Did God Need Jesus' Sacrifice to Make You Acceptable to Him?

[Miss Hepburn]

''His righteous nature would demand justice''...Stranger

ya, no, that is strictly your righteous nature, not God's, sorry

My goodness, Stranger..I would hate to be your child...and esp your dog.
I must admit...you scare me....you scare me that you are in this world I am in...that
you could be my neighbor and don't know it.
i would hate to have 'defied you' and reached into the cookie jar and come home muddy!!!!

I'm sorry if this effects you adversely...I don't mean to hurt you ...or to cause you to now kick your dog or react in road rage...but you scare me.

 

[Miss Hepburn]

ha, not sure if you got beat too much as a kid, or not enough lol.

Well, I'm not lol, though....I thought the same thing, bbyrd!!
This is what people that have had this kind of 'justice' as a child dished out to them,
that now think this way...
This is not a good thing.
Stranger, you have my sympathies...tho, at the moment that sentence may make you indignant and mad.
If it does...that is the enemy...and not your true self...which is sweet and pure and innocent.

 

[Ally.s.j]

at some point it becomes rather obvious that you are not even having a conversation, yes?

Yes as happens in most of strangers posts

 

[Ally.s.j]

You have an educated eye...English major by chance?

What God has done? Or, perhaps what He allowed men to carry out in their utter, usual ignorance?
With men thinking it was all 'demanded and desired' from our Father...
The very same primitive thinking that believed killing innocent little animals
pleased this Creator and Maintainer of billions of galaxies?
Um, sorry I had to leave that belief in the dust.
BUT...anyone can believe what they choose. Not up to me, don't care....not my job.

left school with nothing at 15

 

[Ally.s.j]

They do prove that Christ's sacrifice was needed by God in order to have the believer saved and acceptable before Him. There was absolutely no other way. Just as I showed you in (Rom. 3:26) "...that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

God could not ever just say it is ok for you to enter heaven and dwell in my presence eternally. His righteous nature would demand justice. His righteous nature would judge and condemn any who came before him a sinner. Just like what will happen to those who come without Christ. He had to provide a salvation whereby His righteousness was appeased. No other way would work.

So, you see? God is bound by His own righteous nature in all that He does. He has to be 'just' in all that He does. If He isn't then He isn't just. It is impossible for God to allow anyone in Heaven who is not a believer. It is impossible for a believer in Christ to not enter heaven. It is impossible for God to sin.

God has done it because it was what was needed to be done.

Stranger

You are adding a whole lot that is not what we are talking about. I know all you are saying and its gospel truth. All I am saying is God could have done it other ways if He wanted to. what if you learn yes He could have done it millions of other ways. Does this not expand our ubderstanding of how deep the love of the Father for us, even more than ever. We know all the verses you are quoting and belive them. BUT none of them say what you are trying to make them say. Because yopu are afraid we are taking something away from Christs sacrifice or Gods will. nither is true. Just stop and thing lightly on the matter at hand.

 

[Dcopymope]

You are adding a whole lot that is not what we are talking about. I know all you are saying and its gospel truth. All I am saying is God could have done it other ways if He wanted to. what if you learn yes He could have done it millions of other ways. Does this not expand our ubderstanding of how deep the love of the Father for us, even more than ever. We know all the verses you are quoting and belive them. BUT none of them say what you are trying to make them say. Because yopu are afraid we are taking something away from Christs sacrifice or Gods will. nither is true. Just stop and thing lightly on the matter at hand.

What other ways could he have accomplished the atonement for our sins if not by Christ's sacrifice?

 

[Stranger]

''His righteous nature would demand justice''...Stranger
My goodness, Stranger..I would hate to be your child...and esp your dog.
I must admit...you scare me....you scare me that you are in this world I am in...that
you could be my neighbor and don't know it.
i would hate to have 'defied you' and reached into the cookie jar and come home muddy!!!!

I'm sorry if this effects you adversely...I don't mean to hurt you ...or to cause you to now kick your dog or react in road rage...but you scare me.

Your views of me have no effect upon me. Perhaps you're scared of what Scripture says instead of me.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

You are adding a whole lot that is not what we are talking about. I know all you are saying and its gospel truth. All I am saying is God could have done it other ways if He wanted to. what if you learn yes He could have done it millions of other ways. Does this not expand our ubderstanding of how deep the love of the Father for us, even more than ever. We know all the verses you are quoting and belive them. BUT none of them say what you are trying to make them say. Because yopu are afraid we are taking something away from Christs sacrifice or Gods will. nither is true. Just stop and thing lightly on the matter at hand.

No, you are the one adding. Where do you get the idea that God could accomplish the salvation He does any other way? Why would God choose such a torturous death for His Son if there was any other way? No...it is you and others that are adding lies about God.

Stranger

 

[Miss Hepburn]

left school with nothing at 15

Well, I can see why...you didn't need school!

 

[Miss Hepburn]

Your views of me have no effect upon me. Perhaps you're scared of what Scripture says instead of me.
Stranger

Good, I'm glad they didn't have any effect on you..I blurted that out when i
should have kept my thoughts to myself!!! 24 years in relationship with a therapist!
Words in books don't scare me, just sayin'...and God never will...
He's my loving Dad.

 

[Dcopymope]

No, you are the one adding. Where do you get the idea that God could accomplish the salvation He does any other way? Why would God choose such a torturous death for His Son if there was any other way? No...it is you and others that are adding lies about God.

Stranger

People forget that Jesus Christ himself asked the Father to take the responsibility for the atonement away from him. If people are wondering if there could have been another way, then they needn't look any further than the scripture below to see that the answer to that question is a resounding no. Jesus Christ being the word made flesh had to be the sacrifice. Anything less would not work, because for one, the sacrifice had to be a human born of the seed of the woman, since it was by the first human that sin entered the world to begin with, yet he also had to be one made without hands, without blemish. It had to be one who knew no sin because from God's vantage point, every human that ever has and ever will exist have sinned and fallen short of his glory.

(Luke 22:39-46) "¶ And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him. {40} And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation. {41} And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, {42} Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. {43} And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. {44} And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. {45} And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow, {46} And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation."

 

[mjrhealth]

Why did God do it that way, simple,

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Look at the great sacrifice He did for us, and still you have men running around boasting of how great they are. I dont understand why it is that "christians" seem to delite in belittling the wonderful work that Christ did for us.

 

[Stranger]

Good, I'm glad they didn't have any effect on you..I blurted that out when i
should have kept my thoughts to myself!!! 24 years in relationship with a therapist!
Words in books don't scare me, just sayin'...and God never will...
He's my loving Dad.

You should express yourself. I have no problem with that. It is just that I am not effected personally by anything said on a forum. So, don't keep your thoughts to yourself. Express them honestly.

I do hope you see the Bible as the Word of God, and something more than just words in a book.

If God is your Father, and I certainly believe He is, and the Bible is the Word of God, which it is, why do you seem so opposed to it?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

People forget that Jesus Christ himself asked the Father to take the responsibility for the atonement away from him. If people are wondering if there could have been another way, then they needn't look any further than the scripture below to see that the answer to that question is a resounding no. Jesus Christ being the word made flesh had to be the sacrifice. Anything less would not work, because for one, the sacrifice had to be a human born of the seed of the woman, since it was by the first human that sin entered the world to begin with, yet he also had to be one made without hands, without blemish. It had to be one who knew no sin because from God's vantage point, every human that ever has and ever will exist have sinned and fallen short of his glory.

Indeed, there was no other way. If there had been the Father would have certainly taken it.

Stranger

 

[Miss Hepburn]

You should express yourself. I have no problem with that. It is just that I am not effected personally by anything said on a forum. So, don't keep your thoughts to yourself. Express them honestly.

I do hope you see the Bible as the Word of God, and something more than just words in a book.

If God is your Father, and I certainly believe He is, and the Bible is the Word of God, which it is, why do you seem so opposed to it?

Hmm,now you sound like my ex...very level headed.Thank you.
Why do I seem so opposed to words from some questionable sources that make my loving Father, Whom I know very personally, into a vengeful, mean, angry, immature, killing machine?
Well, because they come from a place of savage, ignorant concepts, formulated out of fear, made up to explain what was not understood by primitive minds.
God, the Lord of all creation is nothing but love.

Did He brilliantly set up a system of checks and balances that are just and fair?
Yes, filled with lessons fashioned with intricate, personalized care...but, with brutal, barbaric needs ... no.

 

[Ally.s.j]

Well, I can see why...you didn't need school!

Haha ha. Nice come back. I can see you have the gift of encourager. I need to read more of your posts. I could say bless you. But this is better . You are already blessed.

 

[Ally.s.j]

What other ways could he have accomplished the atonement for our sins if not by Christ's sacrifice?

Thats not the question. I dont know of any other way known to man. The question is could God have done. Not me.

 

[Ally.s.j]

No, you are the one adding. Where do you get the idea that God could accomplish the salvation He does any other way? Why would God choose such a torturous death for His Son if there was any other way? No...it is you and others that are adding lies about God.

Stranger

Its a simple idea stright from the word of God. Nothing is impossible with God. Not my idea at all. but its fun watching you try to provide what you cant defend with scripture. we are not talking about whats known to man. we are talking about God.
You do not have scripture that says anything like. God could not have done anything else. or God had no other way. I know all the scriptures telling us whats not available or is avaliable to man. We aint talking about man. Think this is the part you are tripping up on. Tell me what God cant do?

 

[Ally.s.j]

Perhaps you're scared of what Scripture says instead of me.

Stranger

Even that statement of scripture gives a little clue to your back ground, your thinking and your lack of understanding the love of the Father. I said already. you dont know the love of Christ or you would not talk the way you do. Hurt people hurt people and you throw out a lotta hurt on the forums here. Your just angry hurtfull and vindictive in you commuinicating amoung the brothers. But I can reassure you. That is not what You are in Christ. You are so much more than all of that. God loves you. You are the pearl of great worth to Him.

 

[Stranger]

Hmm,now you sound like my ex...very level headed.Thank you.
Why do I seem so opposed to words from some questionable sources that make my loving Father, Whom I know very personally, into a vengeful, mean, angry, immature, killing machine?
Well, because they come from a place of savage, ignorant concepts, formulated out of fear, made up to explain what was not understood by primitive minds.
God, the Lord of all creation is nothing but love.

Did He brilliantly set up a system of checks and balances that are just and fair?
Yes, filled with lessons fashioned with intricate, personalized care...but, with brutal, barbaric needs ... no.

I see.

You use a Bible verse in your posts, "delight in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart". Is that an 'ignorant concept'?

Is Jesus Christ an ignorant concept?

How do you know that God is nothing but love?

Stranger