Is it time for Christians to become more accepting towards muslims in politics?

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When any law is inforce, whether a secular or relgious law it is never voluntary.
well, this is one perspective, certainly, and a one dimensional denial would not really be adequate to the concept imo, but briefly speaking, i must disagree, bc when i obey the law even though i could get away with breaking it, it is then voluntary, is it not?
You may claim to obey 'voluntarily' in reality you either obey or take the consquences.
becomes null and void in the above case, at least as near as i can tell
 

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Where sharia law is enforces everyone is covered by it, muslims, Christians and pagans alike.
imo it would be better to leave Sharia out of this for the moment at least, simply because there are more than one interpretation of Sharia, and "enforced" does not fit with the moderate one, in my experience. One could tell the Mullah to get bent, see, and no legal consequences would be forthcoming.

And furthermore, where Sharia is "enforced," in my understanding no others are allowed to live, besides Muslims; others are persecuted by this USA inspired version of Sharia, that we propagate and support, see. Either by segregation (SA) or obliteration (Iran)
 

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imo it would be better to leave Sharia out of this for the moment at least, simply because there are more than one interpretation of Sharia, and "enforced" does not fit with the moderate one, in my experience. One could tell the Mullah to get bent, see, and no legal consequences would be forthcoming.

And furthermore, where Sharia is "enforced," in my understanding no others are allowed to live, besides Muslims; others are persecuted by this USA inspired version of Sharia, that we propagate and support, see. Either by segregation (SA) or obliteration (Iran)
Sharia allows for certain groups, mainly the people of the book to live as 2nd class people paying protection money and with many restrictions.

If you are interested try answeringislam.
 
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no, still not interested, but ty
Sharia allows for certain groups, mainly the people of the book to live as 2nd class people paying protection money and with many restrictions.

If you are interested try answeringislam.
what really interests me in this venue tbh is why you pursue this, and do not pursue the apparently (or obviously) more meaningful pertinent thread above? i am getting a lot of this all of the sudden, and @aspen and i have even been having a convo about it. BAM take this rhetorically if you like, just an observation.
 

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Oh. You might wan't to ask a policeman what a no-go zone is. He'll know for sure since HE is not allowed there.

Well said. Up north they have whole towns now which are practically "No-Go"..and as you say even the police don't/can't/wont go there.
 
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Well said. Up north they have towns no which are practically "No-Go"..and as you say even the police don't/can't/wont go there.
See By Grace, even persons that MAYBE haven't been to London know what's going on there...
Too bad not all do and don't even know what it means...

And I like how you said "don't/can't/won't go there".
All true. All three.
 
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I don't think I care to.
You could ask your husband, or his family, or someone in London when you're there next trip.

Oh. You might wan't to ask a policeman what a no-go zone is. He'll know for sure since HE is not allowed there.

So there are ‘Muslim-controlled’ areas in London where police can’t go? Where? Nobody can tell me and the London Metropolitan Police explicitly says there is none: Met blasts Donald Trump for 'London police in fear' claim

If all it had to offer was pearly kings, it would be much more livable.
For instance, persons wouldn't be worried about having a knife stuck somewhere in them as the innocently walk a street, any street.

But what do I know?
YOU are the London expert...

You’re kidding me! Granted: Pearly Kings are the charming side of Cockney. But Cockney gangs have been famous for their gang-wars and stabbings. London is probably a lot safer now than it was back in the days of the Kray-Brothers and co., but if you are scared of that kind of thing there’s just one advice: don’t live in a big city but move to the country.

First, I don't really care if you get my name wrong. I have a thick skin too. But there IS another poster here by the name of By Grace, and golly, she's a whole lot nicer than I ever will be.

Second, no problem with the German thing. You know me - haven't been anywhere, don't know anybody there. No problem. I just like to dream things up for arguments sake... Also, you don't need to throw rules at me. We have moderators here that are rather good at doing their job. If you're NOT a muslim, you could just say so. I happen to have a friend that's a muslim. OH NO!!!


Well, I wouldn’t post in a Christian-only forum, if I was Muslim, would I? Also I did explicitly state my Christian denomination here. And with all due respect to my Muslim friends: while they regard the Bible as a Holy Book, they can usually no more quote from it than I can quote from the Qu’ran. So how come, you thought I was Muslim? Just because I defend Muslims against hate-speech?


Anyway, glad we got that settled. And it’s nice to hear you’ve got a Muslim friend, too. I assume you don’t live in constant fear of your friend wanting to chop your head off. So how come you seem to think all of the other 1.8 billion Muslims of this world are out to get you?

Third, THIS Christian will not go quietly to have her head chopped off.
Some kind of fight will happen, either physically or phychologically, or whatever.

You like martyrs ? Nice.
I like ALIVE Christians. Which is how it SHOULD be.

Instead of being for martyrs, why not demand that Christians be allowed to live???
Oh I’m not saying you should actively seek out martyrdom. I’m just saying that it’s the default-mode of Christianity to prefer martyrdom over retaliation.

Now I too prefer alive Christians over dead ones, just as I prefer alive Muslims over dead ones, alive Jews over dead ones, alive Hindus over dead ones … God shows no partiality. I’m sure He detests all hate-preaching, war-mongering and murder alike, no matter which religion or ethnicity it is coming from.
 

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@junobet

I really would like to stop talking about this. It gets me rather upset.
I don't know why I might know MORE about London or Britain than you do.
Just to set the record straight, I've been to London several times and have friends there. The lucky ones live on the Isle of White. The ones living in the Norther parts of London (several) are VERY UNHAPPY with what's going on there. Not because they don't like muslims, per se, but because of how their LIFE IS CHANGING.
If YOU don't see the change, well, God bless your heart.
I also have been to Germany and have a dear friend in Berlin.
Ditto. Not to speak of what over New Year's Eve there in 2016-2017.
And many other such incidents WHICH DID NOT HAPPEN BEFORE the migration.
Sweden is a mess and they don't know what to do about it.
Read about it on google. I really don't like to watch movies about this stuff, imagine hearing real women found dead in woods in all sorts of manner.

Here is just one article. There are PLENTY. Just ask Professor Google.
He knows everything...
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  • "There's things that I see when I'm driving around Birmingham that shouldn't be happening. I only drive into these areas, never actually walk into these areas, I just wouldn't. Just in case I did do something that...because of their culture or their religion it was a threat or it was an insult or something." — Resident of Birmingham.

  • "There are some communities born under other skies who will not involve the police at all... there are communities from other cultures who would prefer to police themselves." — Sir Tom Winsor, chief inspector of the police forces in England and Wales.

  • "We are sleepwalking our way to segregation. We are becoming strangers to each other and leaving communities to be marooned outside the mainstream." — Trevor Phillips, former chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality.

  • "One of the results of [multiculturalism] has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up and also to turn already separate communities into 'no-go' areas where adherence to this ideology [of Islamic extremism] has become a mark of acceptability." — Michael Nazir-Ali, former Bishop of Rochester.
This is the second article in a multi-part series documenting so-called no-go zones in Europe. The first article in this series documents no-go zones in France. This second segment focuses on the United Kingdom. It provides a brief compilation of references to British no-go zones by academic, police, media and government sources.

part 1
 

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An erroneous claim on American television that Birmingham, England, is "totally Muslim" and off-limits to non-Muslims has ignited a politically charged debate about the existence of no-go zones in Britain and other European countries.

No-go zones can be defined as Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are de facto off limits to non-Muslims due to a number of factors, including the lawlessness, insecurity or religious intimidation that often pervades these areas.

In some no-go zones, host-country authorities are unable or unwilling to provide even basic public aid, such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services, out of fear of being attacked by Muslim gangs that sometimes claim control over such areas.

Muslim enclaves in European cities are also breeding grounds for Islamic radicalism.

Europe's no-go zones are the by-product of decades of multicultural policies that have encouraged Muslim immigrants to remain segregated from — rather than become integrated into — their European host nations.

The problem of no-go zones is well documented, but multiculturalists and their politically correct supporters vehemently deny that they exist. Some are now engaged in a concerted campaign to discredit and even silence those who draw attention to the issue — often by deliberately mischaracterizing the term "no-go zone."

Islam expert Andrew C. McCarthy has offered a lucid clarification of what no-go zones are and of what they are not:

"[N]o sensible person is saying that state authorities are prohibited from entering no-go zones as a matter of law. The point is that they are severely discouraged from entering as a matter of fact — and the degree of discouragement varies directly with the density of the Muslim population and its radical component. Ditto for non-Muslim lay people: It is not that they are not permitted to enter these enclaves; it is that they avoid entering because doing so is dangerous if they are flaunting Western modes of dress and conduct.

"White Flight"
In the United Kingdom, much of the debate over no-go zones — in Britain they are sometimes referred to as "Muslim areas" or "Muslim enclaves" — has focused on "white flight," the large-scale migration of native white Britons out of a given neighborhood as more and more Muslim and other immigrants move in.

Although the issue of "white flight" remains taboo for British multiculturalists, official statistics and academic research confirm that many British cities are undergoing huge demographic transformations due to mass immigration.

A study by Oxford Professor David Coleman showed that if current immigration levels continue, white Britons will be a minority in little more than 50 years — within the lifespan of most young adults alive today. Coleman warned that this will be accompanied by a total change in national identity—cultural, political, economic and religious. He wrote: "The ethnic transformation implicit in current trends would be a major, unlooked-for, and irreversible change in British society, unprecedented for at least a millennium."

A recent study by the think tank Demos found that native white Britons are increasingly abandoning parts of the country where Muslim immigrants have become the majority of the population. Demos wrote:

"In these areas, departing white British are replaced by immigration or by the natural growth of the minority population. Over time, the end result of this process is a spiral of white British demographic decline."

An example of this trend is Birmingham. In August 2007, researchers at Manchester University predicted that the number of native white Britons in Birmingham would drop by nearly one-fifth over the next 20 years, from 65% in 2006 to 48% in 2027. At the same time, the number of Pakistanis in the city would nearly quadruple, increasing from 13% in 2006 to 48% in 2027.

In January 2013, Manchester University statistician Ludi Simpson analyzed official data from the 2011 census and found that native white Britons are already a minority in Leicester (45%), Luton (45%) and Slough (35%). He also forecast that they would be a minority in Birmingham by 2019, nearly a decade earlier than the previous estimate.
 

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Muslim Enclaves in Britain
An analysis of 2011 census data reveals the existence of more than 100 Muslim enclaves in Britain. The Muslim population exceeds 85% in some parts of Blackburn and 70% in a half-dozen wards in Birmingham and Bradford. There are also large Muslim communities in Dewsbury, Leicester, London, Luton and Manchester, among others.

Birmingham: Bordesley Green (includes Small Heath) (73.9%); Hodge Hill (includes areas of Saltley and Ward End) (41.5%); Ladywood (35.2%); Lozells and East Handsworth (48.9%); Nechells (43.5%); Sparkbrook (includes Sparkhill) (70.2%); Washwood Heath (includes Alum Rock) (77.3%).

Blackburn with Darwen: Audley (68.7%); Bastwell (85.3%); Corporation Park (62.6%); Little Harwood (51.9%); Queen's Park (51.5%); Shear Brow (77.7%); Wensley Fold (39.8%)

Bolton (Greater Manchester): Crompton (32.7 %); Great Lever (36.6%); Halliwell (27.9%); Rumworth (51.8%)

Bradford (West Yorkshire): Bowling and Barkerend (45.8%); Bradford Moor (72.8%); City (57.3%); Great Horton (42.8%); Heaton (55.9%); Keighley Central (51.2%); Little Horton (58.0%); Manningham (75.0%); Toller (76.1%)

Brent: Barnhill (23.3%); Dollis Hill (31.3%); Dudden Hill (23.5%); Harlesden (21.8%); Stonebridge (28.2%)

Dewsbury (West Yorkshire): Dewsbury South (including Savile Town) (43.8%); Dewsbury West (46.7%)

Leeds: Gipton and Harehills (33.2%)

Leicester: Charnwood (38.7%); Coleman (39.7%); Spinney Hills (69.6%); Stoneygate (50.2%)

London Borough of Enfield: Edmonton Green (29.1%); Haselbury (25.7%); Jubilee (24.1%); Lower Edmonton (24.1%); Ponders End (29.0%); Upper Edmonton (26.4%)

London Borough of Tower Hamlets: Bethnal Green South (45.7%); Bromley-by-Bow (48.7%); East India and Lansbury (42.9%); Limehouse (35.5%); Mile End and Globe Town (34.3%); Mile End East (45.9%); Shadwell (46.7%); Spitalfields and Banglatown (38.6%); St Dunstan's and Stepney Green (48.7%); Weavers (30.3%); and Whitechapel (42.4%).

London Borough of Newham: Boleyn (40.5%); East Ham Central (39.6%); East Ham North (50.1%); Green Street East (49.1%); Green Street West (50.4%); Little Ilford (44.8%); Manor Park (45.4%); Wall End (33.9%)

London Borough of Redbridge: Clementswood (42.7%); Cranbrook (36.6%); Goodmayes (33.5%); Loxford (46.0%); Mayfield (34.6%); Newbury (29.4%); Seven Kings (31.3%); Valentines (40.0%)

London Borough of Waltham Forest: Forest (31.9%); Lea Bridge (32.3%); Leyton (30.2%); Markhouse (32.4%)

Luton: Biscot (64.6%); Dallow (includes parts of Bury Park) (61.6%); Saints (51.1%)

Manchester: Cheetham (43.3%); Longsight (53.8%); Rusholme (37.9%); Whalley Range (32.7%)

Oldham: Coldhurst (64.2%); Medlock Vale (32.3%); St Mary's (58.7%); Werneth (68.2%)

Pendle: Bradley (45.7%); Brierfield (38.8%); Walverden (47.1%); Whitefield (69.8%)

Rochdale: Central Rochdale (52.4%); Milkstone and Deeplish (67.1%)

Slough: Baylis and Stoke (44.7%); Central (40.6%); Chalvey (37.2%);

Westminster: Church Street (42.0%); Harrow Road (24.1%); Hyde Park (25.1%); Queen's Park (26.3%); Westbourne (33.1%)

Wycombe: Bowerdean (35.6%); Oakridge and Castlefield (45.7%)

Britain's Asian Muslims
The British Muslim community is ethnically diverse, although the vast majority are from Asia. Census data shows that two-thirds of Muslims (68%) have an Asian background, including 38% from Pakistan and 15% from Bangladesh. Just over 10% of Muslims fall into the official census category of "Black/African/Caribbean/Black British," 7.8% are "White" and 6.6% are "Arab."

Opinion surveys cited by Ludi Simpson show that most ethnic minorities identify as "British" at least as strongly as do native white Britons.


Many areas of Britain with large concentrations of Pakistani, Kashmiri and Bangladeshi Muslims, however, are insular, parallel societies that are run according to patronage-based politics, known as the biraderi (clan or tribal) system. These enclaves are also run according to Sharia law, as evidenced by the prevalence of honor-based violence, polygamy and forced marriage.

A report by the former chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, Lord Ouseley, found that arranged marriages, common among Asian Muslims, are a key factor in the formation of Muslim ghettoes in Britain. The report said:

"The Sikh and Hindu communities are doing relatively well. Overall, their children are performing above average in educational terms. They tend to be better housed and are more likely to be in employment than are those of Pakistani or Bangladeshi origins. This can be explained mainly in class terms. Most of the Sikhs and Hindus come from the middle strata of their societies and are relatively well educated. Most of the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, predominantly Muslim, come from rural, or more correctly, peasant societies. Many have relatively little education and hold traditionalist views on religion. This, coupled with complex family relationships often identified with land ownership in Pakistan and Bangladesh, leads to a predominance of first cousin marriages which include one spouse from the country of origin. It is estimated these constitute 60% of marriages. This has a significant impact.

"It has a major impact on population growth. About 1,000 Bradfordian Muslims marry each year. If most of those marriages were internal to this country, it would lead to 500 new households which would be likely to average 4 children per household. (This is based on experience from other immigrant groups where family size usually halves that of the first generation by the second generation.) With 60% of marriages involving a spouse from overseas, the number of households goes up to 800 and, with many of the spouses being first generation, family size is likely to be significantly larger. So whereas 500 internal marriages might be expected to produce 2,000 offspring, the 800 marriages are likely to produce 4,000 offspring. This leads to very rapid population growth. In the eighties the Council estimated that the Muslim population would reach 130,000 by 2030 and then level. Now the projection is for 130,000 by 2020 and rising. The number of separate households is predicted to rise from 16,000 now to 40,000 in 2020. This rate of growth concentrated in particular areas puts severe demands on the public services. It has other ramifications. Many of the children arrive at school with little or no English. Many of those who come from overseas have little education and do not possess skills which are transferable to a Western economy. The high family size means overcrowding will be a persistent problem."

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Blackburn
A BBC Panorama documentary about separation and segregation between Muslim Asians and white Britons in Blackburn in Lancashire can be viewed here. According to the BBC:

"For all the hopeful talk about 'integration,' 'multiculturalism' and now 'cohesion,' the reality on the ground appears to be that Britain's Muslim Asian community and its white community have few points of contact, and that the white majority often feel they share little in common with the growing Muslim Asian minority."

Professor Ted Cantle, an expert on inter-cultural relations, told the BBC:

"There is not just simply residential segregation, but there is separation in education, in social, cultural, faith, in virtually every aspect of their daily lives, employment too.

"It exists as a problem, to some degree or other, throughout the country, and it may be in small pockets and neighborhoods within larger cities like London and Birmingham and therefore not quite so evident.

"It might be whole boroughs or whole cities, but to some degree or another it exists. There is some degree of separation or segregation in most towns and cities."

Bradford
In 2001, the Principal Race Relations Officer at the Commission for Racial Equality, GV Mahony, warned about the proliferation of Muslim-only areas in Bradford:

"Not all Muslims in Bradford want Muslim-only areas. Traders, retailers, restaurant owners want and need a broad-based custom profile. However, there is a drive amongst the mosque-attending older generation who would like Sharia areas. There is also the minority of highly disaffected young men who want to control their patches. These two opposite ends of the spectrum desire the same thing albeit for different reasons and it is likely that they will support each other in order to attain their goals."

London
Native white Britons are already in the minority in London (45%). According to Ludi Simpson, 23 of London's 33 boroughs are now "plural." In the London Borough of Tower Hamlets (sometimes called "Britain's Islamic republic"), white Britons (31%) are outnumbered by Bangladeshis (32%).

Tower Hamlets and other parts of East London have been the focus of repeated attempts by Islamists to impose Sharia law on members of the public.

Extremist Muslim preachers — sometimes referred to as the Tower Hamlets Taliban — have issued death threats to women who refuse to wear Islamic veils. Neighborhood streets have been plastered with posters declaring: "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone. Islamic rules enforced." And street advertising deemed offensive to Muslims has been vandalized or blacked out with spray paint.

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Left, an example of the posters that have been put up in Muslim enclaves in Britain. Right, British jihadists in Syria encourage British Muslims to take up arms for the Islamic State, in a recruitment video entitled "There is No Life Without Jihad".




The Sunday Telegraph uncovered more than a dozen other instances in Tower Hamlets where both Muslims and non-Muslims have been threatened or beaten for behavior considered to be a breach of fundamentalist "Islamic norms." Victims said that police ignored or downplayed outbreaks of hate crime, and suppressed evidence implicating Muslims in them, because they feared being accused of racism or "Islamophobia."

One victim, Mohammed Monzur Rahman, was left partially blind after being attacked by a mob in Cannon Street Road, Shadwell, for smoking during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. "Two guys stopped me in the street and asked me why I was smoking," he said. "I just carried on, and before I knew another dozen guys came and jumped me. The next thing I knew, I was waking up in hospital."

A group of Muslim men attacked a 23-year-old American student, who had only been in the country for three days, after they saw him drinking on an East London street. The student suffered extensive injuries, including a smashed eye socket. The perpetrators are now in prison.

The owners of restaurants and shops in Brick Lane in Whitechapel, a popular area of London, have been warned that they faced 40 lashes if they continued to sell alcoholic products.

In Leytonstone in East London, the former Home Secretary John Reid was heckled by the Muslim extremist Abu Izzadeen who yelled: "How dare you come to a Muslim area." A four-minute video of the incident can be viewed here.

Muslim gangs have also been filmed loitering on London streets and demanding that passersby conform to Sharia law. In a series of videos, the self-proclaimed vigilantes — who called themselves Muslim London Patrol — are seen abusing non-Muslim pedestrians and repeatedly shouting "this is a Muslim area."

One video records the men shouting: "Allah is the greatest! Islam is here, whether you like it or not. We are here! We are here! What we need is Islam! What we need is Sharia!"

The video continues:

"We are the Muslim Patrol. We are in north London, we are in south London, in east London and west London. We command good and forbid evil. Islam is here in London. [Prime Minister] David Cameron, Mr. Police Officer, whether you like it or not, we will command good and forbid evil. You will never get us. You can go to hell! This is not a Christian country. To hell with Christianity. Isa [Jesus] was a messenger of Allah. Muslim Patrol will never die. Allah is great! Allah is great! We are coming!"

In January 2015, twelve of the men were given Antisocial Behavior Orders ("Asbos"), forbidding them from "forcing their views on others" for a period of three years. Their spiritual mentor is a British-born Islamist agitator named Anjem Choudary, whose parents migrated from Pakistan.

In July 2011, "Muslims Against Crusades," a group founded by Choudary, launched a campaign to turn twelve British cities — including what it calls "Londonistan" — into independent Islamic states. The so-called Islamic Emirates would function as autonomous enclaves ruled by Islamic Sharia law and operate outside British jurisprudence.

The Islamic Emirates Project named the British cities of Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, as well as Waltham Forest in northeast London and Tower Hamlets in East London, as territories to be targeted for blanket Sharia rule.

Muslims Against Crusades (proscribed in November 2011) is one of the many reincarnations of the Muslim extremist group al-Muhajiroun, which was banned in January 2010. A study published by the London-based Henry Jackson Society in September 2014 found that one in five terrorists convicted in Britain over more than a decade have had links to al-Muhajiroun.

An investigative report published by the British anti-fascism group Hope Not Hate in November 2013 concluded that al-Muhajiroun was "the single biggest gateway to terrorism in recent British history."

The group's founder, Anjem Choudary, remains free and continues to call for the implementation of Sharia law in Britain.

Meanwhile, Britain's first directly elected Muslim mayor — a close ally of Choudary named Lutfur Rahman, who runs Tower Hamlets Council — has been accused of using illegal tactics to get re-elected in May 2014. Muslim residents were allegedly told that they would not be "good Muslims" unless they voted for Rahman, who was born in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh), and moved to Britain as a child.
 

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And now for some good news that seems to either go unnoticed or ignored. So many stories like these from all over the world. So many stories like these that go unreported.

Muslim activists raise over $70,000 to aid vandalized Jewish cemetery
As of early Wednesday morning, a crowdfunding campaign started by Muslim activists had raised over $70,000 in an effort to help repair a vandalized Jewish cemetery near St. Louis, Missouri.
"Muslim Americans stand in solidarity with the Jewish-American community to condemn this horrific act of desecration against the Chesed Shel Emeth Cemetery," read the crowdfunding campaign's website, which was spearheaded by Muslim-American activists Linda Sarsour and Tarek El-Messidi. "We also extend our deepest condolences to all those who have been affected and to the Jewish community at large."
The effort comes after more than 170 headstones were damaged late Sunday or early Monday at Chesed Shel Emeth Cemetery, located in the St. Louis suburb of University City, according to a report by the Associated Press on Tuesday.
Muslim activists raise over $70,000 to aid vandalized Jewish cemetery

Pakistani Muslims Form Human Chain To Protect Christians During Mass (PHOTOS)
Web Desk / Aroosa Shaukat The Express Tribune
RELIGION
10/08/2013 10:43 am ET Updated Dec 06, 2017
Hand in hand as many as 200-300 people formed a human chain outside the St Anthony’s Church adjacent to the District Police Lines at the Empress Road, in a show of solidarity with the victims of the Peshawar church attack two weeks back, which resulted in over a 100 deaths. The twin suicide attack on All Saints church occurred after Sunday mass ended and is believed to be the country’s deadliest attack on Christians.
Read whole story on The Express Tribune here

Pakistani Muslims Form Human Chain To Protect Christians During Mass (PHOTOS) | HuffPost

Muslims in Jordan Guard Churches on Easter Sunday
Young Muslims across Jordan stood guard to protect churches on Easter Sunday so that Christians could celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ in peace.
Just a week after 45 people were killed and over 120 were injured in Islamic State-claimed suicide bombings at two Coptic churches in Egypt on Palm Sunday, The Jordan Times reports that Muslim youth across the Sunni kingdom banded together to defend their Christian neighbors as they worshipped on one of the holiest days of the year for followers of Christ.
Muslims in Jordan Guard Churches on Easter Sunday

Muslims Defend Christians During al-Shabab Militant Attack in Kenya
Muslim passengers defended Christian passengers during an extremist attack on a bus in Kenya on Monday.
Members of the al-Shabab militant organization shot at a bus in Mandera, Kenya, forcing it to stop. Once the militants boarded the bus, they attempted to separate Muslim and Christian passengers, intending to kill the Christians on board, the BBC reported.
“We even gave some non-Muslims our religious attire to wear in the bus so that they would not be identified easily. We stuck together tightly," Abdi Mohamud Abdi, a Muslim passenger, told Reuters. "The militants threatened to shoot us but we still refused and protected our brothers and sisters. Finally they gave up and left but warned that they would be back.”
Muslims Defend Christians During Attack in Kenya

Muslims return favor, join hands with Christian protesters for Mass in Cairo's Tahrir Square
On Friday, the holy day for Islam, Christian protesters in Tahrir Square joined hands to form a protective cordon around their Muslim countrymen so they could pray in safety.
Sunday, the Muslims returned the favor.
They surrounded Christians celebrating Mass in Cairo's central plaza, ground zero for the secular pro-democracy protests reverberating throughout the Middle East.
Muslims turn out in Mass for Christians in Egypt

Radical Christians? Imagine that.
CNN tv News reportage a muslim man in usa protects a jewish israeli from a group of radical christians who wanted to beat the jewish man and insulted him

Just wanted to add one more. Because I liked it so much.
MUSLIM/JEWISH (Social Experiment!)
 
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@truthquest Always good to get the other side of the coin. And be reminded that God is still at work....He has not abdicated. :)
 
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I really would like to stop talking about this. It gets me rather upset.
Yes, I find this depressing , too. In fact some of the posts here are so full of “Stürmer”-style bile that reading them made me feel physically sick.
I don't know why I might know MORE about London or Britain than you do.
Just to set the record straight, I've been to London several times and have friends there. The lucky ones live on the Isle of White. The ones living in the Norther parts of London (several) are VERY UNHAPPY with what's going on there. Not because they don't like muslims, per se, but because of how their LIFE IS CHANGING.
If YOU don't see the change, well, God bless your heart.
I also have been to Germany and have a dear friend in Berlin.
Ditto. Not to speak of what over New Year's Eve there in 2016-2017.
And many other such incidents WHICH DID NOT HAPPEN BEFORE the migration.
Sweden is a mess and they don't know what to do about it.
Read about it on google. I really don't like to watch movies about this stuff, imagine hearing real women found dead in woods in all sorts of manner.
I can but hope that your friends aren’t members of „Britain First“, an organization that „ every major Christian denomination in the UK … (has) variously described the political party as "extremist", "self-serving" and "blasphemous" and condemned its actions as "hi-jacking the name of Jesus Christ to justify hatred and spread fear". (Britain First Denounced By Every Major Christian Denomination In The UK)

As for your friends’ concerns: tell them that every neighbourhood changes over time. That’s not necessarily bad. I hear North Londoners once complained about increasing numbers of Jews moving to Hackney in the 30ies. Now Jews are just a normal feature in North London. (We've been here before) Before that Londoners complained about the Irish moving in and way before that it was those pesky Normans and Saxons.

Of course Berlin changes, too, with most Berliners being worried about gentrification. Kreuzberg is getting so expensive that Turkish grocers can’t afford the rent anymore: Turkish shop a symbol in Berlin’s war on gentrification
God bless your heart if you think there was no rape and murder before refugees came to our countries. Fact is that the rates of such crimes have stayed pretty much the same since.

So if you want to keep an halfway balanced and fact based view of the world, you should watch your sources:

“The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing[2][3][4] think tank that publishes articles, particularly pertaining to Islam and the Middle East. (…) Gatestone has been criticized for affiliating itself with Geert Wilders, who says that he "hates Islam"[18] and has been described as "anti-Muslim".[10][19] In 2012, Gatestone Institute hosted a talk by Wilders.[10] In 2016, Gatestone paid for Wilders’s flights and hotels on trips to the United States.[19][20] The Guardian noted that Gatestone publishes the writings of Geert Wilders.[18] (…)In 2011[23] and 2012,[6] Gatestone published articles claiming that Europe had Muslim "no-go zones", describing them variously as "off-limits to non-Muslims"[6] and "microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law".[23][24] The claim that there are areas in European cities governed by Sharia is false,[6][23] although many of the areas deemed as "no-go zones" have high levels of unemployment and crime.[24] Gatestone's claims were picked up by many outlets, including FrontPageMag,[23] and Washington Times.[24] The idea of no-go zones originated from Daniel Pipes,[23] who later retracted his claims.[6]

On November 18, 2016, Gatestone published an article that said the British Press had been ordered to avoid reporting the Muslim identity of terrorists by the European Union. Snopes rated the claim "false". Snopes pointed out that the report only made a recommendation and it was issued by the Council of Europe, not the European Union.[7] Gatestone subsequently corrected the article and apologized for the error,[25] before removing it entirely from its website.

The Gatestone Institute published false articles during the German federal election of 2017.[26] A Gatestone article, shared thousands of times on social media, including by senior German far-right politicians, claimed that vacant homes were being seized in Germany to provide housing solutions for "hundreds of thousands of migrants from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East."[5] The German fact-checker Correctiv.org found that this was false; a single house was placed in temporary trusteeship, and had nothing to do with refugees whatsoever.[5] Gatestone also cross-posted a Daily Mail article, which "grossly mischaracterized crime data" concerning crime by refugees in Germany.[27]““ (Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia)



But just to pick up one comment made in your quote: of course there is the danger of parallel societies. But guys like Geert Wilders won’t help to fight that danger. Guys like school-social workers and the countless volunteers who give language lessons, help with paperwork, invite to football-games etc. do.
 
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Yes, I find this depressing , too. In fact some of the posts here are so full of “Stürmer”-style bile that reading them made me feel physically sick.

I can but hope that your friends aren’t members of „Britain First“, an organization that „ every major Christian denomination in the UK … (has) variously described the political party as "extremist", "self-serving" and "blasphemous" and condemned its actions as "hi-jacking the name of Jesus Christ to justify hatred and spread fear". (Britain First Denounced By Every Major Christian Denomination In The UK)

As for your friends’ concerns: tell them that every neighbourhood changes over time. That’s not necessarily bad. I hear North Londoners once complained about increasing numbers of Jews moving to Hackney in the 30ies. Now Jews are just a normal feature in North London. (We've been here before) Before that Londoners complained about the Irish moving in and way before that it was those pesky Normans and Saxons.

Of course Berlin changes, too, with most Berliners being worried about gentrification. Kreuzberg is getting so expensive that Turkish grocers can’t afford the rent anymore: Turkish shop a symbol in Berlin’s war on gentrification
God bless your heart if you think there was no rape and murder before refugees came to our countries. Fact is that the rates of such crimes have stayed pretty much the same since.

So if you want to keep an halfway balanced and fact based view of the world, you should watch your sources:

“The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing[2][3][4] think tank that publishes articles, particularly pertaining to Islam and the Middle East. (…) Gatestone has been criticized for affiliating itself with Geert Wilders, who says that he "hates Islam"[18] and has been described as "anti-Muslim".[10][19] In 2012, Gatestone Institute hosted a talk by Wilders.[10] In 2016, Gatestone paid for Wilders’s flights and hotels on trips to the United States.[19][20] The Guardian noted that Gatestone publishes the writings of Geert Wilders.[18] (…)In 2011[23] and 2012,[6] Gatestone published articles claiming that Europe had Muslim "no-go zones", describing them variously as "off-limits to non-Muslims"[6] and "microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law".[23][24] The claim that there are areas in European cities governed by Sharia is false,[6][23] although many of the areas deemed as "no-go zones" have high levels of unemployment and crime.[24] Gatestone's claims were picked up by many outlets, including FrontPageMag,[23] and Washington Times.[24] The idea of no-go zones originated from Daniel Pipes,[23] who later retracted his claims.[6]

On November 18, 2016, Gatestone published an article that said the British Press had been ordered to avoid reporting the Muslim identity of terrorists by the European Union. Snopes rated the claim "false". Snopes pointed out that the report only made a recommendation and it was issued by the Council of Europe, not the European Union.[7] Gatestone subsequently corrected the article and apologized for the error,[25] before removing it entirely from its website.

The Gatestone Institute published false articles during the German federal election of 2017.[26] A Gatestone article, shared thousands of times on social media, including by senior German far-right politicians, claimed that vacant homes were being seized in Germany to provide housing solutions for "hundreds of thousands of migrants from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East."[5] The German fact-checker Correctiv.org found that this was false; a single house was placed in temporary trusteeship, and had nothing to do with refugees whatsoever.[5] Gatestone also cross-posted a Daily Mail article, which "grossly mischaracterized crime data" concerning crime by refugees in Germany.[27]““ (Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia)



But just to pick up one comment made in your quote: of course there is the danger of parallel societies. But guys like Geert Wilders won’t help to fight that danger. Guys like school-social workers and the countless volunteers who give language lessons, help with paperwork, invite to football-games etc. do.
Not all my friends are Christian or crazy - which some would have to be to believe the stuff up there.

Didn't read it all sorry.

I'm probably older than you and though that has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence, it does have a lot to do with having seen change.

You'll never tell me something I don't already know.

I have no further comment.
Have a nice trip in May.
My favorite Indian Restrnt is just north of Trafalgar Square.
Can't remember the name... Ooops. Maybe it's West.
There's also an Itlaian restrnt right by it and a Pub. If you like Indian, go!
 

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Yes, I find this depressing , too. In fact some of the posts here are so full of “Stürmer”-style bile that reading them made me feel physically sick.

I can but hope that your friends aren’t members of „Britain First“, an organization that „ every major Christian denomination in the UK … (has) variously described the political party as "extremist", "self-serving" and "blasphemous" and condemned its actions as "hi-jacking the name of Jesus Christ to justify hatred and spread fear". (Britain First Denounced By Every Major Christian Denomination In The UK)

As for your friends’ concerns: tell them that every neighbourhood changes over time. That’s not necessarily bad. I hear North Londoners once complained about increasing numbers of Jews moving to Hackney in the 30ies. Now Jews are just a normal feature in North London. (We've been here before) Before that Londoners complained about the Irish moving in and way before that it was those pesky Normans and Saxons.

Of course Berlin changes, too, with most Berliners being worried about gentrification. Kreuzberg is getting so expensive that Turkish grocers can’t afford the rent anymore: Turkish shop a symbol in Berlin’s war on gentrification
God bless your heart if you think there was no rape and murder before refugees came to our countries. Fact is that the rates of such crimes have stayed pretty much the same since.

So if you want to keep an halfway balanced and fact based view of the world, you should watch your sources:

“The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing[2][3][4] think tank that publishes articles, particularly pertaining to Islam and the Middle East. (…) Gatestone has been criticized for affiliating itself with Geert Wilders, who says that he "hates Islam"[18] and has been described as "anti-Muslim".[10][19] In 2012, Gatestone Institute hosted a talk by Wilders.[10] In 2016, Gatestone paid for Wilders’s flights and hotels on trips to the United States.[19][20] The Guardian noted that Gatestone publishes the writings of Geert Wilders.[18] (…)In 2011[23] and 2012,[6] Gatestone published articles claiming that Europe had Muslim "no-go zones", describing them variously as "off-limits to non-Muslims"[6] and "microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law".[23][24] The claim that there are areas in European cities governed by Sharia is false,[6][23] although many of the areas deemed as "no-go zones" have high levels of unemployment and crime.[24] Gatestone's claims were picked up by many outlets, including FrontPageMag,[23] and Washington Times.[24] The idea of no-go zones originated from Daniel Pipes,[23] who later retracted his claims.[6]

On November 18, 2016, Gatestone published an article that said the British Press had been ordered to avoid reporting the Muslim identity of terrorists by the European Union. Snopes rated the claim "false". Snopes pointed out that the report only made a recommendation and it was issued by the Council of Europe, not the European Union.[7] Gatestone subsequently corrected the article and apologized for the error,[25] before removing it entirely from its website.

The Gatestone Institute published false articles during the German federal election of 2017.[26] A Gatestone article, shared thousands of times on social media, including by senior German far-right politicians, claimed that vacant homes were being seized in Germany to provide housing solutions for "hundreds of thousands of migrants from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East."[5] The German fact-checker Correctiv.org found that this was false; a single house was placed in temporary trusteeship, and had nothing to do with refugees whatsoever.[5] Gatestone also cross-posted a Daily Mail article, which "grossly mischaracterized crime data" concerning crime by refugees in Germany.[27]““ (Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia)



But just to pick up one comment made in your quote: of course there is the danger of parallel societies. But guys like Geert Wilders won’t help to fight that danger. Guys like school-social workers and the countless volunteers who give language lessons, help with paperwork, invite to football-games etc. do.
I forgot to say that I AM conservative and that I only post what I agree with.

Brainwashing for me ended a really long time ago...