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Wisdom is deemed right by her children (Luke 7:35), and those who have ears to hear will hear.
Scripture Interpretation ?
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Wisdom is deemed right by her children (Luke 7:35), and those who have ears to hear will hear.
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apparent contradictions in the original too, i could list a page of them
I can't read any of those original languages (well, maybe just a little Greek), so I really couldn't say for sure. What you would get from me on that would simply be the repeating of what someone else said about it.
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ha but really if you think about it that's all we do for our English translations too. A lexicon is just a glorified dictionary more or less imo
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By the fruit. What does the interpretation yield: contention and strife or peace and love? Sometimes patience goes far in testing the fruit; whether the fruit is of man or of God: Acts 5:38-39 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: [39] But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
The key word is "apparent". Once the matter is properly investigated there is no contradiction.
Well certainly the Word of God is totally inerrant, but then we are likely not speaking of precisely the same thing... or?
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Nothing wrong with the bible...the problem has always been 'with man'.
Yes indeed. There are actually two things which contribute to errors of interpretation: (1) the natural man has no clue about spiritual things, and (2) many Christians allows man-made doctrines to color their interpretation.
But since the Bible is the Word of God -- Christians who believe this wholeheartedly must also believe that because it is inspired it is also inerrant and infallible.
The sad fact is that many *Christian* scholars and professors have been attacking the inerrancy of the Bible for quite some time. Why they don't choose to be Muslims is puzzling, since Muslims never attack the Quran as a book having errors in it.
Well yes, the original texts were inerrant, but as some would point out, we don't have them around any more, only copies which seem to agree with each other based on interpretation of their respective words that they contain.
Our translations that we use on the other hand, are indeed complied around people's understanding and interpretations and as such cannot be claimed to be the inerrant word of God, but can be considered to be a close as possible to be the inerrant translation of the available copied texts that we have.
Our translations that we use on the other hand, are indeed complied around people's understanding and interpretations and as such cannot be claimed to be the inerrant word of God, but can be considered to be a close as possible to be the inerrant translation of the available copied texts that we have.
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And, it is these modern translations our grandparents and parents used... and that we came to know of Christianity through... and that we were converted through... and that we study each day now... and that we preach from when we talk to unbelievers. It is these Bibles with their mistakes and contradictions that we open in front of unbelievers, and read them passages from.
Ridiculously, we each tell these prospective converts that some ancient book that no longer exists... that no one in thousands of years has ever seen... said some very different things than the book we are reading to them today says..... and many of us also try to convince them that those old books said exactly what our denomination happens to believe, but not what that other denomination believes. And we usually end this unbelievable proclamation with the statement that "The Bible" is inerrant.
We have to quit this nonsense. The people we try to preach to are not stupid. They can see that we really have no real idea what in the world we are talking about. We do not have to convince them we are cool Christians who possess the REAL word of God, when those others don't. We sound like fools trying to pull that off, and it is more than obvious to them. We need only tell them what we believe, and how it has affected our lives.
This is where the doctrine of the divine preservation of Scripture comes in. A superabundance of manuscripts (copies of copies of copies) exists in both Hebrew and Greek, and textual scholars have collated many of them and found them to agree (barring minor discrepancies).
Moses began writing the Torah around 1500 BC, but as far as the Lord Jesus Christ was concerned, the Hebrew scrolls (which were copies) He used on earth had remained unchanged during all that time. Therefore He gave His stamp of approval to the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible with 24 books) then in existence. And the Tanakh does not have the Apocrypha.
What has been established is that faithful traditional (handed down) texts of both the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts have been in use ever since the Bible was completed. Reformation Bibles were based on these texts (after the invention of printing and the production of printed Hebrew and Greek texts).
A good example is the Isaiah scroll found with the Dead Sea Scrolls (discovered between 1946 and 1956). While this Isaiah scroll was dated around 200 BC, it was found to be replicated almost verbatim in the Masoretic Text (dated around 900 AD). So even after a gap of over one millennium, Scripture had not changed. This was an amazing confirmation of the doctrine of divine preservation.
Christians should be totally confident that their Bibles (based on the traditional texts) have absolutely no errors. If a Hebrew scribe made an error while copying, he destroyed his handiwork and started afresh. The monks who copied the New Testament manuscripts were equally diligent.
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The character of God and of Christ...
Well I have questions about that. In a nutshell nutshell, many just quote that God is love. Yet, he is also called a man of war. He is the God of peace, yet also vengeance is his. I hope you see where I am going with this.
We tend to look at the characteristics of God that we want to see. God is love, but he will also extract vengeance and make war. Just keep that in mind when you look at God's character.
But... I like your system overall. And no.. #8 doesn't violate #7. I like extrabiblical history. It just isn't scripture. I can quote Josephus and believe it... Until he violates scripture. Which he does...
Perfectly. Since God (the Godhead) is perfect, every attribute of God is in perfect balance and harmony, and Christians should recognize this as a fundamental truth. God's love is balanced by God's wrath, and God's justice is balanced by God's mercy.
Thus it was an absolute divine necessity that a sinless Man (Christ Jesus) experience and quench God's wrath against sin, before God could offer His mercy and grace to sinners. Psalm 22 gives us a glimpse of both aspects.
The written word of God does not contradict itself for starters. Men have their places they go to and quote seemly pointing to contradi tions. Christians need to understand their bible does not do this. The word will be interpreted by the HolySpirit for you for what you need at that time, your understanding, your leading. We interprete by this leading, you understand a certain scripture one way and I another way. The forums are a good show of this, many different minds seeing the scriptures different ways. It doesn't make you right or wrong, it is the way you are being led. We go through many different understandings in our learning process. You will see things differently from time to time, the scriptures call it "from faith to faith."
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