An Unknown Tongue

[Frank Lee]

You said:" Isaiah 32:4 KJVS
The heart also of the rash shall understand knowledge, and the tongue of the stammerers shall be ready to speak plainly.

stammerers refers to those that pray in the spirit - in tongues."

How do you come to interpret 'stammerers' to mean speaking in tongues?

QUOTE...

" How do you come to interpret 'stammerers' to mean speaking in tongues?"

By the experience of speaking in tongues for the past forty years. Many languages, and I don't propose that I know which language I'm speaking, have expressions that sound repetitive, as if stammering.

Isaiah 28:11-12 KJVS
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
[12] To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

The above scriptures speak again to the stammering vs 11, and to the building up, the rest in vs 12 which is a reference to the NT scripture 1 Corinthians 14:4

1 Corinthians 14:4 NASB
One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church.

The Word here EDIFIES in the strong's concordance is number G3618
"to build a house, erect a building
to build (up from the foundation)
to restore by building, to rebuild, repair"

Prayer in the spirit, praying in tongues is as the charging of the battery. Refer to Jude, vs 20;

Jude 1:20 KJVS
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
In the new testament letters

1. Praying in the spirit, praying in the Holy Ghost, praying or speaking in tongues is used interchangeably.

In Ephesians prayer in the spirit is part of our spiritual weaponry.

Ephesians 6:18 KJVS
Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;


Many times the adversary tries to prevent or to stumble you from prayer in the spirit - tongues. He will flood you with all kinds of thoughts to divert you from praying in the spirit. I've fought thus many times, starting prayer in tongues to find that I stopped to consider some thought - some firey dart shot at me. This is a common ploy against believers. He wants to stop all prayer especially prayer in the Holy Spirit. God "spiritually encrypts" the prayers in the spirit so that satan cannot interpret them.

This is verified by brother Paul's words;
1 Corinthians 14:2 KJVS
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him ; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

As to the value of edifying, building up...

1 Corinthians 14:18 KJVS
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

Yes I speak with tongues every day. Yes it's a gift of God through the Holy Spirit, yes I've stood in church services and prophesied.

Would to God I could share the wonderful things, the part I've been taught, regarding gifts of the spirit.

It's only because I was never taught against God's gifts that I've been able to receive them.
Matthew 10:7-8 KJVS
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. [8] Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

 

[pia]

To believers no explanation is necessary. To unbelievers and deniers no explanation is sufficient.

Good post Frank......I find what you wrote ( which I highlighted) to be true in many things, but yeah, surely when it comes to our Lord

 

[pia]

It's only because I was never taught against God's gifts that I've been able to receive them.

Wonderful and a big Amen to that !

 

[amadeus]

@Frank Lee
Yes Frank, a good post. I also speak in tongues in prayer every day. It began with me 42 years ago and continues... People should be very slow to criticize what they have not experienced.

Give God the glory!

 

[bbyrd009]

When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put aside childish things.

 

[Frank Lee]

@Frank Lee
Yes Frank, a good post. I also speak in tongues in prayer every day. It began with me 42 years ago and continues... People should be very slow to criticize what they have not experienced.

Give God the glory!

Yes amen.
In the negative attacks against the gifts of God I see also teachings aplenty. How peculiar that the word of God be denied as false. Doctrines of denominations that reach against what is plainly written must be exposed and brought down.

Luke 11:13 KJVS
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

[amadeus]

When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put aside childish things.

And what is childish in the eyes of God? Perhaps the very ways of men, adult men in the flesh, who use their own brains alone to decide what pleases God and what does not... or worse they state that God does not exist so they can do whatever they want. But, there are many who bear the label of Christian who take on these the same ways so that looking at them we may not be able to tell them from the atheists. Perhaps all of this is childish as God sees it:

"The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision." Psalm 2:2-4

 

[bbyrd009]

And what is childish in the eyes of God? Perhaps the very ways of men, adult men in the flesh, who use their own brains alone to decide what pleases God and what does not... or worse they state that God does not exist so they can do whatever they want. But, there are many who bear the label of Christian who take on these the same ways so that looking at them we may not be able to tell them from the atheists. Perhaps all of this is childish as God sees it:

"The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision." Psalm 2:2-4

seems to me that "God's nonsense" is being reflected here more than SiT, but i do agree. Interesting imo to note that those kings speak prevarications, and write in a "tongue" so dense that lawyers are required to decipher it, even though it is nominally still "English"

 

[amadeus]

seems to me that "God's nonsense" is being reflected here more than SiT, but i do agree. Interesting imo to note that those kings speak prevarications, and write in a "tongue" so dense that lawyers are required to decipher it, even though it is nominally still "English"

If it were only those who make no beans about being unbelievers it might be of concern, but the real Babylon [confusion] today is composed of people who are supposed to be [according to what they say] God's people. There really is a lot of gibberish being spoken among those bearing the label of Christian as well as among unbelievers. Instead of encouraging one another in their walks with and toward God, many of these "Christians" busy themselves with finger pointing to condemn some other supposed believer's error or even to deny that someone is a believer... as if that was their job.

What is God's work for believers? Should they be engaged in Babylonish [chaotic or confusing] practices?

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." John 6:29

 

[Helen]

I tend to stay clear of this kind of discussion. There are always Christian- Unbelievers where things of God's Spirit is concerned.
That is why I make a difference between Believers, and 'Believing Believers.'

The things of the Holy Spirit are just that...holy...and precious, ...not to be belittled or trampled upon.

Like Amadeus and a few others here...I also have been praying in tongues since the 60's.
God is a gentleman...He forces nothing on anyone if they don't want to open themselves up to receive all that He has offered us.

 

[Triumph1300]

Like Amadeus and a few others here...I also have been praying in tongues since the 60's.

Same here.
Since 1981.

 

[Davy]

Even so as God is the translator/interpreter for messages given in "unknown" tongues by one believer and in the common language by another. Is our God not able?

Like I already showed, there is no such thing as an 'unknown' tongue. The word "unknown" in the KJV is not in the Greek NT manuscripts. It was added by the KJV translators.

God deals with languages, not unknown tongues.

 

[bbyrd009]

Like I already showed, there is no such thing as an 'unknown' tongue. The word "unknown" in the KJV is not in the Greek NT manuscripts. It was added by the KJV translators.

God deals with languages, not unknown tongues.

i've heard "groanings that can't be uttered" as justification there, but that fails at the uttering, seems to me
we all try to help Scripture be a little more "accurate," huh

 

[bbyrd009]

Like Amadeus and a few others here...I also have been praying in tongues since the 60's.

Same here.

God sees your intent, and nowhere in Scripture are you called to justify your beliefs to anyone, misinterpreted vv about being prepared to give an accounting notwithstanding imo. Even if it might seem to imply that at first (there is no "accounting" required in this context)

 

[Helen]

God sees your intent, and nowhere in Scripture are you called to justify your beliefs to anyone, misinterpreted vv about being prepared to give an accounting notwithstanding imo. Even if it might seem to imply that at first (there is no "accounting" required in this context)

Thanks you for the encouragement.
As you can see on this thread...there is always push-back from those who haven't "tasted and seen that He is good"... so much deriding of the things of the Spirit... I just wonder how they will feel when they find out that they have been totally wrong.
It is safe when a person says IMO or " I believe"...but that don't.
They make blanket statements such as "There is not" , "it is wrong"
"no such thing" etc etc.. with no room for 'just maybe' being wrong.

I get weary of so many who make such bold claims that "they are right." Period. They tread where angels fear to go.
Now you know why I hate these kind of discussions...Myself, I take seriously, and listen to the words...Isaiah 5
20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

I myself don't challenge that which I don't begin to understand and have not experienced.
Bless you....H

 

[bbyrd009]

glossololia is a perfect rep of the state of the est'd church imo, and what bears fruit does not get pruned

 

[Helen]

glossololia is a perfect rep of the state of the est'd church imo, and what bears fruit does not get pruned

I am laughing at myself here...
I gave you a like...then scratched my head..as I thought again about what you wrote. Can you say it again in a different way?
Maybe I do not agree or "like". Do I?

 

[bbyrd009]

I am laughing at myself here...
I gave you a like...then scratched my head..as I thought again about what you wrote. Can you say it again in a different way?
Maybe I do not agree or "like". Do I?

ha my point was that our perspectives here are not as important as whether a concept bears fruit or not, that is what will decide i guess

 

[Helen]

ha my point was that our perspectives here are not as important as whether a concept bears fruit or not, that is what will decide i guess

Thanks for clarification. So my agreement still stands.
I thought it did...but then I second guessed what I thought you had said.
My interpretation of tongues is a bit rusty today. LOL

BTW, you probably already know...but interpretation of tongues is not a translation of the tongue just spoken...it is an interpretation....meaning that the Spirit on the inside shows the interpreter what is being said...it is an inner "knowing".
I read your post , but wasn't getting a clear message of what the interpretation was.

 

[bbyrd009]

Thanks for clarification. So my agreement still stands.
I thought it did...but then I second guessed what I thought you had said.
My interpretation of tongues is a bit rusty today. LOL

BTW, you probably already know...but interpretation of tongues is not a translation of the tongue just spoken...it is an interpretation....meaning that the Spirit on the inside shows the interpreter what is being said...it is an inner "knowing".
I read your post , but wasn't getting a clear message of what the interpretation was.

you interpret one thing, but the next guy will interpret something else anyway i guess
interpretations cease when the fruit manifests