which passed through or passed over was also a "destroyer".

The text is not clear IMO that this angel ascended from the abyss. I admit, there are two manners in which it may possibly be understood. One is, as you are asserting, that Abaddon came forth from the pit, as the king of the pit so to speak. Another, is that this "angel", was also perhaps the watcher over the abyss. I won't claim it to be either way.

(Revelation 9:11) "And they had a king over them, which is THE angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

He quite plainly refers to the angel that is from the bottomless pit as the king. Its pretty straight forward to me as both being one and the same person.

Hmm, I can't agree there. Of the ten horns and seven heads of said "beast":

Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.

Five are fallen. One is.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and they give their power and authority unto the beast.

IMO: The five which are fallen: Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar, Tiberius, Caligula, and Claudius.

"One is" at the time of the writing of Revelation: Nero

Nero as the "one is", places the date of the writing of Revelation within the timeframe of 54-66 [68] CE, before the destruction of the city [and probably before the burning of the city under Nero circa 66 CE] and the sanctuary as spoken of in:

Daniel 9:26 For the people of the prince that shall come ...

It was under Vespasian [the seventh], under whom the sanctuary was destroyed in his second year [cf Wars 6.4.8].

Well, actually, I believe that the seventh head from which the beast rises as the eighth will come from somewhere within the region that Rome once ruled over, in Europe. This is based on Daniel chapter 8 in fact. In that chapter, he gives a prophecy of a ram with two horns he refers to as the medo-
Persian empire. Shorty afterwards the ram gets smashed by the he goat with a large horn from the west he identifies as the Grecian empire. Its about the conquests of king Alexander which then collapses into four different horns or kingdoms which indeed Rome later took over. Its out of one of those horns that the little horn will rise. At no point does he state the little horn to be of any nationality, or even human born, but only specifies the region from which he will rise out of the bottomless pit. Therefore, he definitely won't have anything at all to do with America.

(Daniel 8:9-14) "And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. {10} And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. {11} Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. {12} And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. {13} ¶ Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? {14} And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

The duration that this little horn is said to rule in this chapter fits with the one week prophecy in Daniel 9. You believe this was already fulfilled, but that's not how Jesus Christ interpreted any of it. He saw every bit of this as purely end times prophecy.

(Matthew 24:13-21) "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. {14} And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. {15} When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand {16} Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: {17} Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: {18} Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. {19} And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! {20} But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: {21} For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."


We come to a curious point: Circa 285 CE

In 285 CE, Diocletian split the Roman Empire in half, in two.
The western Roman Empire and the eastern Roman Empire
[aka Byzantine Empire]

Enter Maximianus, who ruled with Diocletian. Maximianus,
who was briefly abdicated, and returned to reign.

1) Diocletian 284 - 305 CE
2) Maximianus 286 - 310 CE
3) Caraisius 287 - 293 CE
4) Allectus 293 - 296 CE
5) Domitius Domitianus 296 - 297 CE
6) Constantius Chlorus 305 - 306 CE
7) Galerius 305 - 311 CE
8) Maxentius 306 - 312 CE
9) Velerius Romulus 306 - 309 CE
10) Severus II 306 - 307 CE

Ten kings in the space of 22 years, ten kings, who reign but a short time.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and they give their power and authority unto the beast.


And enter Constantine the Great: 307 - 337 CE.

Here is another problem with your interpretation. Are these ten kings ruling WITH the beast or before the beast? The only way your interpretation makes sense if I were to take a strictly preterist view which claims that all of Revelation has already occurred.
 
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' miraculously ' somehow gives me hope that God had a part in the result
ha...i guess we have to admit that either one would have repped the will of the people; but what a sad statement that is, too. This is the first election that has ever been won that way, i guess. Baseball was recently completely changed in a similar manner; they made a movie about it? Which for some reason is striking me as the "good" psychometrics, being all about the actual "fruit" of a player, whereas Trump's are all about playing to a particular audiences' desires.

Guess you would have to be fam with the baseball ref though, to get that, lol. I'll try to recall the name of the movie.
Ah, Moneyball, preview: Trailer #1
movie: Watch Moneyball quanlity HD with english at Putlocker
(click play, close ad, click play again, watch movie)
 
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Face Truth!! Are you looking for Jesus to return to catch up (rapture) believers TODAY or do you think Jesus will return after the tribulation?? If so why do you think you would be ready to meet Jesus TODAY? As you think His return is years away??

*SIGH*

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Truth!!! Logic!!! and Think!!
Jesus says He is is coming for those looking for His return!!! Think! Why would Jesus say that unless those not looking for Him are left behind?? Who is Jesus coming for??===Jesus=He will come again, not to deal with our sins, but to bring salvation to """all who are eagerly waiting for him""". Hebrews 9:28 Those that believe Jesus will not return before the tribulation are not looking for Jesus to return today unless they think the tribulation years are all ready over!!!
 
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ha...i guess we have to admit that either one would have repped the will of the people; but what a sad statement that is, too. This is the first election that has ever been won that way, i guess. Baseball was recently completely changed in a similar manner; they made a movie about it? Which for some reason is striking me as the "good" psychometrics, being all about the actual "fruit" of a player, whereas Trump's are all about playing to a particular audiences' desires.

Guess you would have to be fam with the baseball ref though, to get that, lol. I'll try to recall the name of the movie.
Ah, Moneyball, preview: Trailer #1
movie: Watch Moneyball quanlity HD with english at Putlocker
(click play, close ad, click play again, watch movie)

Thanks for the link , I will try and watch it , I must admit I do not know a thing about baseball !! Lol
 
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I never differentiated who the locusts go after as those who are and aren't doing 'evil', because that's not what it says anyway. I keep it simple and conclude they only go after those who are not saved or of his bride, which is what it means to have God's seal to begin with as I understand it.
Which, isn't that also a manner of differentiation, just from a different perspective.


His actions can also be seen in Daniel 7 and revelation itself actually.
So we agree there.


He quite plainly refers to the angel that is from the bottomless pit as the king. Its pretty straight forward to me as both being one and the same person.
As I said, I won't claim it either way. That you state the angel is "from" is fine by me if that is how you understand it.

If I am understanding you correctly, an "angel" which is / was bound, is a "beast" that is given it's authority by the dragon / devil.


Well, actually, I believe that the seventh head from which the beast rises as the eighth will come from somewhere within the region that Rome once ruled over, in Europe.
From my perspective, the seventh is one of the heads of the same "beast". The "beast" that was / is / shall is an eighth that is out of the seven. That eighth, is a "beast" that is a head of the "beast" which had seven and ten.


Perhaps this is the source of my not following you correctly.


This is based on Daniel chapter 8 in fact. In that chapter, he gives a prophecy of a ram with two horns he refers to as the medo-Persian empire. Shorty afterwards the ram gets smashed by the he goat with a large horn from the west he identifies as the Grecian empire. Its about the conquests of king Alexander which then collapses into four different horns or kingdoms which indeed Rome later took over. Its out of one of those horns that the little horn will rise. At no point does he state the little horn to be of any nationality, or even human born, but only specifies the region from which he will rise out of the bottomless pit. Therefore, he definitely won't have anything at all to do with America.
Here we digress. For in Daniel 8, there is a distinct "little horn" from out of the four that are Greece. That "little horn" is a distinct and different "little horn" from the one from out the ten spoken of in Daniel 7, which is Rome.
There is a "little horn" during the time Greece. And another from out of the ten of Rome.


The duration that this little horn is said to rule in this chapter fits with the one week prophecy in Daniel 9.
I have to ask you to be a little more clear here. You are obviously referring to the "little horn" of Daniel 8, which was out of the four that were Greece.



You believe this was already fulfilled, but that's not how Jesus Christ interpreted any of it. He saw every bit of this as purely end times prophecy.
Here, it would seem that as I have not understood you in places, or am in need of more clarity, that I must make clear my understanding:


I do not believe that was fulfilled by the time of Christ. The "little horn" of Daniel 8 from out of Greece as fulfilled. That had occurred. However the "little horn" out of the ten, out of Rome, was yet to be at the time of Christ.


Here is another problem with your interpretation. Are these ten kings ruling WITH the beast or before the beast?
Here, based upon our different understandings, is where I need clarification from you. For from my perspective, they are "with" the "beast", though perhaps not in the manner you understand it. For it is from out of these ten, that the "little horn" of Daniel 7 comes forth [cf Dan 7:24].


The only way your interpretation makes sense if I were to take a strictly preterist view which claims that all of Revelation has already occurred.

Like I said, while not a preterist, I am nearly a preterist. And all of Revelation has clearly not occurred.
 
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Thanks for the link , I will try and watch it , I must admit I do not know a thing about baseball !! Lol
oh, that isn't really necessary; i mostly included the movie because it was good, and based on a true story. The point is really that a World Series was almost won on data, and how it changed the game
 

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Here we digress. For in Daniel 8, there is a distinct "little horn" from out of the four that are Greece. That "little horn" is a distinct and different "little horn" from the one from out the ten spoken of in Daniel 7, which is Rome.
There is a "little horn" during the time Greece. And another from out of the ten of Rome.

I would be in agreement with this, if Daniel 7 wasn't all about the end times. For your theory to work, the little horn in Daniel 7 would have to be described as a kingdom, which it isn't, its described as distinct from the rest as an individual that, in the end will get tossed in the fire along with Satan and the false prophet.

Here, it would seem that as I have not understood you in places, or am in need of more clarity, that I must make clear my understanding:

I do not believe that was fulfilled by the time of Christ. The "little horn" of Daniel 8 from out of Greece as fulfilled. That had occurred. However the "little horn" out of the ten, out of Rome, was yet to be at the time of Christ.

Well, again, Jesus Christ disagrees with you about all of Daniel 8 being fulfilled already. I'll believe what my savior thought on the matter before anyone else. He makes understanding the book a little easier for me.

Here, based upon our different understandings, is where I need clarification from you. For from my perspective, they are "with" the "beast", though perhaps not in the manner you understand it. For it is from out of these ten, that the "little horn" of Daniel 7 comes forth [cf Dan 7:24].

Actually, there is a bit of an error on my part in my understanding of John's statement that he is "of the seventh". You see, as I kind of said before, the seven heads aren't actually described as kingdoms, but as seven kings or individuals. The reason the beast himself is described as one of them goes all the way back to Revelation 13 where he dies and rises again.

(Revelation 13:2-3) "And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. {3} And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."

(Revelation 17:8) "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

In other words, the beast that was alive, and then was not as the seventh horn, even he is of the eight because he rose again, and shall be tossed into the fire. The only actual kingdoms being described in both Daniel and Revelation are the lion, the bear, the leopard, and the beast that both the ten horns, or ten kings, and the little horn rose out of. And like I've been saying, I believe there is a difference between the way Daniel describes the four beast kingdoms versus John that everyone seems to miss. Daniel describes the four beasts rising out of the sea as diverse from one another, after which the little horn rises out of the fourth one. John however, describes the four beasts as one beast, which I believe is well after the little horn makes an appearance, because I keep it real simple and believe John when he plainly refers to Apollyon as "the beast that ascends out of the pit" back in chapter 11. This is where much of the confusion comes from concerning the beast kingdoms, versus the beast that's gets tossed into the fire.

(Daniel 7:11-12) "I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. {12} As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time."
 
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imo it is basically a crime, what churches do to people. They mostly seem to crank out compliant fascists, and that we are living in an Empire in the Decline/Decadence stage is never even addressed. Instead, the emperors are exalted, and anyone who disagrees becomes "lost."
 

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I would be in agreement with this, if Daniel 7 wasn't all about the end times. For your theory to work, the little horn in Daniel 7 would have to be described as a kingdom, which it isn't,

I am beginning to better understand your position. From my perspective, it doesn't require the little horn of Daniel 7 to be described as a kingdom. For he is a horn / king / leader of the fourth beast / kingdom / nation who comes out of the ten.


its described as distinct from the rest as an individual that, in the end will get tossed in the fire along with Satan and the false prophet.

Daniel 7 is not quite indicative of that from my perspective. Add in Revelation 13, and we still do not have quite that indication. It is not until we get to Revelation 17, that we get such an indication. Personally, I am not convinced that the little horn of Daniel 7 and the eighth / beast / perdition are one in the same.


Well, again, Jesus Christ disagrees with you about all of Daniel 8 being fulfilled already. I'll believe what my savior thought on the matter before anyone else. He makes understanding the book a little easier for me.

Like I said: Daniel 7 was still future at the time of Jesus. Daniel 8, was fulfilled during the time of Greece, through Antiochus Epiphanes IV.


Actually, there is a bit of an error on my part in my understanding of John's statement that he is "of the seventh". You see, as I kind of said before, the seven heads aren't actually described as kingdoms, but as seven kings or individuals. The reason the beast himself is described as one of them goes all the way back to Revelation 13 where he dies and rises again.


Yes, seven heads or individuals that rule over and during the same beast / kingdom. As for Revelation 13, one of the heads was mortally wounded, I don't see it necessarily dieing and rising again. Rather that whatever the wound was, the beast itself survived the wound. However, neither do I have all the answers. There are some things that I know, others, I can only speculate with regard unto. I have a theory regarding the mortal wound / slain, however as I can not prove it, I shall omit it here.


In other words, the beast that was alive, and then was not as the seventh horn, even he is of the eight because he rose again, and shall be tossed into the fire. The only actual kingdoms being described in both Daniel and Revelation are the lion, the bear, the leopard, and the beast that both the ten horns, or ten kings, and the little horn rose out of.

Here we digress. In Daniel, it is Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Babylon fell to the wayside under Belshazzar, son of Nabonidus [cf Dan 5:30]. From there, enter Darius the Mede [circa 539 BCE]. Now we enter the Medo-Persian kingdom, the second beast of Daniel.

An inscription found in Ur in 1853 confirms the above, it reads: "May it be that I, Nabonidus, king of Babylon, never fail you. And may my firtstborn, Belshazzar ... "

Darius the Mede [not king], 62 years of age. There is no Darius the Mede in external texts that I have found. According to external historical records, we come upon Gubaru [a Mede] who was appointed by King Cyrus to be ruler over Babylon. Gubaru is said to have born circa 601 BCE which makes him 62 circa 539 BCE [cf Dan 5:31].

According to the Babylonian record:
"In the month of Tashritu, at the time when Cyrus battled the forces of Akkad in Opis on the Tigris river, the citizens of Akkad revolted against him, but Nabonidus scattered his opposition with a great slaughter. On the 14th day, Sippar was taken without a fight. Nabonidus then fled for his life. On the 16th day, Gubaru [Darius the Mede] the leader of Gutium along with the army of Cyrus entered Babylon without any opposition. Later they arrested Nabonidus
when he returned to Babylon. ... Cyrus then sent his best wishes to the residents living there. His governor, Gubaru, then installed leaders to govern over all Babylon." [cf Dan 6:1-7].

King Cyrus of Persia records of Belshazzar:
"A coward was put in charge as the king ... with evil intent he did away with ... and desecrated the worship of the king of his gods, Marduk."

According to the historians Xenophon, Berosus and Herodutus: "Cyrus then dug a trench and diverted the flow of the Euphrates river into the new channel which led to a swamp. The level of
the river then dropped to such a level that it became like a stream. His army was then able to take the city by marching through the shallow waters ... The Babylonians at the time were
celebrating a feast to one of their gods and they were taken by total surprise."

The Babylonian Chronicles state that Babylon fell the equivalent date of Oct. 13 of the year 539 BCE.

So now we are up to circa 539 BCE with Gubaru ruling over Babylon as appointed by King Cyrus of Persia.

Josephus records in Ant. 10.11.4:
"but when Babylon was taken by Darius, and when he, with his kinsman Cyrus, had put an end to the dominion of the Babylonians, he was sixty-two years old. He was the son of Astyages, and had another name among the Greeks" [What that name was, is not known. However,
from the Babylonian Record, we see Gubaru].

The same Darius [Gubaru] who threw Daniel to the lions only to make the decree in of Daniel 6:25-27. And Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian [cf Dan 6:28].


Circa 334 BCE Alexander invades Persia ruled Asia Minor in a series of campaigns that lasts ten years.

Circa 336 BCE, Philip II of Macedon is assassinated and Alexander the Great takes the throne. The first king and prominent horn of the he-goat. Circa 332 BCE, Alexander overthrows Darius III, king of Persia and conquers the entirety of the Persian Empire. Later in 332 BCE Alexander advances upon Egypt. Circa 331 BCE Alexander advances into Mesopotamia.

Circa June of 323 BCE, Alexander dies of unknown causes. Many theories of poisonings / various diseases abound.

War ensued within the kingdom of Greece with various factions all vying for power until it finally settled into four parts:

North : Asia Minor ; Lysimachus

West : Macedonia ; Cassander

East : Syria ; Selecus. Out of which came Antiochus Epiphanes IV, who reigned circa 175 - 164 BCE. The Selecid Empire fell under Pompey of the Roman Republic circa 63 BCE.

South : Egypt ; Ptolemy. Which was invaded by Antiochus Epiphanes IV circa 170 BCE with AE IV leaving Ptolemy as a puppet king. After years of war the southern kingdom allied itself for Rome for 150 years only to eventually succomb and be annexed by Rome.

Now we have the four horns in place of the great horn that was broken off [cf Dan 8:22]. All of these, are of the beast which was Greece. They are still part of the third beast out of the sea.

AE IV made war and invaded the South circa 170 BCE, capturing Ptolemy, and leaving him as a puppet king. Circa 167 BCE, AE IV returns to Jerusalem, outlawed Jewish customs and sparked the Maccabean revolt circa 167-160 BCE.

AE IV meets his demise circa 164 BCE.

AE IV was the little horn from out of the four [cf Dan 8:9] He is the one spoken of in Daniel 11:32-45.

Again, this is all still a part of the third beast out of the sea, the he-goat, which is Greece.

The fourth beast out of the sea, having ten horns, out of which also comes a little horn [cf Dan 7:7-8] had not as of that time come to pass. That beast is Rome.

Aside from being prophesied of by Daniel, nowhere within Daniel are the exploits of Rome accounted for. Under AE IV, the sanctuary was desecrated, but not destroyed of which Daniel 9:26 is clear that the temple would be destroyed, which it was under Rome. It is during this time, that the abomination of desolation that Jesus spoke of was to come.

The book of Revelation takes off in describing the 4th beast out of the sea as spoken of by Daniel. The beast with 10 horns, from out of which comes a second little horn. All of which, were yet to be at the writing of Revelation.

Yeah, I did it again, get overly verbose and long winded.

To be continued