• Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

bbyrd009

Groper
Nov 30, 2016
33,943
12,082
113
Ute City, COLO
www.facebook.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States Minor Outlying Islands
i don't say that lightly, if you are here to witness for Scott's dogma, and find any justification of his perspective in Scripture, then now is the time to say something, ok. Lots of people are functionally possessed, it isn't the big retarded Exorcist thing emos like to make of it wadr. Tbh i doubt possession is really the right term here, and i am not meaning to say that i don't like S, even envy his peace maybe, but that does not make up for lack of truth, or lack of witnesses.

Disciplines have labels by way of disclosure, yet Scott is reluctant apparently to the point of paranoia to disclose his discipline to you, you might consider that; go read up there and see if he answered that one yet--i don't think i even need to bother, and if i am wrong and he has, then i will apologize. If i hated him or something i would have outed him a long time ago; but if Catholics are allowed here, i see no reason that he should not be too.
 
Last edited:

bbyrd009

Groper
Nov 30, 2016
33,943
12,082
113
Ute City, COLO
www.facebook.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States Minor Outlying Islands
If God really wanted this to be so, he wouldn't bother having a court day for every single soul not of his bride to begin with.
of course our initial impression is of a literal day in court, God sitting on a throne, long white beard and all, right. Keep an open mind there, ok, it doesn't have to be like that, the kindergarten story we all carry around, basically
 

bbyrd009

Groper
Nov 30, 2016
33,943
12,082
113
Ute City, COLO
www.facebook.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States Minor Outlying Islands
I can't find it now but somewhere you said the earth is not passing away.
well, i think the chief takeaway from that should be to understand the difference in the earth and the world, passing away. Yes, the earth will someday be subsumed into the growing, dying sun, billions of years from now, but the world passing away is a different subject. Or you might clarify why we pray "on earth as it is in heaven," how can this prayer be in God's will if the plan is to destroy this earth literally, and rebuild a new one?

so, i don't want to overdefine too much here, but my perspective is that the earth is our domain, where we are meant to be, and to manifest heaven, while the world is the overlay that humans put on the earth, that is passing away. Of course anyone anxious to leave earth and party with Jesus might disagree i guess, and Scripture is pretty androgynous on the concept when you go to look for it specifically, seems like; i would argue so that others could still see and not see, but i don't really know there

how do you address "the meek will inherit the earth?"
 
Last edited:

bbyrd009

Groper
Nov 30, 2016
33,943
12,082
113
Ute City, COLO
www.facebook.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States Minor Outlying Islands
a case can even be made from the Book that we are supposed to be bold, right, and that that is a curse. You can search these terms and find it, it's all over the web.
 

VictoryinJesus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2017
10,575
8,425
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
well, i think the chief takeaway from that should be to understand the difference in the earth and the world, passing away. Yes, the earth will someday be subsumed into the growing, dying sun, billions of years from now, but the world passing away is a different subject. Or you might clarify why we pray "on earth as it is in heaven," how can this prayer be in God's will if the plan is to destroy this earth literally, and rebuild a new one?

so, i don't want to overdefine too much here, but my perspective is that the earth is our domain, where we are meant to be, and to manifest heaven, while the world is the overlay that humans put on the earth, that is passing away. Of course anyone anxious to leave earth and party with Jesus might disagree i guess, and Scripture is pretty androgynous on the concept when you go to look for it specifically, seems like; i would argue so that others could still see and not see, but i don't really know there

how do you address "the meek will inherit the earth?"

You said: "Or you might clarify why we pray "on earth as it is in heaven," how can this prayer be in God's will if the plan is to destroy this earth literally, and rebuild a new one?"

On earth as it is in Heaven doesn't seem strange at all: on earth as it is in Heaven. Spirit filled. All in Christ and subdued to God. Relationship. Oneness.

The meek will inherit the earth...

Psalm 22:26
[26] The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.

Whose heart? Ezekiel 11:19
[19] And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

How is this heart of flesh different from the stony heart?

Psalm 37:11
[11] But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

"In the abundance of peace" or synonymous with "shall delight in the abundance of Christ (God)"

we love the light therefore we walk in it.

Zephaniah 2:3
[3] Seek ye the Lord , all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord's anger.

Your flesh is passing away. Why destroy it, if His plan is to give you a new glorified body? Why not keep the old? The earth passing away...it has to die also to be resurrected in His glory.

Heaven and earth will become One. Many believe man will bring Heaven to earth, but it is Christ's glory that will fill all at His revealing. Not man's glory filling all, man's glory has passed away.

Ephesians 2:15-17
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: [17] And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Two become One. Man and woman. Heaven and earth.

Matthew 19:6
[6] Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
 

VictoryinJesus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2017
10,575
8,425
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
so, will the meek inherit the earth or not, in your opinion?

Yes, a new, glorified earth.

2 Peter 3:12-13
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? [13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherein dwells Righteousness. GOD.
Psalm 149:4 For the Lord taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.

You seem offended by the "new heavens and new earth" wherein GOD dwells. The old passed away and remembered no more.

But you take no offense in: the flesh has been crucified (the old man), and a new man has been raised?
 

VictoryinJesus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2017
10,575
8,425
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
so, will the meek inherit the earth or not, in your opinion?

"wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat" tells us the magnitude of His righteousness.

Have you seen His fire, or felt His heat?
 

bbyrd009

Groper
Nov 30, 2016
33,943
12,082
113
Ute City, COLO
www.facebook.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States Minor Outlying Islands
You seem offended by the "new heavens and new earth" wherein GOD dwells.
hmm, if i get offended there, it is at those who would justify trashing this earth bc "Jesus is going to make us a new one."
But you take no offense in: the flesh has been crucified (the old man), and a new man has been raised?
if this premise were applied to the earth, see, the fact that no literal death is observed in the crucifixion, then imo any offense might be better understood
 

bbyrd009

Groper
Nov 30, 2016
33,943
12,082
113
Ute City, COLO
www.facebook.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States Minor Outlying Islands
"wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat" tells us the magnitude of His righteousness.

Have you seen His fire, or felt His heat?
imo the first concept seems to be made clear at "elements," and the second concept is spiritual, or at least supposed to be imo.
Dunno about the magnitude of His righteousness in that spot, @ "melting elements..."
 

VictoryinJesus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2017
10,575
8,425
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
hmm, if i get offended there, it is at those who would justify trashing this earth bc "Jesus is going to make us a new one."
if this premise were applied to the earth, see, the fact that no literal death is observed in the crucifixion, then imo any offense might be better understood

No literal death? It is passing away. How can you say there is no literal (carnal) death: just because it hasn't happened instantly before your eyes. Surely, you feel the effects of time. We are dragging a dead carcass, and so is the earth.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bbyrd009

VictoryinJesus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2017
10,575
8,425
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
imo the first concept seems to be made clear at "elements," and the second concept is spiritual, or at least supposed to be imo.
Dunno about the magnitude of His righteousness in that spot, @ "melting elements..."

I have seen where you have said God doesn't view the flesh the same as we do. So, maybe He doesn't view a shadow of what is our inheritance, the way you do. A temporal physical manifestation of something that far exceeds our expectation.
 

VictoryinJesus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2017
10,575
8,425
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
hmm, if i get offended there, it is at those who would justify trashing this earth bc "Jesus is going to make us a new one."

Understood. That is like one saying, I can trash my body because God is giving me a new one. I don't believe anyone that knows Him would say that. At the same time though, it does change perspective of importance.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bbyrd009

Dcopymope

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2016
2,650
800
113
37
Motor City
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Angeles where created for a purpose, they know nothing of teh flesh, they are spiritual beings, created to serve God, they too had choice, to serve Him or not, hence satan and his fallen angles, mind you when i was young i didnt think they did. How can one know what love is if one has never felt lonliness, angels are loved by God continuously, they have never experienced the emotions we have, like lonliness, there fore can never understand love.

They know nothing of the flesh, yet they often materialize in the flesh as young men throughout the Bible? Your claim that they can never understand love is akin to claiming someone else never understood what love is because they were never mistreated or neglected by their parents. You should reexamine what you claim angels know or don't know, because this is clearly coming all from your own preconceived notions.

Why are you so angry with God, Has HE not given you choice too. Really isnt hard, choose life. As for nakedness, do you not understand, when you stand before God, you will have nothing to hide you, everything will be there right before Gods eyes, nothing hidden, naked as teh day you where born. All the religion and facades we build around ourselves to hide our "nakedness" like Adam and Eve, all taken away, God sees all.

Where did you get the idea that I was "angry" with God? Do you like making stuff up out of thin air or something? This isn't anger, this is an understanding of the overarching reasons why this current fallen world must be allowed to go through its paces. This isn't anger, this is me trusting God. And, as for your "naked" belief, you can't back this up in scripture one iota. You may be naked as the day you were born when you stand before God, but I won't.

(Revelation 19:7-9) "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. {8} And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. {9} And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God."


of course our initial impression is of a literal day in court, God sitting on a throne, long white beard and all, right. Keep an open mind there, ok, it doesn't have to be like that, the kindergarten story we all carry around, basically

Well, I didn't say anything about God being some Caucasian looking white bearded person, but I understand, straw man arguments are the order of the day on sites like this. From this I gather you believe God sitting on a throne in heaven, what is plainly stated multiple times throughout the Bible is a "kindergarden story". If this be the case, then I am not surprised at all coming from you. Its hard to find "believers" who actually lets the Bible speak for itself.

bc they are not persons, we just personify them

Ok, then prove it.

doesn't this also imply God made a mistake?

God don't make mistakes, the verse only implies God made a mistake for someone without understanding, of which I am not one of them.
 
Last edited:

bbyrd009

Groper
Nov 30, 2016
33,943
12,082
113
Ute City, COLO
www.facebook.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States Minor Outlying Islands
Then I suggest you state it as just your opinion and not at all as fact like you usually do, "imo".
oh, i didn't mean that i couldn't, just that i won't do so here, but i agree that that is just my opinion, like every single other thing that i will ever write, ok. sorry if i neglected an imo there.

it serves God to let ppl believe that spirits are persons, why i am not quite sure.
I guess it goes to "scapegoat" and some other concepts that ppl are not really prepped to discuss yet
spirits are personified in the Book for a reason, parabolic, iow, and i am not inclined to disabuse anyone else of their beliefs today, fwiw
believe what you like