The Inquisitions

[mjrhealth]

Not based on your unrational idea that Christian Churches represent satan and your ego represents Jesus.

You do seriously have a problem with Christ Alone, like all religious men. Irrational its in teh bible..

Luk_14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk_14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk_14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Mat_8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Mar_10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Joh_10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh_10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh_12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

so which religion do you follow and why not any of teh other "christian" churches, are the ynot all "christian" churches.

 

[bbyrd009]

Not based on your unrational idea that Christian Churches represent satan and your ego represents Jesus.

which i do understand the justification for, i guess, but ya.
not sure how you could hold a mirror up to part 2 there, mjr...the 'victim mentality' flavor, maybe
and fwiw i'd invite you to preach, over many famous pastors regardless, @mjrhealth

 

[bbyrd009]

You do seriously have a problem with Christ Alone, like all religious men. Irrational its in teh bible..

tbh there's way worse models than the one Aspen describes imo, and it is a fair assessment. Of course your ego won't work for Christ, but it strikes me as a good step on the path, at least you are not trying to emulate the ICP or whatever lol. Prolly describes me pretty good too, i guess

 

[Marymog]

Not me. Not interested, Troll.

Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness.
Their end will correspond to their deeds.

LOL....Ok Thank you.

You do know what a troll is, don't you????

An Internet troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Do you know what your very first post was in this thread/topic about The Inquisition's???

It was Post #136 and this is what you wrote: Here's my opinion, for what it's worth: The catholic church is a cult.

Compared to my post which was post #30!!!!

Sooooo who is the real troll here???

Shining the light of truth on the dishonest......Mary

 

[Marymog]

Your entire post reveals a woman in complete obstinate denial...refusing to acknowledge that I even replied. Saying I was obfuscating? I suggested previously several books you could read. Here's another one. I will even post a link to the actual PDF so you can't claim you couldn't find it.
http://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/religion.occult.new_age/occult.conspiracy.and.related/McCarty - The Suppressed Truth about the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln (1924).pdf

If you truly want to inquire regarding truth as you appear to confess, Then the above book I offer for your reading. Be it far from me that should obfuscate.

Can you give me an example? Perhaps if I offered one to get you started. The trial of Guy Fawkes and his several associates was held in court. The magistrates and the government was certainly Protestant. The king, James 1 was also Protestant. Guy Fawkes and his companions were not. They were Catholics. They were being tried for treason. Why? Because they attempted to blow up parliament with several barrels of gunpowder that had been surreptitiously stowed under the debating chamber where the King was due to speak to all the Lords and rulers of the nation. They were tried and hung. Okay, now its your turn.


See and read above book. I don't know how old you are, but if you were living in the early 60s and old enough to remember the news, you may remember coverage of suicides by Buddhist monks in Saigon. They were sitting in the middle of the main thoroughfare and dousing themselves with petrol and setting themselves alight. Terrible sight, and very very sad. Do you remember why they were doing this? Let me remind you in case you've forgotten, or in case you didn't know; and for anyone else who may be reading this. They were protesting. Against what you may ask. Against the government? Yes. Why? Because the government, mean and nasty as they were, were persecuting the Buddhists. Oh dear you may declare, that isn't good. No Mary, it wasn't. But wasn't Vietnam a Buddhist country? Yes it was. 90% of the population was Buddhist. So how come the government was so powerful as to be able to persecute such a majority? Were they religious but not Buddhist? Good questions Mary.
The government at that time, in the late 50s and early 60s was run by a family. One brother was the president, another the leader of the security division, another relative headed the army etc etc. A real family affair if you understand what I mean. There's a name for that< I can't remember what it is. Perhaps someone else can tell us? Nepotism?
Anyway, it so happened that this family happened to be Roman Catholic. Yes Mary. Catholic. But they had other problems also apart from these nuisance Buddhists. Things were stirring up north. The communists were on the move, and threatening to invade. What to do? They were outnumbered, out classed, and outgunned. So they did what every good Catholic does, they appeal to their god. So off they went, sending a delegation to their savior, the pope in Rome. And what does he do? He sent a delegation to the President of the US, who it so hapened at that time to be one John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Remember him? A hero to all Catholics the world over, including me. I was 11 years old when he was elected to the office of POTUS. Very proud I was as all Catholics were. So knocking upon the door to the white house comes Cardinal Spellman. He was a Jesuit trained priest whose best buddy was Euginio Paccelli, who was later to be the pope during Hitlers rise to power and around which there are many rumours...but that's another story. Let us not digress. So Mr Kennedy politey received the Cardinal to his office, several times. In fact, several more times. The Cardinal was a very determined man. Why? What is a prelate doing getting so interested and involved in politics? Oh, he was delivering a message. A message from none other than the pope. The message was a request. In fact, because all good Catholics are supposed to serve the Pope first, and the nation second, The request was more of a command. The 'request' was to send troops to south Vietnam to defend the 'good noble Catholic family' currently ruling that nation. And, as a good Catholic should do, President Kennedy refused. What!!! Refused???? My goodness!! Seriously? Kennedy denied a request from the POPE!!!????? Yes Mary. He did. Next minute, he's dead. Next minute, Johnson the VP comes to power, receives the same request, and sends troops in immediately. And embroils the entire United States into a conflict that cost thousands of lives all as a result of a command from Rome to defend a corrupt merciless cruel persecuting power in the guise of Catholicism. Obfuscating? Me?? Never!

Oh goodness.

Thank you. I appreciate your time and effort.

Mary

 

[aspen]

You do seriously have a problem with Christ Alone, like all religious men. Irrational its in teh bible..

Luk_14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk_14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk_14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Mat_8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Mar_10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Joh_10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh_10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh_12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

so which religion do you follow and why not any of teh other "christian" churches, are the ynot all "christian" churches.

Christ Alone is an oxymoron. Alone suggests Hell. It is radical individualism. Christ was alone for one moment in His existence - on the cross when He was forsaken on the Cross by the Father. He would never preach against community or being united with His body - God + neighbor.

When Christ preached Himself to be the Way, The Truth and the Life and being the only Way to the Father - He is teaching us to imitate His unity.

 

[brakelite]

Christ Alone is an oxymoron. Alone suggests Hell. It is radical individualism. Christ was alone for one moment in His existence - on the cross when He was forsaken on the Cross by the Father. He would never preach against community or being united with His body - God + neighbor.

When Christ preached Himself to be the Way, The Truth and the Life and being the only Way to the Father - He is teaching us to imitate His unity.

Agreed. John 17 is one of my favourite portions of scripture, and this particular piece is, when studied thoughtfully and closely, astonishing in its scope and depth.
20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Jesus never prayed for the impossible. But sometimes we get things back to front. We look to the denomination first that we 'like', then look for God in that 'church'. Jesus here is saying that first (as He said in the sermon on the mount, "seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness") at least for Him, the priority was to be one with Him and the Father. What is astonishing is that Jesus was saying, even praying for, that oneness to be as close as Jesus is with His Father. We may have that if we have faith. Then we look for the right church that is the best expression of that unity within our humanity, which admittedly doesn't always meet the standard set. But it is possible. Being a member of a particular denomination (or non-denomination) is not the same as being in union with the Father and Son. Union with God first, community second. It is our union with the Father and Son that evidences to the world that Christ is the true begotten Son sent of the Father as Savior....21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

 

[mjrhealth]

Not based on your unrational idea that Christian Churches represent satan and your ego represents Jesus.

What you mean to say, is you like it your way, and you dont have a better one, Thats fine its your choice.

 

[aspen]

What you mean to say, is you like it your way, and you dont have a better one, Thats fine its your choice.

Condescension noted.

 

[bbyrd009]

You do seriously have a problem with Christ Alone, like all religious men.

that's it, mjr, tell him about his problems lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Christ Alone is an oxymoron. Alone suggests Hell. It is radical individualism. Christ was alone for one moment in His existence - on the cross when He was forsaken on the Cross by the Father. He would never preach against community or being united with His body - God + neighbor.

When Christ preached Himself to be the Way, The Truth and the Life and being the only Way to the Father - He is teaching us to imitate His unity.

wow, good points A

 

[mjrhealth]

wow, good points A

Dont you realise bbyrd, that you will be all alone on judgement day, no one to hold your hand to stand up for you. No one will ever be able to say, "but they lied to me", as you could just listen to Jesus, your walk is yours alone, no one can do it for you. No one to blame but yourself,

 

[bbyrd009]

Dont you realise bbyrd, that you will be all alone on judgement day, no one to hold your hand to stand up for you. No one will ever be able to say, "but they lied to me", as you could just listen to Jesus, your walk is yours alone, no one can do it for you. No one to blame but yourself,

i'm not quite sure what your point is here, mjr--had to track back, to read Aspen's post, and going from that my reply is that judgement day is today, regardless of any misinterpretation of the vv that might suggest otherwise to a logical reader, as Understand I AM explains, imo. So really we are speaking at cross-purposes here, and imo you enter into -mancy as soon as you declare to me what will happen tomorrow, as Scripture also explains in several places. (ignoring here that you are also incorrect imo, and my hand is being held, according to the Book; I will never leave you nor forsake you)

Now, as to the "all alone" part, part two now i guess, i am assured that i am never alone, just as Jesus was never alone, and i find the "Jesus alone" perspective to be = Doctor Worship--i think that's the thread we're on, maybe not--which maybe makes no sense until you consider doctor worship, and the implications there. Briefly, if you worship Jesus, you will natch feel disconnected and all alone, right now.

And judgement day to me is simply the day of reaping, at least in one sense, the most important one imo; obviously i have just judged the matter myself in another sense. Another way to put that might be "judge as you go, and make adjustments, if your ego can take it; and pay the price if it can't."

As to this "listening to Jesus," "satan appears as an angel of light," so imo anything you hear from Jesus should be put through the fire first; truth is established in the mouth of witnesses, right. Of course that is a whole course of study all on its own, and i don't mean give up your will to witnesses, as often as not the witnesses' justifications for their (contrary) positions might even cause one to feel more secure in their positions, but for sure you will reap what you sow regardless, i guess

 

[mjrhealth]

Now, as to the "all alone" part, part two now i guess, i am assured that i am never alone, just as Jesus was never alone, and i find the "Jesus alone

Well at least you get that part, we are never alone. Remember Jesus. 40 days in the desert"alone" tempted by the devil. As I said it is you and Jesus, no one can walk your walk for you, a relationship requires 2 people.

 

[bbyrd009]

Well at least you get that part

gee tks

 

[Triumph1300]

As to this "listening to Jesus," "satan appears as an angel of light," so imo anything you hear from Jesus should be put through the fire first; truth is established in the mouth of witnesses, right.

Witnesses.......Could be false witnesses.
That's where the Holy Spirit will be of help.

 

[bbyrd009]

Witnesses.......Could be false witnesses.
That's where the Holy Spirit will be of help.

ya, even a false witness serves the truth vicariously though, huh

 

[bbyrd009]

That's where the Holy Spirit will be of help.

the Spirit also seems to have no problem allowing a false belief if it will end up serving the believer in the end, i've noticed.
I only mention this bc most ppl would never admit to having been "misled" by the Spirit, but it does happen imo.

exs might be multiple wives, prohibitions against eating pork...there are more apropos examples too i guess.
Listen to them, and give them a king

 

[Triumph1300]

The God of the Bible is a God of integrity.
It is impossible for God to lie (Heb. 6:18).
Our Lord Jesus Christ has transparent ministry.
The Holy Spirit is totally, thoroughly and completely honest.
Jesus called Him the Spirit of truth (John 14:17).

 

[tabletalk]

Instead of using 'the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God' (Eph. 6:17), the Catholic Church used the sword of the secular powers to combat heresy.