Baptism question that seems unbiblical

[mjrhealth]

And NOWHERE is the Catholic Church called "The Roman Church" in Scripture . . .

Thats because its not in there is it?? Wont find teh word "catholic" anywhere...

 

[BreadOfLife]

Thats because its not in there is it?? Wont find teh word "catholic" anywhere...

Actually - that's not true Einsten.

Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:

“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”

According to Strong’s Greek Concordance – the verse is translated as:
“The true Church throughout all Judea . . .”

Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας

The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “ekklesia katah-holos”.

Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
Καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
Ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely

"Ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.

There ends the lesson for the day . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

ANd yet no catholic anywhere, not one spot, do you have that word engraved on your eye lids, or do you see things..??

Eklesia is called out ones, you are making up garbage again, defending a lie, twisting the truth as you do this bit

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

wil it never end, is your life not worth teh truth, or is your religion more important to you than your life.

 

[BreadOfLife]

ANd yet no catholic anywhere, not one spot, do you have that word engraved on your eye lids, or do you see things..??

Eklesia is called out ones, you are making up garbage again, defending a lie, twisting the truth as you do this bit

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

wil it never end, is your life not worth teh truth, or is your religion more important to you than your life.

It really bothers you to know that I'm right.
Look, I gave you the Scriptural AND linguistic evidence - and you're STILL din denial . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

It really bothers you to know that I'm right.
Look, I gave you the Scriptural AND linguistic evidence - and you're STILL din denial . . .

Teh only thing you are right about is that you are defending your religion. Like I said, you have not shown teh word "catholic" anywhere in teh bible because it does not exist. You know that bit about lying that you deny so often.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Teh only thing you are right about is that you are defending your religion. Like I said, you have not shown teh word "catholic" anywhere in teh bible because it does not exist. You know that bit about lying that you deny so often.

I already showed you where "Catholic" is in the Bible in Post #395 and #402.
In case you missed it - here it is - AGAIN:
Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:

“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”

According to Strong’s Greek Concordance – the verse is translated as:
“The true Church throughout all Judea . . .”

Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας

The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “ekklesia katah-holos”.

Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
Καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
Ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely

"Ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.

There ends the lesson for the day . . .[/QUOTE]

Actually - that's not true Einsten.

Acts 9:31 talks about how the Early Church grew throughout the region. The language used here describes the Catholic Church:

“Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced peace and thus was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and in the encouragement of the Holy Spirit, the church increased in numbers.”

According to Strong’s Greek Concordance – the verse is translated as:
“The true Church throughout all Judea . . .”

Here is the phrase in Greek:
η μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ ολης της ιουδαιας

The Catholic Church gets its name from the GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal” - εκκλησια καθ ολης, which is pronounced “ekklesia katah-holos”.

Εκκλησια (ekklesia) - A gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly; CHURCH
Καθ (katah) - Through out, according to
Ολης (holos) - All, whole, completely

"Ekklesia Kata-holos" = CATHOLIC CHURCH.


Now - you can continue to live in denial - or you can simply man-up and accept the truth of the Bible . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

no you have not, all you have done is make up a whole lot of nonsense to confound us all. There is no catholic church in teh bible, not anywhere, because it didnt exist. See you have to lie about the lie to make it your truth, as all you do. Your religion is a lie, its built upon a lie. it has no truth in it. and you are just like your religion, what a man is joined to, and that is what you have become.

 

[Stranger]

You can deny and hide behind Hans Kung all you want - but I destroyed his position in post #395 by quoting Acts 9:31.
As for your question - I already told you: Nowhere.

And NOWHERE is the Catholic Church called "The Roman Church" in Scripture . . .

You like to present some Protestants that agree with you. Are you hiding behind them. Or does that just apply when I find a Romanist who agrees with me and who has the credentials supporting his claim as a writer of Roman Churches History. So again, are your credentials as a Church historian greater than his?

You destroyed nothing. You just read verses about the Church and said that is the 'Catholic' church. You proved nothing.

That is right. The Roman Church is not called the Catholic Church in the Scriptures. And you are right in that the Catholic Church is not called the Roman Church in Scripture. Which is where you are mistaken in calling your Roman Church the Catholic Church.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

You like to present some Protestants that agree with you. Are you hiding behind them. Or does that just apply when I find a Romanist who agrees with me and who has the credentials supporting his claim as a writer of Roman Churches History. So again, are your credentials as a Church historian greater than his?

You destroyed nothing. You just read verses about the Church and said that is the 'Catholic' church. You proved nothing.

That is right. The Roman Church is not called the Catholic Church in the Scriptures. And you are right in that the Catholic Church is not called the Roman Church in Scripture. Which is where you are mistaken in calling your Roman Church the Catholic Church.

Stranger

The difference is that I gave you a litany of credible, respected Protestant theologians.
YOU, on the other hand, only gave me the name of ONE disgraced, dissident Catholic who obviously agrees with you.

Finally - I absolutely destroyed your (and Kung's) false claim that the term "Catholic Church" is NOT found anywhere in Scripture.

Try as you might - you can't argue with Acts 9:31 . . .

 

[Stranger]

The difference is that I gave you a litany of credible, respected Protestant theologians.
YOU, on the other hand, only gave me the name of ONE disgraced, dissident Catholic who obviously agrees with you.

Finally - I absolutely destroyed your (and Kung's) false claim that the term "Catholic Church" is NOT found anywhere in Scripture.

Try as you might - you can't argue with Acts 9:31 . . .

Or you gave me a litany of protestants you hide behind. With you, it just depends on who is doing the quoting. That the Roman Church turned against Kung is true. Is that your credits as a Roman Church historian? The Roman Church doesn't like him? Kung is a capable historian as he has proved. Just because a Pope or Rome doesn't like him doesn't take away from that.

So, what are your credits to being a Church historian? All you have told me thus far is that the Roman Church doesn't like Kung. Big deal.

(Acts 9:31) simply talks about how the churches grew and were at rest after Saul's conversion. There is nothing to indicate any Roman Church being over all the churches. Nothing to indiacte the universal church at all. It just says the individual churches were at rest, were edified, and walking in the fear of the Lord.

Really nothing to argue there.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Or you gave me a litany of protestants you hide behind. With you, it just depends on who is doing the quoting. That the Roman Church turned against Kung is true. Is that your credits as a Roman Church historian? The Roman Church doesn't like him? Kung is a capable historian as he has proved. Just because a Pope or Rome doesn't like him doesn't take away from that.

So, what are your credits to being a Church historian? All you have told me thus far is that the Roman Church doesn't like Kung. Big deal.

(Acts 9:31) simply talks about how the churches grew and were at rest after Saul's conversion. There is nothing to indicate any Roman Church being over all the churches. Nothing to indiacte the universal church at all. It just says the individual churches were at rest, were edified, and walking in the fear of the Lord.

Really nothing to argue there.

Stranger

I'm not "arguing" - I'm stating fact.

It's not the Church that doesn't like Kung - it's the other way around. This is proven by his heresy. When a person goes into heresy - they repudiate formerly-held beliefs.
The Church has NEVER changed a doctrinal position. Kung did.

Oh, and I never argued that Acts 9:31 spoke of the Primacy of the Church in Rome.
I simply taught you that is spoke of the "Catholic Church" - sand it does.

 

[Stranger]

I'm not "arguing" - I'm stating fact.

It's not the Church that doesn't like Kung - it's the other way around. This is proven by his heresy. When a person goes into heresy - they repudiate formerly-held beliefs.
The Church has NEVER changed a doctrinal position. Kung did.

Oh, and I never argued that Acts 9:31 spoke of the Primacy of the Church in Rome.
I simply taught you that is spoke of the "Catholic Church" - sand it does.

Kung has never denied the Roman church. The Roman Church at one time approved of him. Now they disapprove.

Well, that is the problem. The Roman Church doesn't change it's doctrine in places where it needs to. But, what does doctrine have to do with knowledge of the history of the Church. Nothing. And Kung is a capable historian.

Oh, wait, I see. Because Rome has twisted Church history to conform it so that it appears that all power is given to Rome, then to have one come along and give the true history is to take away from Rome's foundation. Kind of like what you do with (Acts 9:31). Nothing there about the 'Catholic Church'. Just about individual churches.

Apparently you have no credits to compare with Kung as a church historian. You are just a yes man for the Roman Church.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Kung has never denied the Roman church. The Roman Church at one time approved of him. Now they disapprove.

Well, that is the problem. The Roman Church doesn't change it's doctrine in places where it needs to. But, what does doctrine have to do with knowledge of the history of the Church. Nothing. And Kung is a capable historian.

Oh, wait, I see. Because Rome has twisted Church history to conform it so that it appears that all power is given to Rome, then to have one come along and give the true history is to take away from Rome's foundation. Kind of like what you do with (Acts 9:31). Nothing there about the 'Catholic Church'. Just about individual churches.

Apparently you have no credits to compare with Kung as a church historian. You are just a yes man for the Roman Church.

Stranger

And in the end, it was Kung who repudiated certain beliefs - NOT The Church.
Kung has an agenda. He is just another Protestant like YOU - rejecting Christ's Church in favor of the teachings of mere men.

The Catholic Church hasn't "twisted" history.
It has recorded its history - warts and all . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And in the end, it was Kung who repudiated certain beliefs - NOT The Church.
Kung has an agenda. He is just another Protestant like YOU - rejecting Christ's Church in favor of the teachings of mere men.

The Catholic Church hasn't "twisted" history.
It has recorded its history - warts and all . . .

Oh, by the way, what ever happened to Saint Christopher?
I don't see his statue on the dashboards of automobiles anymore.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh, by the way, what ever happened to Saint Christopher?
I don't see his statue on the dashboards of automobiles anymore.

That's not true at all.
I see St. Christopher medals AND statues all the time.

He wasn't "removed" - just his feast day.
Do your homework . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

That's not true at all.
I see St. Christopher medals AND statues all the time.

He wasn't "removed" - just his feast day.
Do your homework . . .

Prayers to St. Christopher:

Grant me O Lord a steady hand and a watchful eye, that no one shall be hurt as I pass by. Thou gavest life, I pray no act of mine may take away or mar that gift of Thine. Shelter those, dear Lord, who bear me company, from the evils of fire and all calamity. Teach me to use my car for others’ need; nor miss through love of undue speed the beauty of the world; that thus I may with joy and courtesy go on my way. St. Christopher, holy patron of travelers, protect me and lead me safely to my destiny.


Do you think he really protects you?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Prayers to St. Christopher:

Grant me O Lord a steady hand and a watchful eye, that no one shall be hurt as I pass by. Thou gavest life, I pray no act of mine may take away or mar that gift of Thine. Shelter those, dear Lord, who bear me company, from the evils of fire and all calamity. Teach me to use my car for others’ need; nor miss through love of undue speed the beauty of the world; that thus I may with joy and courtesy go on my way. St. Christopher, holy patron of travelers, protect me and lead me safely to my destiny.

Do you think he really protects you?

It's not St. Christopher who protects anybody.
It is a plea for help (prayer).

Read the opening words (in RED), sparky . . .

 

[Stranger]

And in the end, it was Kung who repudiated certain beliefs - NOT The Church.
Kung has an agenda. He is just another Protestant like YOU - rejecting Christ's Church in favor of the teachings of mere men.

The Catholic Church hasn't "twisted" history.
It has recorded its history - warts and all . . .

Kung was always a Romanist. He is not a protestant. You just don't like him. You reject, as all good Romanists do, any history that the pope doesnt' like. Any history that runs contrary to Rome. You can't be objective in history or doctrine. You must kiss the toe of the pope.

Oh yes, the Roman church twists history to conform to their opinion that they are over the Catholic Church of God.

How are your credentials greater than Kung's in being a Church historian?

Stranger

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

It's not St. Christopher who protects anybody.
It is a plea for help (prayer).

Read the opening words (in RED), sparky . . .

And you read my last sentence.
Contradiction?
Not surprised, are you?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Kung was always a Romanist. He is not a protestant. You just don't like him. You reject, as all good Romanists do, any history that the pope doesnt' like. Any history that runs contrary to Rome. You can't be objective in history or doctrine. You must kiss the toe of the pope.

Oh yes, the Roman church twists history to conform to their opinion that they are over the Catholic Church of God.

How are your credentials greater than Kung's in being a Church historian?

Stranger

Kung may be a "Romanist" whatever that is - but he's not a faithful Catholic.

Anyway - I never claimed to have "greater" credentials than Kung or anybody else. I trust in Christ's Church more than I do a disobedient dissident.

I do admire your scheming cowardice to a certain extent, however, because you completely derailed this topic into a conversation about Hans Kung when you were losing the original debate.

Bravo . . .