Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[Taken]

"this is that
and that is this."

do you know what "determinism" means, Taken?
which is hard to post without sounding condescending i guess, sry lol. i just mean are you fam with the concept at all

Determinism ~
Psychobabble gobblygook to relieve one from responsibility for themselves.

Perhaps you have a different definition? Lol

God Bless,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

As usual, the Nile comes into play when you have nothing to say.

And as usual you refuse to answer my question. (1 Samuel 28:7-25) Who raised Samuel? God or the witch of En-dor?

In other words, as I have already said, even if Judas cast out demons it was only because Jesus gave the 12 the authority to do so. Either way, Judas was not a picture of one who was saved and then lost his salvation. Judas was a devil when Jesus chose him.

Stranger

First of all - the Bible doesn't say that the Witch of Endo conjured up Samuel.

It says that she conjured up a spirit that Saul PERCEIVED to be Samuel. Saul made up his own mind that this deceitful spirit of a old man was Samuel (1 Sam. 28:14). Verse 8 tells us that God refused to communicate with Saul. For God's servant Samuel to communicate with Saul - this would make verse 8 a lie.

Likewise - Judas could NOT have cast out demons if he himself was a devil at the time.
Judas's descent into evil was a process - he wasn't ALWAYS a devil.

Learn how to study and discern the truth from Scripture.

 

[BreadOfLife]

if what you guys say was true, then Judas would have had no remorse, i guess. You might reload, and try again!

I didn't say that Judas had "no" truth in him.
That is what mjrhealth is saying.

 

[Stranger]

Tell me this Stranger...
In Mathew 10 Jesus sends out the twelve.
Why would He send out a devil to preach the gospel?
Just logically this makes no sense...Jesus would have held him back from this mission.
Jesus did not know everything as a man. He did, however, become aware of judas' role in salvation economy,h and THEN knew he was a devil.

The same reason He chose one who is a devil. It was meant to be. It was part of the plan of God. It was already foretold. (Ps. 109:6-8) (Acts 1:20)

I think you are walking a precarious line when you say Jesus did not know everything as a man. The only knowledge He would not know would be something witheld from the Father to the Son. And the Scriptures already spoke of it. He was not just a man but God the Son also. He was One Person, One Mind, One thought, the God/Man. He didn't have a switch to turn on or off where at times He was the Man, and at times He was God. So He certainly would know who Judas was when He chose Him and when He sent out the twelve.

As far as 'logic', our logic and God often clash.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

there are governing authorities, that it is my responsibility to Know what they are, and require.

ha, i know what you mean, even if i don't agree. Schools are teaching kids to roll over and play dead for cops right now, i guess.

they work for me, not the other way around, so once one gets "keeping the law" down--which i guess is what you meant here; even if you seem to be against that in other posts? dunno--it becomes about my requirements for them, which i guess sounds uppity or whatever, but it isn't like that either. Let's just say the respect should be mutual lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Determinism ~
Psychobabble gobblygook to relieve one from responsibility for themselves.

Perhaps you have a different definition?

ah, no biggie

 

[bbyrd009]

It says that she conjured up a spirit that Saul PERCEIVED to be Samuel. Saul made up his own mind that this deceitful spirit of a old man was Samuel (1 Sam. 28:14).

ya, that'll never pass muster, sry

1 Samuel 28:14 Lexicon: He said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped with a robe." And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and did homage.

 

[bbyrd009]

Verse 8 tells us that God refused to communicate with Saul. For God's servant Samuel to communicate with Saul - this would make verse 8 a lie.

also a fail, i guess. Assuming you meant v6 here

1 Samuel 28:6 Lexicon: When Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD did not answer him, either by dreams or by Urim or by prophets.

no refusal mentioned

 

[Stranger]

First of all - the Bible doesn't say that the Witch of Endo conjured up Samuel.

It says that she conjured up a spirit that Saul PERCEIVED to be Samuel. Saul made up his own mind that this deceitful spirit of a old man was Samuel (1 Sam. 28:14). Verse 8 tells us that God refused to communicate with Saul. For God's servant Samuel to communicate with Saul - this would make verse 8 a lie.

Likewise - Judas could NOT have cast out demons if he himself was a devil at the time.
Judas's descent into evil was a process - he wasn't ALWAYS a devil.

Learn how to study and discern the truth from Scripture.

(1 Samuel 28:15) "And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?"

(1 Samuel 28:16) "Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me,...."

(1 Samuel 28:20) "Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel:...."

The Lord didn't answer Saul when Saul inquired of Him. (28:6) Which is why Saul went to the witch of En-dor. Saul wasn't inquiring of the Lord, he was inquiring of a witch. But now the Lord answered and raised up Samuel.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

I didn't say that Judas had "no" truth in him.
That is what mjrhealth is saying.

ah, my bad there, sorry

 

[BreadOfLife]

ya, that'll never pass muster, sry

Then, you believe God, who refused to have contact with Saul to be a liar.

 

[BreadOfLife]

(1 Samuel 28:15) "And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?"

(1 Samuel 28:16) "Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me,...."

(1 Samuel 28:20) "Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel:...."

The Lord didn't answer Saul when Saul inquired of Him. (28:6) Which is why Saul went to the witch of En-dor. Saul wasn't inquiring of the Lord, he was inquiring of a witch. But now the Lord answered and raised up Samuel.

Stranger

Wrong.
Saul was cut-off by God. God refused to have contact with him as we read in verse 8.

For Samuel to have contact with Saul, it would be ONLY by the power of God that Samuel could have contact with anybody.

 

[bbyrd009]

Then, you believe God, who refused to have contact with Saul to be a liar.

i just don't see God refusing to have contact with Saul in that passage, although i guess the concept could be established in other places, at least after the perspective has been repaired, as i doubt God refuses to have contact with anyone; it would be Saul, refusing iow.

not that any of this has the least little thing to do with Saul raising Samuel through the Witch, anyway, i mean, where is God in that equation?

 

[bbyrd009]

But now the Lord answered and raised up Samuel.

not buying that either, sry; we are told to not talk to the dead, we are not told that it is not possible.

God is not in that anywhere imo, and you can talk to dead ppl without God all day long if you want to i guess

 

[GodsGrace]

Acts is how you get saved & the epistles is how you stay saved. It's not enough to have exhilaration, you have to have instruction.

This is true.
I got saved without instruction so I don't think you need instruction to GET SAVED.

But you do have to understand and know our faith in order to STAY saved.

Good way of putting this.

 

[GodsGrace]

Perhaps you can share your own personal experience.

Can you remember your age of the first time you heard of Jesus? From Who you heard?
And if you believed what you were hearing?
What age were you?

And do you recall your age when your were saved?
What age were you?




Jesus sent a believer and then reveal he was a devil.



Precisely. Logic and Common sense serves well for the Mind. And it is Spiritual things that serves well for understanding spiritual things.

Judas knew himself as a believer and follower.
Jesus sent Judas as a believer and follower.



No. Our faith is a Gift from God.

God Bless,
Taken

You don't think our faith is a faith of reason?
Maybe you don't know what I mean.

What do you base YOUR faith on?
Did Jesus come to you in person one day?
Did you hear someone say something nice about Christianity?
You heard the word and believed it?
OK.
BUT,
how do you know it's all true??

 

[bbyrd009]

It's not like using a computer with the tab, handy on the screen. When responding it requires scrolling up to the tabs, down to the word, back up to the tabs, back down to continue writing...

ha, the struggle is real, huh? lol

bold works too, i guess. in html anyway, dunno about bb code

edit; yup, guess that works too! but you couldn't see it lol--i did a [ B ] bold [/ B ] there, sans spaces

 

[bbyrd009]

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do not read this

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yikes, heeelp!
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very weird

 

[bbyrd009]

This is true.
I got saved without instruction so I don't think you need instruction to GET SAVED.

But you do have to understand and know our faith in order to STAY saved.

Good way of putting this.

you know what things that you have to do are called, right


and the Good Samaritan, what about him?

 

[Taken]

ha, i know what you mean, even if i don't agree. Schools are teaching kids to roll over and play dead for cops right now, i guess.

Not sure what that means.
However kids should be taught to obey authority.

they work for me, not the other way around,

Actually they work for the government with authority to serve the public.

so once one gets "keeping the law" down--which i guess is what you meant here; even if you seem to be against that in other posts?

I never said I was against the law. I said more to the point, not all laws apply to everyone.

dunno--it becomes about my requirements for them, which i guess sounds uppity or whatever, but it isn't like that either. Let's just say the respect should be mutual lol

I think I see what you are saying...more like your child is under your direction, even when that direction conflicts with other authorities?

I agree with that to a point.
I taught my children to obey police officers, but then also taught them some other things that go along with that...such as;
To ask for identification; how to recognize legit. Id, and uniform; immediately ask for a parent to be summoned; if ever held, to answer no questions, or give a made up scenario, even if asked to, to not draw pictures, and repeatedly ask for a parent and if they can leave....that type of stuff.

As far as teachers; the same, to do as they say, and if uncomfortable or think it wrong; immediately aks for a pass to leave the room, and go to the office and call me.
And always prior as the school year would begin, I always met with every teacher my children were assigned to and personally gave them my own "they can not whatever", and then asked if "they" had any issue with that, now was the time to object.

It is simply teaching kids to understand what authority is, that they respect who has authority over them at any given time, and that What they are not mature enough to do for themselves, one of their parents is always available ANY time to step in.



God Bless,
Taken