Can a Christian be only partly saved?

[Dcopymope]

Surely those who are born from above know better than making a call like that ? But then again ? There are some very very odd 'believers' out there that I have come across..

Like the hell fire preachers?

 

[pia]

Like the hell fire preachers?

Absolutely.......Some Good news they preach lol

 

[pastor marty]

ah, did He? then Quote it, if you would, ty

I apologize 4 barking @ U Groopy,sometimes I feel I'm speaking 2 the deaf;If the spirit within us can't see/feel the truth then no amount of quotes/affidavits /lie-detector results/or sworn statements is gonna work either.Ya believe or ya don't !Jesus said that in a kinder more eloquent way but that's the jist of it ! <m>

 

[Dcopymope]

Absolutely.......Some Good news they preach lol

Yep, and not even half of that "good news" they preach has any truth to it at all. Hey, lets just go around telling every non-believer how much of an inept despot God really is...yep that's been working out pretty well hasn't it? We have people here who believe in the hell fire doctrine, since they believe that everyone who isn't a believer automatically gets drop kicked into the lake of fire. I can't freaking stand it, because every time I ask these people to point out where it ever states that every single soul that is not of the bride of Christ gets tossed into the fire, I get nothing.

 

[pastor marty]

Absolutely.......Some Good news they preach lol

******Chime R/in pal ! I promise no more chasin' folk outa the temple w/a whip!! I'll play nice & yer always goodnooze !

 

[pia]

@Dcopymope I like you have had that exact problem, and I could neither equate it with the Lord nor with what the Bible itself says....shows peoples true nature doesn't it ? Any born from above believer, would NEVER want to see a single person thrown into a burning lake of fire for eternity, that is super sadistic, and very un-Christ like imho

 

[pia]

******Chime R/in pal ! I promise no more chasin' folk outa the temple w/a whip!! I'll play nice & yer always goodnooze !

Do you understand why He did that Marty ? There is nothing saying that He hurt any of the people nor the animals

 

[pastor marty]

Yep, and not even half of that "good news" they preach has any truth to it at all. Hey, lets just go around telling every non-believer how much a despot God really is...yep that's been working out pretty well hasn't it? We have people here who believe in the hell fire doctrine, since they believe that everyone who isn't a believer automatically gets drop kicked into the lake of fire. I can't freaking stand it, because every time I ask these people to point out where it ever states that every single soul that is not of the bride of Christ gets tossed into the fire, I get nothing.

*******Ghandi's almost last words 2 the Anglican arch-bishop who asked why Mohandas had carried a N.Test all his life was this:"I would have liked to have been a Christian;were it not for Christians !" (feel free 2 look this up/or trust me ?) <m>

 

[Triumph1300]

We have people here who believe in the hell fire doctrine, since they believe that everyone who isn't a believer automatically gets drop kicked into the lake of fire. I can't freaking stand it, because every time I ask these people to point out where it ever states that every single soul that is not of the bride of Christ gets tossed into the fire, I get nothing.

What happens to non Christians when they die according to you?

 

[pastor marty]

Do you understand why He did that Marty ? There is nothing saying that He hurt any of the people nor the animals

2 scare 'em into paying attn.! I never said I made contact w/anyone/ just cracked the thing so's they'd shut up 4 a min ....

 

[pastor marty]

What happens to non Christians when they die according to you?

What happens 2 folk who never heard o'Jesus ?? I leave that 1 to GOD ;Hisself///past my pay grade !!

 

[Triumph1300]

P. Marty,You answered my question with another question.

Ok, I ask it another way:

If there's no hell, what happens to people who rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ during their life time, when they die.

 

[pastor marty]

P. Marty,You answered my question with another question.

Ok, I ask it another way:

If there's no hell, what happens to people who rejected the gospel of Jesus Christ during their life time, when they die.

*****Answering a ques. w/a ques is called the Socratic method and used by all good shrinks ! The truth is I havn't a clue ( this is where we do the 2 or more gathered together thing & toss this potato 2 the holy 1) I know hell is real/I hope purgatory is also/have been 2 the Disney version of same/scared me into repenting/I'm not jesting/when yer in a place w/out hope/surrounded by death&pain/& no las Vegas bookie would even give ya sucker odds of gitten out alive/That;BRO;is HELL !! (or just that hell is the absence of GOD !) Think I'll go 2 a AA?NA meeting/hold hands wwwwwwww/(nerve damage agin/finger gittin tired) anyhow;; hold hands w/30 others like me & say the Lords prayer & try 2 really mean it !!.......<m>

 

[Triumph1300]

Waiting for Dcopymope , he was the one who brought it up.

 

[Dcopymope]

What happens to non Christians when they die according to you?

Well, they all go to hell, or Sheol, or the grave, like Jesus did.

(Acts 2:25-32) "For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: {26} Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: {27} Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. {28} Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. {29} Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. {30} Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; {31} He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. {32} This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses."

And then there is the other hell meant specifically for angels, also known as tartaros, which I strongly believe is the same place referred to in Revelation as the bottomless pit.

(2 Peter 2:4) "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;"

And then there is the last hell also known as Gehenna, a not so very nice place that makes the two aforementioned hell's look like paradise in comparison. Its a place where all the wicked, human and angel will have their place to be tormented day and night everlasting, with a fire that is unceasing, where the worm never dies.

(Mark 9:43-44) "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {44} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

(Revelation 20:13-14) "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. {14} And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

I have discussed this long ago before concerning my views on hell and where everyone goes. We all should pretty much know where the spirit of the faithful goes when they die, as for those not of the faith, well, they stay where they were buried, six feet under, until the second Resurrection for the throne judgement.

 

[GodsGrace]

*****"Eienstein was the boob who said:"I seek 2 know the mind of GOD all else is just details" All you'll B remembered as is an amorphous cretin who confused slandering his betters with pseudo-hip comments as intelligence ; telling everyone that anyone smarter than U is going 2 hell and in general being a vexation 2 the Spirit !! "4 example as U would say" <m> my last post 2U !!

What do you mean 2U?
You mean U2?

 

[GodsGrace]

Well, they all go to hell, or Sheol, or the grave, like Jesus did.

And then there is the other hell meant specifically for angels, also known as tartaros, which I strongly believe is the same place referred to in Revelation as the bottomless pit.

And then there is the last hell also known as Gehenna, a not so very nice place that makes the two aforementioned hell's look like paradise in comparison. Its a place where all the wicked, human and angel will have their place to be tormented day and night everlasting, with a fire that is unceasing, where the worm never dies.

I have discussed this long ago before concerning my views on hell and where everyone goes. We all should pretty much know where the spirit of the faithful goes when they die, as for those not of the faith, well, they stay where they were buried, six feet under, until the second Resurrection for the throne judgement.

Interesting what you say about Gehenna.
It seems to me that the Lake of Fire is the last place where everything is burned up or maybe it lasts forever.
I also believe 2 Peter, Tartarus, is for angels only and Satan.

I can't debate this, not enough knowledge about it.
Just thought I'd put down in writing what I know, which isn't much on this subject...

P.S. It does seem to me that the lost go immediately to where they belong.
Luke 16, the Rich man and Lazarus. The two groups are separated by a chasm.
One is in the Bosom of Abraham awaiting release (the resurrection), the other group is being tormented... What do YOU make of this?

 

[bbyrd009]

I apologize 4 barking @ U Groopy,sometimes I feel I'm speaking 2 the deaf;If the spirit within us can't see/feel the truth then no amount of quotes/affidavits /lie-detector results/or sworn statements is gonna work either.Ya believe or ya don't !Jesus said that in a kinder more eloquent way but that's the jist of it ! <m>

What Jesus said seems to be pretty clearly "worship God, like I do," and i'm bigger on practice than theory myself, but i know Nehushtan worship when i see it wadr. I am less apt to judge it than point it out now, bc frankly i think the hell to pay is right now, too, but i would certainly counsel at least being open-minded to Not Worshipping Bread here. Christ is a manifestation of God, certainly; but Trinity doctrine is condemned not on theory, but on practice, when the point became obvious, that being to exclude everyone who does not agree imo.

but then i guess if one has made up their minds about a big Party in the Sky that they have to die to get to, they got bigger problems than Nehushtan worship anyway

 

[bbyrd009]

It seems to me that the Lake of Fire is the last place where everything is burned up or maybe it lasts forever.

when you stop a practice that you liked doing but it was producing bad fruit for whatever reason, you might even possibly go back to it in a time of stress, for a "short season," but then usually the bad fruit manifests even more, and so you give it up for good.

written so that the blind might see and not see

 

[GodsGrace]

Funny you bring up Einstein and I assume that you mean Albert as opposed to the guy that owns the bagel shop chain. While Albert Einstein was a great mathematician and had a good grip on theoretical physics, he was a complete boob with regard to understanding human behavior. For example, when he still lived in Germany he was convinced that Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party would just fade into insignificance. Intellect is no guarantor of perceived truth, never was, never will be. I have a friend that was strangled with his umbilical cord during birth and suffered irreparable brain damage from oxygen deprivation. He could understand and did receive the gospel and became a disciple of Jesus Christ. Albert Einstein, with an above average IQ never got there and stands condemned before God for rejecting Christ (unless he was a closet believer.) Intellect means nothing in God's economy. Wise up.

Not sure.
Wasn't it Einstein who said, just before dying, there must be a God or all this could not be possible.
No. It was Darwin...