Surely you jest? You brought up me using the name Yeshua. Now you wish you hadn't because I exposed the name "Jesus" for what it really is. You falsely accuse me of making you feel inferior when, in reality, I teach you out of love.
Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy
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All this arguing over what day Jesus rose from the dead...what day the disciples met to break bread....what day Gentiles called the Sabbath, whether the first day or 7th....are really quite irrelevant. The question we need an answer to is...
Has the Creator God removed the sanctity of one day to another, or has He removed the sanctity all together ????
Even if (And I don't believe there is any real evidence they did) the apostles and apostolic church met on the first day of the week, unless one can prove from scripture that God has declared "I have removed the holiness from the 7th day, so now you'll can do what you like on that day...and I have made the 1st day holy, so whatever you did on the 7th day is now transferred to the first", then the apostles and early church was wrong.
Now you may think I am asking too much. But what you are asking me to do is ignore or deliberately disobey a specific commandment, one that stood for over a 1000 years in legal form, and one that began in practice at creation. As evidence for that proposal you are offering circumstantial evidence of others' disobedience! Do many murders and wars and killing and violence absolve people from their obligation to obey the 6th commandment? Does the modern practice of common lust and free sex absolve anyone from the 7th? Even if Peter, James and John and Paul themselves ritually had services every Sunday morning without fail, collected money, sang hymns, had a pot luck lunch afterwards, how does that absolve me from my obligation to obey the 4th commandment unless someone offers me a "thus saith the Lord" in its support?
Has the Creator God removed the sanctity of one day to another, or has He removed the sanctity all together ????
Even if (And I don't believe there is any real evidence they did) the apostles and apostolic church met on the first day of the week, unless one can prove from scripture that God has declared "I have removed the holiness from the 7th day, so now you'll can do what you like on that day...and I have made the 1st day holy, so whatever you did on the 7th day is now transferred to the first", then the apostles and early church was wrong.
Now you may think I am asking too much. But what you are asking me to do is ignore or deliberately disobey a specific commandment, one that stood for over a 1000 years in legal form, and one that began in practice at creation. As evidence for that proposal you are offering circumstantial evidence of others' disobedience! Do many murders and wars and killing and violence absolve people from their obligation to obey the 6th commandment? Does the modern practice of common lust and free sex absolve anyone from the 7th? Even if Peter, James and John and Paul themselves ritually had services every Sunday morning without fail, collected money, sang hymns, had a pot luck lunch afterwards, how does that absolve me from my obligation to obey the 4th commandment unless someone offers me a "thus saith the Lord" in its support?
If the Fourth Commandment is not about worship, it is much ado about nothing. Just noise.
But the Fourth Commandment was (and still is) about man's DEBT in not 'keeping the day holy'.
Yes, worship as the Body of Christ's own in holy assembling together in worship is in line with keeping the day holy, but "the day The Seventh Day OF THE LORD GOD", NOT 'keeping holy' by Congregational worship 'on any day we', can, want, or do. Worship of the Congregation on the Sabbath, is about the whole Body, the Church, 'maintaining the holiness' of the Sabbath, 'already made holy by a holy God'. But even more important, for NO REASON WHATSOEVER THAN 'what you find in Matthew 28', there will be nothing about God blessing and hallowing by finishing and RESTING "ON the day The Seventh Day from ALL his works" IF NOT through and in Jesus Christ through and in RESURRECTION from the dead "ON the day The Seventh Day SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD". Yes, 'Nothing'!
We cannot be sure Jesus did not resurrect at the end of the Sabbath because the tomb was already empty when the Marys got there on Sunday. If only by the fact
the tomb was already empty when the Marys got there on Sunday does not exclude that He rose any time before they got to the tomb and after the end of the Sabbath--THEORETICALLY.
We know though that Jesus resurrected "ON THE SABBATH BEFORE the First Day of the week" by three things, only, 1) by it having been WRITTEN BEFORE, Hebrews 4:4 and myriads more Scriptures; 2) by it having been WRITTEN WHEN, WHILE He rose from the dead inside the grave, Matthew 28; and 3) by all the NT Scriptures by implication taking the truth for granted as basis for the practice of the Body of Christ's own "in eating and drinking of Sabbaths' Feast of Christ The Substance." Colossians 2:1-19 Ephesians 1 et al.
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Yes, for you. because for you it is your theories at stake like rows of question marks.
But what really is relevant and of importance is what GOD says; what God DID AND WHEN He did it; what is WRITTEN whether once or many times; WHAT TRUTH IS, only the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but, God's Truth! Therefore all this 'arguing' over what day Jesus rose from the dead...what day the disciples met to break bread....what day Gentiles called the Sabbath, whether the first day or 7th....are relevant and important as God's Acts by His Christ for our salvation.
Take it, or leave it, and leave in peace those who find these TRUTHS relevant and of greatest interest and importance pertaining their salvation. EVERYONE KNOWS the Creator God did not remove the sanctity of one day to another, or removed the sanctity all together. They need not question the sanctity of the Christians' Day of Worship-Rest or have at all questioned it, ever. WHAT MATTERS IS WHETHER JESUS' RESURRECTION OR THE STONE-ENGRAVED LAW SUPPLIES THE SANCTITY OR NOT.
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What theories of mine? I am not offering any theory. It is everyone else's theories that I believe are irrelevant. Theories such as the day of the resurrection determining which is the day of Sabbath. Theories such as a fear filled hiding of the apostles determining the first day as the Sabbath. Theories such as an "in between" first day sabbath somehow superceding every other Sabbath. It is these theories...these man-made theories and traditions, on the strength of which is supposed that a commandment is annulled. All I am saying is until someone presents a "thus saith the Lord" I will continue to honor a day established as holy by a holy God.
Don't know what 'lickity split' means? To guess? or what?
In any case, don't know what you mean by 'all this'. All I told them was the 'interpretation' of the one word, 'Sabbatohn' / 'sabbatohn' in a phrase with a numbered day, as in Matthew 28:1, depends on NT Greek Idiom. That was all. And with that said I meant to explain to them the meaning cannot be determined by pre-set doctrinal theory.
Yes, starting in verse 1 with the historical coincidental Resurrection events. And the Resurrection is the PROFOUND MESSAGE ENCODED WITHIN THE TEXT! Thanks for placing the profound words OF DIVINE TRUTH in my mouth.
Overall a good and sober, factual post.
Just about, 'It is a fact that the weekly Sabbath and the holy day of Abib 15 fell on the same day the year Yeshua died', I have to say, it is incorrect. The weekly Sabbath followed on the passover sabbath in that year, which is evident from indisputable and impossible to miss written indications; and not 'all work' was prohibited on either of the two 'sabbaths', especially not on the first one, the yearly.
I have yet to find the researcher(s) who attribute to Jesus' BURIAL its Passover-of-Yahweh BONE-DAY as it should!
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"Jesus" is NOT an English name. Yes, neither are Paul and John.
So what if it is a 'conglomeration of Hebrew, Greek, Latin and English'? So nothing!
'The name the Almighty commanded him to be named was "Yeshua"'and you're absolutely sure The Name was no 'conglomeration' of different names in the 'original'.
'That was poorly transliterated into Greek as "Iesous".' That was transcribed perfectly into Christian NT Greek. Then whatever into Latin as it is of no concern.
'"Iesus" is the supposed English name used in the 1611 KJV. That was later changed to "Jesus" when the letter "J" was invented.'
Not I or anyone of us knows about that. You can tell us anything you like and how do you expect us to believe one word you say?
'I prefer to use his original name rather than a name I know to be false.'
You as little as any of us 'know his original name'. Have you heard the Father addressing the Son and call His Name?! The Name Christians use is Jesus and isn't false; something else here is very false.
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So where may I ask are they going to go, if not Heaven, judgemnent is death, separation from God even without the fire its not a nice place to be. And there will be a lot of lawyers amongst the religious there , found guilty of breaking the law, because teh law is all about the flesh, you doing something to prove yourself to God, grace is all about Jesus and all that HE has done, which no matter how much you do will never ever even come close.
So keep teh sabbath as best you can and try keep the law if you must, just don t lay that stumbling stone before men, most christians have enough trouble stumbling over Jesus.
God bless
This is not what matters in this thread. The OP concerns the sanctity of the 7th day, not the sanctity of the people who keep it. It concerns whether or not that sanctity was removed or placed on another day. Sanctity through law keeping is not the issue.
The bottom line is this:
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
The 7th day was sanctified BEFORE a "STONE-ENGRAVED LAW" was ever given.
Even if someone showed the disciples held church service on a Sunday (I don't believe they did as a weekly practice), all that proves is that the disciples did so in addition to keeping the 7th day holy. Unless a command is provided saying the 7th day is no longer sanctified or holy, then it remains sanctified and holy.
Verse 1 does no such thing. The resurrection is not revealed until verse 6.
Rollo Tamasi
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Where's the love in telling us English speaking people that Jesus is false?
Do you go around the world in every language telling everyone they are false?
Rollo Tamasi
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That's because you've made yourself a foreigner and can no longer understand an analogy in English.
Triumph1300
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Any time someone teaches what is correct over what is error is an act of love. If you would rather hang on to what is error, then you are not worshiping the Almighty in truth (John 4:23-24).
So let me ask you Rollo, if a new letter is invented in the English language tomorrow (for example, pretend the letter m was never invented until tomorrow) that changes the Savior's name from "Jesus" to "Mesus", would you begin calling your Savior Mesus? If so, then you are worse off than I thought. Yet, that is exactly what happened when the name went from "Iesus" to "Jesus" in English. I refuse to follow such folly. Therefore, the best course of action for me is to restore the Savior's name as best I can.
Rollo Tamasi
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One thing leads to another.
The next thing you know your whole life is negative and no one wants to talk to you.
Actually, I was and still am a "John Smith". As a "John Smith" I used "Jesus" for the first 32 years of my life until I was shown how that name is not even close to his true name.
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