Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[Heb 13:8]

We STILL adhere to the Commandments.
If you think that Christians are NOT bound by the Commandments - then you have invented a different god for yourself.

no we just don't depend on them to keep us saved. we depend on grace.

We work OUT our salvation, not work FOR. For it is God who works in you.........

Phil 2:12-13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

God Bless.

 

[GodsGrace]

Not easy to do??
Sooooo, you don't think that there are millions and millions of people falling into grave sexual sin or gossip??
You NEVER hear people taking God's name in vain??

Not Christians.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not Christians.

I have - MANY times.

How do YOU know they aren't Christians?
Christians usually fall into 2 camps: Those who strive to be faithful and those who have a more "relaxed" attitude toward sin.

The latter are spoken of MANY times in Scripture (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet.r 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)


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[BreadOfLife]

no we just don't depend on them to keep us saved. we depend on grace.

We work OUT our salvation, not work FOR. For it is God who works in you.........

Phil 2:12-13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

God Bless.

The 10 Commandments are the MORAL LAW - and, yes we ARE bound by them.
Like I said - the fact that YOU don't believe this shows that you've invented a different god than the God of Scripture . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

I have - MANY times.

How do YOU know they aren't Christians?
Christians usually fall into 2 camps: Those who strive to be faithful and those who have a more "relaxed" attitude toward sin.

The latter are spoken of MANY times in Scripture (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Tim. 4:1, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet.r 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)


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I go by what people tell me.
Some tell me they don't want to hear about God. I'd say they're not Christian.
Some tell me they are Christian and I see that they make an effort to be nice people. I'd say they are Christian.

God will figure out who's saved and who is not. The ones I know that say they're Christian do not take the name of God in vain. I have a group of friends that are born again Catholics. We hang out a lot. 3 of them are divorced through no fault of their own. They're very sorry their husband left them for another woman. They're very traditional and not relaxed - they take their faith seriously.

I find that Christians do their best not to sin...and when they do, God forgives them if they're sorry for having sinned.

 

[GodsGrace]

We are no longer under the law but under grace. why do religious people put back under the law that nobody can follow? I prefer sanctification over law.

What is sanctification?
What is law?

Sanctification requires following the moral law.
Where does the bible say the moral law has been done away with?
Which law is it talking about?

 

[GodsGrace]

no we just don't depend on them to keep us saved. we depend on grace.

We work OUT our salvation, not work FOR. For it is God who works in you.........

Phil 2:12-13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

God Bless.

You make interesting comments...
What's the difference between working OUT our salvation and working FOR our salvation. Isn't it the same?

Philippians 2:12-13
What do you think verse 13 means?
If it's God working in us, then when we sin, doesn't that mean that God failed?

 

[BreadOfLife]

I go by what people tell me.
Some tell me they don't want to hear about God. I'd say they're not Christian.
Some tell me they are Christian and I see that they make an effort to be nice people. I'd say they are Christian.

God will figure out who's saved and who is not. The ones I know that say they're Christian do not take the name of God in vain. I have a group of friends that are born again Catholics. We hang out a lot. 3 of them are divorced through no fault of their own. They're very sorry their husband left them for another woman. They're very traditional and not relaxed - they take their faith seriously.

I find that Christians do their best not to sin...and when they do, God forgives them if they're sorry for having sinned.

I agree that Christians SHOULD do their best not to sin - but NOT all do.

I know many Christians who have slid to a point of complacency toward sin. they still believe that Jesus is their Savior - but they have taken on a casual attitude toward sin.

This doesn't mean that they're NOT Christians anymore. It simply means that they are not very faithful ones.
I fear for them because they will be judged harsher that those who never knew Christ.

 

[BreadOfLife]

We work OUT our salvation, not work FOR. For it is God who works in you.........

Phil 2:12-13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

I'm curious how YOU interpret this passage.
Please explain your comment in RED.

 

[GodsGrace]

I agree that Christians SHOULD do their best not to sin - but NOT all do.

I know many Christians who have slid to a point of complacency toward sin. they still believe that Jesus is their Savior - but they have taken on a casual attitude toward sin.

This doesn't mean that they're NOT Christians anymore. It simply means that they are not very faithful ones.
I fear for them because they will be judged harsher that those who never knew Christ.

I think that if a person slides to a point of complacency toward sin, they've probably lost their salvation.
1 John 2:1 says that John is writing so that we may not sin. Since in 1 John 1 John says that we do sin, then in chapter 2 John means so that we may not live a LIFE OF SIN. See also 1 John 3:9
If we live a life of sin, we have abandoned what we heard from the beginning.
1 John 2:24
If we must abide in what we have heard from the beginning to have the Father abide in us, it means that if we DO NOT, then the Father will no longer abide in us.

 

[Taken]

Wrong.

Your negativity is you.

A born again man is a MEMBER of Christ's Church.

Eph 5:30
We are MEMBERS of his body.

No single person comprises the whole Church

Who said such a Stupid thing....oh right you are saying that, and disagreeing with your self.

because Jesus is the HEAD of that Church.

THAT church? THAT Church IS Christ's Church, He is building every time a soul is saved and spirit is born again.

Jesus equated His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

No kidding! Lol

You need to read 1 Cor. 12 very closely before you make such a ridiculous claim . . .

Awe why are you the only one allowed to make ridiculous claims...? LOL

WRONG

Such negativity out of YOUR mouth, says much about your life.

READ the following very closely:
John 20:21-23
Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU retain are retained."

Okay, so you are a Jew....taught by a Jew...
With the understanding according to Jewish laws, men forgave men of sins. Whoop, whoop.

I'm not!

Jesus gave the Apostles the power to FORGIVE sins in His name - not just to "testify of Jesus."

No. Jesus SENT them to preach the Gospel, and Testify...HOW AND WHO forgives Sins.

Act 10:43
To him give all the prophets WITNESS, that THROUGH HIS NAME WHOSOEVER believeth in him SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS.

WRONG again.

Such a negative person, how depressing for you.

". . . h

e breathed on them

and said to them,

"Receive the Holy Spirit."

Awesome, the Holy Spirit was UPON them.

Too bad you didn't learn the Holy Spirit did not DWELL WITHIN them until AFTER Jesus arose to Heaven...

Silly boy.

WRONG

Your negativity must be haunting to your family, sheesh, the time you are here it's overwhelming.

What did the Father send Jesus here to do?? To FORGIVE SIN.

Actually there is a long list of things He came to do.

Yours is simply a denial of what Scripture plainly says . . .

You are without understanding,
And duped.
You go to A Priest, address HIM as Father, and ASK HIM for forgiveness. You think HE IS FORGIVING YOU.
So, Does your Priest ever say "I FORGIVE YOU YOUR SINS" lol, I doubt it. He has not the POWER to FORGIVE YOUR SINS. He can only tell you your sins ARE FORGIVEN.

But I bet you walk away BELIEVING YOUR PRIEST "FORGAVE YOUR SINS".... just as you are desperately trying to TEACH NOW. Lol

QUOTE]you've rejected
You've rejected [/QUOTE]

Shut your yap with your False accusations.
Go vomit your endless negativity and ignorance out of your corrupt heart and mind on someone else.

 

[Taken]

You're tripping over your own words.
The text in RED is a giant contradiction.

FIRST, you say that the people that James was writing to weren't born again Christians at all - and NOW you're saying that SOME were and some weren't. James told ALL of them to "confess their SINS" (James 5:16), which means that ALL of them still sinned.

Your shaky house of cards has collapsed once again . . .

WRONG again, sparky.

Paul says that HE, a born again Christian still sinned (Rom. 7:14-25, 1 Tim. 1:15).
Paul says that Peter sinned (Gal. 2:11).
John says that born again Christians still sin and included himself (1 John 1:8).
James says that born again Christians still sin (James 5:16).

YOU'RE the only one who denies that you sin, which means that the truth is NOT in you (1 John 1:8).
Good luck with that when you are being judged by Christ.

I'll continue to pray for your arrogant soul . . .

Never pray for me, ever.
EWEE!!!
I have ZERO desire that a foot-soldier for Satan, admittedly "unsaved", engrossed in negativity, to speak on my behalf.

 

[Taken]

I John 3:9

Whosever is born of God, doth not commit sin..
Can not Sin.

Why are so many claiming to be Born of God AND STILL SINNING?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Heb 13:8]

The 10 Commandments are the MORAL LAW - and, yes we ARE bound by them.
Like I said - the fact that YOU don't believe this shows that you've invented a different god than the God of Scripture . . .

Right, but believers follow the law out of love, not religion.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

What is sanctification?
What is law?

Sanctification requires following the moral law.
Where does the bible say the moral law has been done away with?
Which law is it talking about?

Believers follow the law out of love, not religion.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

You make interesting comments...
What's the difference between working OUT our salvation and working FOR our salvation. Isn't it the same?

Philippians 2:12-13
What do you think verse 13 means?
If it's God working in us, then when we sin, doesn't that mean that God failed?

Well, that's the difference isn't it. Believers feel remorseful when they sin. I believe it's called Godly sorrow.

I'm curious how YOU interpret this passage.
Please explain your comment in RED.

Well, what are your thoughts on Godly sorrow and sanctification.

Believers already know that there is nothing they can do to keep their salvation, but they also know that they have authority over sin, which gives them the "passion" to walk away from sin and become more like Christ. It's a life long process.

 

[tabletalk]

I John 3:9

Whosever is born of God, doth not commit sin..
Can not Sin.

Why are so many claiming to be Born of God AND STILL SINNING?

God Bless,
Taken

How many people do you know, personally, who never sin?

God keeps us saved for as long as we want to be saved.
I'm a believer of free will.
I don't believe God keeps us saved if we wish to walk away from Him. If He did it just means that we're a bunch of robots which He controls. I don't believe God wants people to love Him out of force, the bible teaches me that He wants us to love Him freely.

The sealing of the Holy Spirit is true. We are sealed as an earnest. As a down payment, as assurance of an intent to pay. But we must make the payment to receive what was promised in the end. Much like making a down payment for a car, if we don't make the payments every month, in the end the car will not be ours.

The Holy Spirit dwells in us.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is within us. We have been bought with a price, therefore we are to glorify God. And what if I want to stop glorifying God? Am I not allowed to do so by my free will?

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having these promises, we are to cleanse ourselves from all defilement, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Yes. Our salvation is up to us to continue in the word of God.

The sealing is a down payment guaranteeing us what is to come which is far better, our entry into heaven, IF we continue in our salvation, or sanctification.

The bible plainly shows this in many verses.

2 Peter 3:17
17You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,

1 John 2:24
24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

Romans 11:22
22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

You said: "The sealing of the Holy Spirit is true. We are sealed as an earnest. As a down payment, as assurance of an intent to pay. But we must make the payment to receive what was promised in the end."

I didn't, and never could, pay for the grace I received which saved me.

 

[Taken]

What is sanctification?

Sanctification is to make something set apart, holy, purified, free from sin.

It is Part of the Change God makes in a man who has submitted to the Lord in belief in his heart.

What is law?

It is a prescribed binding rules given to particular people, under the authority of a particular to enforce the rule.

Sanctification requires following the moral law.

No.
Laws are for the unknowing and unruly.

Sanctification is a gift from God, setting men with Him apart from men who are against Him.

Where does the bible say the moral law has been done away with?

It doesn't. What Scripture says is; All the "commandments" all together hang on two things...
.1) Love the Lord with your All
.2) Love all people.

None of the commandments can be accomplished by a man, without the Lord.

A man who has the Indwelling Spirit of God...
Is accomplished, forgiven, set apart, freed from sin, Loves the Lord, Loves other People;
By the Lord Power, not his own.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

How many people do you know, personally, who never sin?

Every man that is saved and born again!

You said: "The sealing of the Holy Spirit is true. We are sealed as an earnest. As a down payment, as assurance of an intent to pay. But we must make the payment to receive what was promised in the end."

And what "PAYMENT" would that be?

I didn't, and never could, pay for the grace I received which saved me.

No kidding, who said you did?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[tabletalk]

Every man that is saved and born again!



And what "PAYMENT" would that be?



No kidding, who said you did?

God Bless,
Taken

It is not printing all the remarks in your post.
But, when you said: 'And what "PAYMENT" would that be?' I did not make that statement.
When you said: 'No kidding, who said you did?' I was not directing that statement to you. Both statements were from/to GodsGrace.

 

[mjrhealth]

No - you didn't read the previous posts or you wouldn't have asked such a ridiculous question.

Well i have never seeing you say anything sensible, guess that makes us even, does it not..

 

[Taken]

It is not printing all the remarks in your post.
But, when you said: 'And what "PAYMENT" would that be?' I did not make that statement.
When you said: 'No kidding, who said you did?' I was not directing that statement to you. Both statements were from/to GodsGrace.

My apologies.
God Bless,
Taken