Richard_oti
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Yes, they are "loosed". Bound at the great river Euphrates, and had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, that they should kill the third part of men.The four angels are "loosed", which means that like Apollyon they certainly aren't roaming about freely until that point, so I think its at least safe to conclude that they are fallen. They are given command over Apollyon's two hundred million strong army of 'locusts' to lay to waste any that gets in his way.
However, they like the locusts, are not allowed to harm those with the seal of "God" in their foreheads. Those that were "tormented" and "killed", were those who refused to repent. Thus, these four "angels" are working for "God". They are only harming those who do evil.
My apologies. I am not speaking of some "revived" Roman Empire, but the first "beast" as having been the Roman Empire.The first beast IS Apollyon, scripture is quite clear on this. I don't know where people get this idea about some revived Roman Empire. John identifies who the first beast is, the little horn way back in chapter 11.
You lost me with regard to the "little horn" in chapter 11. The only "little horn" that I can place right this second that would apply is the one spoken of in Daniel 7. However, there is something in Revelation that I know I am not currently able to recall with regard to this.
Unless you are referring to the what would be the "little horn" of Daniel 8 whose actions may be seen in Daniel 11.
Who is clearly an "angel". Who, also is operating under the direction of "God", in that the locusts are not allowed to torment those with the seal of "God" in their foreheads. But only those who refuse to repent.Who else ascended out of the bottomless pit but Apollyon?
In the Exodus account, the angel which passed through or passed over was also a "destroyer".
The text is not clear IMO that this angel ascended from the abyss. I admit, there are two manners in which it may possibly be understood. One is, as you are asserting, that Abaddon came forth from the pit, as the king of the pit so to speak. Another, is that this "angel", was also perhaps the watcher over the abyss. I won't claim it to be either way.
Hmm, I can't agree there. Of the ten horns and seven heads of said "beast":He is only later called the seven headed ten horned beast because he is given his power and authority over every nation by the seven headed ten horned dragon.
Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.
Five are fallen. One is.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and they give their power and authority unto the beast.
IMO: The five which are fallen: Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar, Tiberius, Caligula, and Claudius.
"One is" at the time of the writing of Revelation: Nero
Nero as the "one is", places the date of the writing of Revelation within the timeframe of 54-66 [68] CE, before the destruction of the city [and probably before the burning of the city under Nero circa 66 CE] and the sanctuary as spoken of in:
Daniel 9:26 For the people of the prince that shall come ...
It was under Vespasian [the seventh], under whom the sanctuary was destroyed in his second year [cf Wars 6.4.8].
We come to a curious point: Circa 285 CE
In 285 CE, Diocletian split the Roman Empire in half, in two.
The western Roman Empire and the eastern Roman Empire
[aka Byzantine Empire]
Enter Maximianus, who ruled with Diocletian. Maximianus,
who was briefly abdicated, and returned to reign.
1) Diocletian 284 - 305 CE
2) Maximianus 286 - 310 CE
3) Caraisius 287 - 293 CE
4) Allectus 293 - 296 CE
5) Domitius Domitianus 296 - 297 CE
6) Constantius Chlorus 305 - 306 CE
7) Galerius 305 - 311 CE
8) Maxentius 306 - 312 CE
9) Velerius Romulus 306 - 309 CE
10) Severus II 306 - 307 CE
Ten kings in the space of 22 years, ten kings, who reign but a short time.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but they receive authority as kings, with the beast, for one hour.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and they give their power and authority unto the beast.
And enter Constantine the Great: 307 - 337 CE.