The body of Moses hid?

[VictoryinJesus]

I’ve always heard God hid the body of Moses. Is this true? I’ve never really thought about the body of Moses until there seemed to be a possible answer. Why did Micheal the archangel dispute with the devil over the body of Moses? Why is this strange verse in the Word with nothing more given, seeming out of place. Who is Micheal the archangel? Why did they both want the body of Moses? Who is the body of Christ? Are we not hidden? Is Christ not hidden within parables? Proverbs 28:12 When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden.

Jude 1:9
[9] Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Zechariah 3:1-4
[1] And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord , and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. [2] And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? [3] Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. [4] And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

The Lord disputes with Satan over Joshua:‘Is this not a brand plucked out of the fire?’

The Lord disputes with Satan over Peter: Mark 8:33
[33] But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.


Romans 8:18-19
[18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. [19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.


Where is the body of God(Christ) hidden?
What does sepulchre and the burial place have to do with it?

We are of His bones?? Psalm 34:19-20
[19] Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all. [20] He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.

Psalm 22:16-18
[16] For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. [17] I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. [18] They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

 

[Helen]

Deut 34.
"And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the Lord shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan, 2 And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea, 3 And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
4 And the Lord said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord.
6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. .....................
10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face.."

 

[Hidden In Him]

Why is this strange verse in the Word with nothing more given, seeming out of place.

Actually, Victory, this is only one among several stories from Jewish tradition that Jude made reference to, and his letter is a classic case for why we need to study extra-Biblical sources sometimes in order to know what the scriptures are actually referring to. But he was merely repeating after the apostle Peter here, who likewise made the same reference (2 Peter 2:10-11). It was the best example they could use from OT scripture to show it was an ungodly thing to blaspheme angels (i.e. "glorious ones" in the Greek), since even Michael didn't speak defamation against the Devil but simply replied "The Lord rebuke you."

It's a long explanation, but that's the short end of the story.

 

[larry2]

I’ve always heard God hid the body of Moses.

Hi dear Sister VictoryinJesus, WOW. So many good questions, and me with so few answers. :)

All are tempted by Satan

Mat 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

At the middle of the tribulation - Rev 12:10 . . the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (That’s us even today)

Moses had committed a sin unto death we might call it today.

Num 20:12 . . (Moses) Because ye believed Me not, to sanctify me . .

Deut 32:49 . . Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo . .

Deut 32:50 . . And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people . .

Where was Moses’ people? Abraham’s bosom, or Paradise as Jesus called it to the thief on the cross.

Moses was not hid to God, and regardless our lack, He always sees us in Jesus. The contention may have come as to where Moses’ spirit was to go, but there’s little argument when God sees the blood; He will pass over us, and there's no condemnation. Rom 8:1.

God bless you in Jesus' name.

 

[Enoch111]

Why did Micheal the archangel dispute with the devil over the body of Moses?

We are not told, but we can guess that Satan probably had some nefarious plot to make the body of Moses into an object of worship. He specializes in raising up false gods.

Who is Micheal the archangel?

The chiefest of God's holy angels, and the one who directs the other angels at God's behest.

Who is the body of Christ? Are we not hidden?

The Body of Christ are all the redeemed -- both Jews and Gentiles. Since Christians are told to be witnesses, salt, and light, we are by no means hidden.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

We are not told, but we can guess that Satan probably had some nefarious plot to make the body of Moses into an object of worship. He specializes in raising up false gods.

The chiefest of God's holy angels, and the one who directs the other angels at God's behest.

The Body of Christ are all the redeemed -- both Jews and Gentiles. Since Christians are told to be witnesses, salt, and light, we are by no means hidden.

“We are by no means hidden” It would seem by now I would fully get what this means but maybe I don’t...

Colossians 3:3
[3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

“your life is hid with Christ IN God” ...what does it mean?

1 John 3:2
[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

“doth not yet appear what we shall be”

John 14:19
[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

Why did the archangel Micheal and the devil dispute over the body of Moses, but it was the Lord that buried the body of Moses outside of the promise land??

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

I’ve always heard God hid the body of Moses. Is this true? I’ve never really thought about the body of Moses until there seemed to be a possible answer. Why did Micheal the archangel dispute with the devil over the body of Moses? Why is this strange verse in the Word with nothing more given, seeming out of place. Who is Micheal the archangel? Why did they both want the body of Moses? Who is the body of Christ? Are we not hidden? Is Christ not hidden within parables? Proverbs 28:12 When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden.

Jude 1:9
[9] Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Zechariah 3:1-4
[1] And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord , and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. [2] And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? [3] Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. [4] And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

The Lord disputes with Satan over Joshua:‘Is this not a brand plucked out of the fire?’

The Lord disputes with Satan over Peter: Mark 8:33
[33] But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.


Romans 8:18-19
[18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. [19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.


Where is the body of God(Christ) hidden?
What does sepulchre and the burial place have to do with it?

We are of His bones?? Psalm 34:19-20
[19] Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all. [20] He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.

Psalm 22:16-18
[16] For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. [17] I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. [18] They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Do you want the answers to your questions, my sister, from scripture? If you do, and you desire to know these things with all your heart, I will show you from scripture itself in quite some detail, as Philip had shown the Ethiopian eunuch of great authority.

 

[quietthinker]

I’ve always heard God hid the body of Moses. Is this true? I’ve never really thought about the body of Moses until there seemed to be a possible answer. Why did Micheal the archangel dispute with the devil over the body of Moses? Why is this strange verse in the Word with nothing more given, seeming out of place. Who is Micheal the archangel? Why did they both want the body of Moses? Who is the body of Christ? Are we not hidden? Is Christ not hidden within parables? Proverbs 28:12 When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden.

Jude 1:9
[9] Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Zechariah 3:1-4
[1] And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord , and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. [2] And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? [3] Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. [4] And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

The Lord disputes with Satan over Joshua:‘Is this not a brand plucked out of the fire?’

The Lord disputes with Satan over Peter: Mark 8:33
[33] But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.


Romans 8:18-19
[18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. [19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.


Where is the body of God(Christ) hidden?
What does sepulchre and the burial place have to do with it?

We are of His bones?? Psalm 34:19-20
[19] Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all. [20] He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.

Psalm 22:16-18
[16] For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. [17] I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. [18] They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

This is how I've figured it. Some of it from reading the material of others and some from my own thoughts re Moses.
Moses was resurrected even though it doesn't specifically say so (a special resurrection) but I deduce this from the account of Moses and Elijah appearing and talking with Jesus on the mountain where he was transfigured.

Why did Satan want the body of Moses? because death is his domain and so he staked his claim. The domain of Jesus is Resurrection and Life.
Who is Michael the archangel? I think it is Jesus. Why do I think that? Jesus has many names one of which is Michael which means 'who is like God?' Micheal is referenced in Daniel 12:1 The context implies this is Jesus. You might ask, but it says he is the archangel? Yes, that's right. Was it not Jesus who went before the Hebrews who left Egypt in a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night while they wandered in the desert. The name given (God/Jesus) is The Angel of the Lord (which is another one of his names). In fact one could deduce that he is THE Archangel. Now wether there is another angel called Michael I haven't a clue.

Back to the Mount of Transfiguration. Elijah also appeared with Moses. Elijah never died, he was taken up alive in a chariot of fire. Interesting! I would say that these two are representative of Gods people at the return of Jesus. Elijah representing those who are alive when Jesus returns and are translated and Moses representing those who have died and are resurrected. Don't you think it is noteworthy that these two where talking with Jesus when he was transfigured? I wonder what they spoke of. Apparently it was something that Peter missed altogether. Could it have been about the up coming events?

Further, Zechariah3:1-4 again, Joshua can be translated Jesus. Read in this text symbolism for Jesus.

I'm a work in progress when it comes to understanding how Jesus is embedded in the scriptures. God has used biblical history, stories of its people, individual people, political unfolding, parables, poetry, In fact he has used everything in one way or the other in an attempt to bring to our attention his objectives which ultimately culminate in Jesus as we so clearly see in Revelation
He alone is worthy!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Do you want the answers to your questions, my sister, from scripture? If you do, and you desire to know these things with all your heart, I will show you from scripture itself in quite some detail, as Philip had shown the Ethiopian eunuch of great authority.

Yes. I do.

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

Yes. I do.

Ok my sister. Let me go one point at a time, so that if there are any questions we may cover them also. :)

I’ve always heard God hid the body of Moses. Is this true?

Yes, as our sister "ByGrace" has already kindly and wisely cited here - Link I will simply recite those two brief, but explicit, texts:

Deuteronomy 34:5 - So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Deuteronomy 34:6 - And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.​

This was Jesus Himself who buried Moses. Other texts which help shed more light (remember I am giving details, and is quite lengthy per question, therefore please bear with me :) ) -

There were great things at stake in the resurrection of Moses, for he would be the first one resurrected permanently to be taken to Heaven, and would be the type of all those who sleep in Jesus, who would be resurrected in the First Great Resurrection, even as Elijah is the type of all those who will be alive and remain at that same time. Looking again:

Jude 1:9 - Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.​

Why would the devil dispute with Michael the archangel about the “body of Moses”? It was because the Son of God (Michael/Jesus) came down to resurrect Moses, for it had been He which buried him, yet the devil was laying claim to the deceased, since he [the devil] was the one with “the power of death” (Hebrews 2:14), and so he claimed the body of Moses as his prisoner (Isaiah 14:17) in the grave, since Moses had sinned against God:

Numbers 20:8 - Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

Numbers 20:9 - And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him.

Numbers 20:10 - And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

Numbers 20:11 - And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

Numbers 20:12 - And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

Numbers 27:13 - And when thou hast seen it, thou also shalt be gathered unto thy people, as Aaron thy brother was gathered.

Numbers 31:2 - Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.

Deuteronomy 4:21 - Furthermore the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, and sware that I should not go over Jordan, and that I should not go in unto that good land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance:

Deuteronomy 4:22 - But I must die in this land, I must not go over Jordan: but ye shall go over, and possess that good land.

Deuteronomy 31:2 - And he said unto them, I am an hundred and twenty years old this day; I can no more go out and come in: also the LORD hath said unto me, Thou shalt not go over this Jordan.

Deuteronomy 31:14 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.

Deuteronomy 31:16 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Deuteronomy 32:51 - Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 32:52 - Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 34:1 - And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,

Deuteronomy 34:2 - And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,

Deuteronomy 34:3 - And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.

Deuteronomy 34:4 - And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.

Deuteronomy 34:5 - So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Deuteronomy 34:6 - And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

Deuteronomy 34:7 - And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

Deuteronomy 34:8 - And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.​

However, Michael/Jesus knew that Moses had repented of his sin, and he was forgiven and cleansed from it, and thus belonged unto God. It had been the Son of God Himself, who had buried Moses and had him guarded by angels of Heaven, and no man knew where he had been buried. How can we know for certain? The King James Bible says:

Romans 5:14 - Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.​

Romans 5:14 reveals that death had “reigned” from Adam until Moses, for all [except Enoch at that time, and later Elijah] had fallen under the power of death. Why would it then cease 'reigning' at Moses? It was because God had broken death permanently for the first time in the resurrection of Moses, shortly after he had died, and “he was raised to immortal life, holding his title in the name of the Redeemer”. How can we be sure that Moses was raised from the dead by Michael the archangel/Jesus? Jesus is the resurrection and the life:

1 Samuel 2:6 - The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

Matthew 22:32 - I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

John 11:25 - Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 11:26 - And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?​

This is exactly what will happen to those saints who sleep in Jesus, in the times to come, in both the special and Great First resurrection:

John 5:25 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:​

The New Testament texts also reveal that the resurrected Moses appeared in bodily glory, and stood in the land of Canaan, along with the living and glorified Elijah upon the mount of transfiguration (in short, Matthew 16:28, 17:1-12; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36; 2 Peter 1:16-18)

Does this make sense so far, and does it answer the first question? If so, I will continue with the detail on the next. If not, please ask for clairification, and I will attempt to do so.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Ok my sister. Let me go one point at a time, so that if there are any questions we may cover them also. :)

Yes, as our sister "ByGrace" has already kindly and wisely cited here - Link I will simply recite those two brief, but explicit, texts:

Deuteronomy 34:5 - So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Deuteronomy 34:6 - And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.​

This was Jesus Himself who buried Moses. Other texts which help shed more light (remember I am giving details, and is quite lengthy per question, therefore please bear with me :) ) -

There were great things at stake in the resurrection of Moses, for he would be the first one resurrected permanently to be taken to Heaven, and would be the type of all those who sleep in Jesus, who would be resurrected in the First Great Resurrection, even as Elijah is the type of all those who will be alive and remain at that same time. Looking again:

Jude 1:9 - Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.​

Why would the devil dispute with Michael the archangel about the “body of Moses”? It was because the Son of God (Michael/Jesus) came down to resurrect Moses, for it had been He which buried him, yet the devil was laying claim to the deceased, since he [the devil] was the one with “the power of death” (Hebrews 2:14), and so he claimed the body of Moses as his prisoner (Isaiah 14:17) in the grave, since Moses had sinned against God:

Numbers 20:8 - Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.

Numbers 20:9 - And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him.

Numbers 20:10 - And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

Numbers 20:11 - And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

Numbers 20:12 - And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

Numbers 27:13 - And when thou hast seen it, thou also shalt be gathered unto thy people, as Aaron thy brother was gathered.

Numbers 31:2 - Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.

Deuteronomy 4:21 - Furthermore the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, and sware that I should not go over Jordan, and that I should not go in unto that good land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance:

Deuteronomy 4:22 - But I must die in this land, I must not go over Jordan: but ye shall go over, and possess that good land.

Deuteronomy 31:2 - And he said unto them, I am an hundred and twenty years old this day; I can no more go out and come in: also the LORD hath said unto me, Thou shalt not go over this Jordan.

Deuteronomy 31:14 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation.

Deuteronomy 31:16 - And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Deuteronomy 32:51 - Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 32:52 - Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 34:1 - And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,

Deuteronomy 34:2 - And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,

Deuteronomy 34:3 - And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.

Deuteronomy 34:4 - And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.

Deuteronomy 34:5 - So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Deuteronomy 34:6 - And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

Deuteronomy 34:7 - And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

Deuteronomy 34:8 - And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.​

However, Michael/Jesus knew that Moses had repented of his sin, and he was forgiven and cleansed from it, and thus belonged unto God. It had been the Son of God Himself, who had buried Moses and had him guarded by angels of Heaven, and no man knew where he had been buried. How can we know for certain? The King James Bible says:

Romans 5:14 - Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.​

Romans 5:14 eveals that death had “reigned” from Adam until Moses, for all [except Enoch at that time, and later Elijah] had fallen under the power of death. Why would it then cease 'reigning' at Moses? It was because God had broken death permanently for the first time in the resurrection of Moses, shortly after he had died, and “he was raised to immortal life, holding his title in the name of the Redeemer”. How can we be sure that Moses was raised from the dead by Michael the archangel/Jesus? Jesus is the resurrection and the life:

1 Samuel 2:6 - The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.

Matthew 22:32 - I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

John 11:25 - Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 11:26 - And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?​

This is exactly what will happen to those saints who sleep in Jesus, in the times to come, in both the special and Great First resurrection:

John 5:25 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:​

The New Testament texts also reveal that the resurrected Moses appeared in bodily glory, and stood in the land of Canaan, along with the living and glorified Elijah upon the mount of transfiguration (in short, Matthew 16:28, 17:1-12; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36; 2 Peter 1:16-18)

Does this make sense so far, and does it answer the first question? If so, I will continue with the detail on the next. If not, please ask for clairification, and I will attempt to do so.

It makes sense. Yes it fully answers the first question. Thank you.

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

It makes sense. Yes it fully answers the first question. Thank you.

My pleasure sister. Ok, let us continue.

I’ve never really thought about the body of Moses until there seemed to be a possible answer. Why did Micheal the archangel dispute with the devil over the body of Moses?

The text of Jude helps us in several areas.

1. Christ Jesus is the resurrection and the life, and is faithful to His name, and thus character (calling to life those who have died, physically and spiritually).

2. Moses was a child of God (being of that church in the wilderness; Acts 7:38), and was to partake of the promise of God in the resurrection, for Moses was faithful (Numbers 12:7; Hebrews 3:2,5), even though he stumbled at one point (already cited).

3. Moses was to represent in type, the greater body of those specially resurrected just before Jesus comes, and to also represent the greater faithful body of the righteous of those resurrected at Jesus' 2nd coming.

4. Moses (as Cyrus II was also (see Isaiah 44:26-28, 45:1-13; 2 Chronicles 36:22-23; Ezra 1:1-11, etc)) is a type of Christ, and was thus to also represent Jesus, for instance:

[01] Righteous Man, a man that executheth My [God's] Counsel, a servant (Exodus 24:12; Numbers 12:3,7, 36:13; Nehemiah 9:14; Hebrews 3:2,5)
[02] [He is] my shepherd (Exodus 3:1; Psalms 77:20, 78:52)
[03] From the East, Deliverer (Exodus 3:1; Galatians 4:25)
[04] God was to subdue the Nations before Him/them (Exodus 17:14; Deuteronomy 4:38, 25:19, 28:12)
[05] God, "I" will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight (Exodus 13:21, 23:23, 32:34, 34:24; Deuteronomy 1:30,33, 31:3,8)
[06] That saith to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid (Exodus 25:9, 26:30, 33:7, 36:6)
[07] That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers (Exodus 14:21; Joshua 2:10, 4:23; Psalms 106:9; Isaiah 51:10; Hebrews 11:29)
[08] Anointed (Numbers 7:1, 11:17,29; Leviticus 8:10)
[09] Was associated with "Glory of a blazing furnace, or to shine like the sun" (Exodus 34:29-30,35; 2 Corinthians 3:13, 4:6)
[10] Great treasures/wealth would be given unto him (Exodus 11:2-3, 12:35-36)
[11] God as King over the people through Moses (Numbers 23:21; 1 Samuel 8:6-7)
​

Thus compare Moses to Cyrus (II) to Christ. History has been repeating itself, as may be witnessed to here (Ecclesiastes 1:9, 3:15) - Daniel & Revelation - Psalms 77:13; all things prophetic therein.

If you will download the two linked materials, they will greatly shed light on this subject in vast detail:

The Character that will Stand [final events, Daniel 12, Revelation 17, etc]:

Link 1 - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=10930346204581685709
​

Daniel and Revelation Structure [Psalms 77:13 KJB, verse by verse demonstrated]:

Link 2 - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=02188528893778979904
​

There are multiple resurrections in the Bible, and a few translations.

Two have been directly translated without seeing death, and a third group is coming:

[01] Enoch – Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5 KJB

[02] Elijah – 2 Kings 2:1-23 KJB

[03] Those saints alive at the 2nd Advent – 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJB​

There are many resurrections in the Bible, but of those that have taken place, only a few have not died again and were taken to Heaven:

[01] Elijah raises the Widow of Zarephath's Son – 1 Kings 17:17-24 KJB

[02] Elijah raises the son of the Shunamite Woman – 2 Kings 4:18-37 KJB

[03] A man and Elisha's Bones (14th miracle of Elisha, thus double the portion of Elijah) – 2 Kings 13:20-21 KJB

[04] The Valley of Bones, the Resurrected Army – Ezekiel 37:1-14 KJB

[05] Jesus raises the Widow of Nain's Son – Luke 7:11-17 KJB

[06] Jesus raises Jairus's Daughter – Matthew 9:18,19,23-26; Mark 5:22-24,35-43; Luke 8:41-42,49-56 KJB

[07] Jesus raises Lazarus – John 11:1-47 KJB

[08] Peter raises Tabitha [Dorcas] – Acts 9:36-42 KJB

[09] Paul raises Eutychus – Acts 20:9-12 KJB

[10] Moses (Permanently resurrected) – Matthew 16:28, 17:1-12; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36; John 11:25; 2 Peter 1:16-18; Romans 5:14; Jude 1:9 KJB

[11] Select Group around the locality of Jerusalem, the "First Fruits" (Permanently resurrected) – Psalms 68:18; Isaiah 26:19; Matthew 27:52,53; Ephesians 4:8 KJB

[12] 'The Two Witnesses' (actually Law/Prophets (word of God) (Romans 3:21), represented in symbol by Elijah and Moses (more on this if necessary)) in symbol (truth died in the street in France (1793-1797, 3 1/2 day/years in the reign of terror) by Law, and was to be resurrected and glorified before all the people (Revelation 11:3-13) which took place in the proliferation of the bible being translated into every language on earth since then.

[13] Jesus' Resurrection – Matthew 28:1-20; Mark 16:1-20; Luke 24:1-53; John 20:1-31; 1 Corinthians 15:20,23 &c KJB​

Michael the archangel, aka Jesus - the Son of God the Father, was acting on orders from His Father, thus came in the name of "Michael the archangel", as it means "Who is like unto God, the highest messenger (of the Father's love)". Michael/Jesus is always the advocate for mankind who are repentant (1 John 2:1), as Moses (part of the Church in the wilderness) was. Satan is the accuser of the brethren, and thus stood to guard his rights to Moses (who did sin), to keep him in death (Hebrews 2:14), yet since Christ had already pledged to die, He could raise Moses right then and there, since in the promise of Christ's sacrifice, he would take awy from the devil the keys of hell and of death (Revelation 1:18), for the grave is truly a den of "lions" (Lion of the tribe of Judah (Revelation 5:5), and the roaring and devouring lion of the devil (1 Peter 5:8); see Daniel 6 in the proper light).

Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.​

Thus the devil essentially said, "He (Moses) is mine, he sinned, and belongs in the grave to rise in resurrection of the wicked."

Thus Michael/Jesus (as messenger from the Father) said, "He is mine (Father), he repented and believed on my (Jesus) sacrifice to come, and thus belongs with us."

The Father in Heaven as the great Judge over all, had ruled in favor of Moses, being most merciful, and so being both the justifier (through Christ, sacrifice gives life) and just (through Christ, death for sin), and thus as it is written:

Psalms 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
​

Does this make sense sister, and shall I continue? Or is there anything needful to look at some more here?

 

[Enoch111]

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
“your life is hid with Christ IN God” ...what does it mean?

This would be an allusion to the fact that believers are said to have died with Christ, been buried with Him, and raised with Him. "Ye are dead" means that the "old you" is dead and hidden with Christ, since all our sins were nailed to the Cross when Christ was made "Sin" for us. Thus Christians are "new creatures in Christ". This then leads to verse 5, which is about mortifying -- putting to death -- the "flesh" (the old man).

1 John 3:2
[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
“doth not yet appear what we shall be”

This means that while we are still on earth before the Resurrection/Rapture we appear as ordinary human beings. But at the Resurrection/Rapture all the saints will be (1) perfected in body, soul, and spirit, (2) receive immortal "spiritual bodies", and (3) be glorified (radiate light). In other words we will have the appearance and capabilities of angels, and resemble Christ fully. This ties in with John 14:19.

Why did the archangel Micheal and the devil dispute over the body of Moses, but it was the Lord that buried the body of Moses outside of the promise land??

We can only guess that while the LORD was burying Moses in the land of Moab (Deut 34:6), Satan (who is a spirit being) observed the burial, and knew where the body of Moses was. But God sent Michael to prevent Satan from becoming a body-snatcher, so that he could put that body up for display and make it an object of worship.

Just as the brazen serpent (which was originally meant for good) was perverted into Nehushtan -- an object of snake worship -- we have the Catholic Church promoting the veneration of the relics of saints.

The veneration of relics in the Catholic Church is an ancient tradition that dates back all the way to the New Testament. We can find its origins in the life of Jesus Christ (think of the woman who touched Jesus’ cloak and was healed). The Church has always treated the relics of saints in a special manner, preserving them and often putting them on display for the benefit of the faithful...

How to venerate a saint’s relic

 

[VictoryinJesus]

My pleasure sister. Ok, let us continue.

The text of Jude helps us in several areas.

1. Christ Jesus is the resurrection and the life, and is faithful to His name, and thus character (calling to life those who have died, physically and spiritually).

2. Moses was a child of God (being of that church in the wilderness; Acts 7:38), and was to partake of the promise of God in the resurrection, for Moses was faithful (Numbers 12:7; Hebrews 3:2,5), even though he stumbled at one point (already cited).

3. Moses was to represent in type, the greater body of those specially resurrected just before Jesus comes, and to also represent the greater faithful body of the righteous of those resurrected at Jesus' 2nd coming.

4. Moses (as Cyrus II was also (see Isaiah 44:26-28, 45:1-13; 2 Chronicles 36:22-23; Ezra 1:1-11, etc)) is a type of Christ, and was thus to also represent Jesus, for instance:

[01] Righteous Man, a man that executheth My [God's] Counsel, a servant (Exodus 24:12; Numbers 12:3,7, 36:13; Nehemiah 9:14; Hebrews 3:2,5)
[02] [He is] my shepherd (Exodus 3:1; Psalms 77:20, 78:52)
[03] From the East, Deliverer (Exodus 3:1; Galatians 4:25)
[04] God was to subdue the Nations before Him/them (Exodus 17:14; Deuteronomy 4:38, 25:19, 28:12)
[05] God, "I" will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight (Exodus 13:21, 23:23, 32:34, 34:24; Deuteronomy 1:30,33, 31:3,8)
[06] That saith to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid (Exodus 25:9, 26:30, 33:7, 36:6)
[07] That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers (Exodus 14:21; Joshua 2:10, 4:23; Psalms 106:9; Isaiah 51:10; Hebrews 11:29)
[08] Anointed (Numbers 7:1, 11:17,29; Leviticus 8:10)
[09] Was associated with "Glory of a blazing furnace, or to shine like the sun" (Exodus 34:29-30,35; 2 Corinthians 3:13, 4:6)
[10] Great treasures/wealth would be given unto him (Exodus 11:2-3, 12:35-36)
[11] God as King over the people through Moses (Numbers 23:21; 1 Samuel 8:6-7)
​

Thus compare Moses to Cyrus (II) to Christ. History has been repeating itself, as may be witnessed to here (Ecclesiastes 1:9, 3:15) - Daniel & Revelation - Psalms 77:13; all things prophetic therein.

If you will download the two linked materials, they will greatly shed light on this subject in vast detail:

The Character that will Stand [final events, Daniel 12, Revelation 17, etc]:

Link 1 - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=10930346204581685709
​

Daniel and Revelation Structure [Psalms 77:13 KJB, verse by verse demonstrated]:

Link 2 - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=02188528893778979904
​

There are multiple resurrections in the Bible, and a few translations.

Two have been directly translated without seeing death, and a third group is coming:

[01] Enoch – Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5 KJB

[02] Elijah – 2 Kings 2:1-23 KJB

[03] Those saints alive at the 2nd Advent – 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJB​

There are many resurrections in the Bible, but of those that have taken place, only a few have not died again and were taken to Heaven:

[01] Elijah raises the Widow of Zarephath's Son – 1 Kings 17:17-24 KJB

[02] Elijah raises the son of the Shunamite Woman – 2 Kings 4:18-37 KJB

[03] A man and Elisha's Bones (14th miracle of Elisha, thus double the portion of Elijah) – 2 Kings 13:20-21 KJB

[04] The Valley of Bones, the Resurrected Army – Ezekiel 37:1-14 KJB

[05] Jesus raises the Widow of Nain's Son – Luke 7:11-17 KJB

[06] Jesus raises Jairus's Daughter – Matthew 9:18,19,23-26; Mark 5:22-24,35-43; Luke 8:41-42,49-56 KJB

[07] Jesus raises Lazarus – John 11:1-47 KJB

[08] Peter raises Tabitha [Dorcas] – Acts 9:36-42 KJB

[09] Paul raises Eutychus – Acts 20:9-12 KJB

[10] Moses (Permanently resurrected) – Matthew 16:28, 17:1-12; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36; John 11:25; 2 Peter 1:16-18; Romans 5:14; Jude 1:9 KJB

[11] Select Group around the locality of Jerusalem, the "First Fruits" (Permanently resurrected) – Psalms 68:18; Isaiah 26:19; Matthew 27:52,53; Ephesians 4:8 KJB

[12] 'The Two Witnesses' (actually Law/Prophets (word of God) (Romans 3:21), represented in symbol by Elijah and Moses (more on this if necessary)) in symbol (truth died in the street in France (1793-1797, 3 1/2 day/years in the reign of terror) by Law, and was to be resurrected and glorified before all the people (Revelation 11:3-13) which took place in the proliferation of the bible being translated into every language on earth since then.

[13] Jesus' Resurrection – Matthew 28:1-20; Mark 16:1-20; Luke 24:1-53; John 20:1-31; 1 Corinthians 15:20,23 &c KJB​

Michael the archangel, aka Jesus - the Son of God the Father, was acting on orders from His Father, thus came in the name of "Michael the archangel", as it means "Who is like unto God, the highest messenger (of the Father's love)". Michael/Jesus is always the advocate for mankind who are repentant (1 John 2:1), as Moses (part of the Church in the wilderness) was. Satan is the accuser of the brethren, and thus stood to guard his rights to Moses (who did sin), to keep him in death (Hebrews 2:14), yet since Christ had already pledged to die, He could raise Moses right then and there, since in the promise of Christ's sacrifice, he would take awy from the devil the keys of hell and of death (Revelation 1:18), for the grave is truly a den of "lions" (Lion of the tribe of Judah (Revelation 5:5), and the roaring and devouring lion of the devil (1 Peter 5:8); see Daniel 6 in the proper light).

Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.​

Thus the devil essentially said, "He (Moses) is mine, he sinned, and belongs in the grave to rise in resurrection of the wicked."

Thus Michael/Jesus (as messenger from the Father) said, "He is mine (Father), he repented and believed on my (Jesus) sacrifice to come, and thus belongs with us."

The Father in Heaven as the great Judge over all, had ruled in favor of Moses, being most merciful, and so being both the justifier (through Christ, sacrifice gives life) and just (through Christ, death for sin), and thus as it is written:

Psalms 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
​

Does this make sense sister, and shall I continue? Or is there anything needful to look at some more here?

It’s not foreign. It does make sense. I’ve had questions about the archangel Michael so it is not a shock. Thank you again for taking time and care in expounding on the answer to my questions. As others have already said; it is a blessing to have you here.

I couldn’t open the zip files on my (cell)phone, but will try again later once I am near a computer.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

My pleasure sister. Ok, let us continue.

The text of Jude helps us in several areas.

1. Christ Jesus is the resurrection and the life, and is faithful to His name, and thus character (calling to life those who have died, physically and spiritually).

2. Moses was a child of God (being of that church in the wilderness; Acts 7:38), and was to partake of the promise of God in the resurrection, for Moses was faithful (Numbers 12:7; Hebrews 3:2,5), even though he stumbled at one point (already cited).

3. Moses was to represent in type, the greater body of those specially resurrected just before Jesus comes, and to also represent the greater faithful body of the righteous of those resurrected at Jesus' 2nd coming.

4. Moses (as Cyrus II was also (see Isaiah 44:26-28, 45:1-13; 2 Chronicles 36:22-23; Ezra 1:1-11, etc)) is a type of Christ, and was thus to also represent Jesus, for instance:

[01] Righteous Man, a man that executheth My [God's] Counsel, a servant (Exodus 24:12; Numbers 12:3,7, 36:13; Nehemiah 9:14; Hebrews 3:2,5)
[02] [He is] my shepherd (Exodus 3:1; Psalms 77:20, 78:52)
[03] From the East, Deliverer (Exodus 3:1; Galatians 4:25)
[04] God was to subdue the Nations before Him/them (Exodus 17:14; Deuteronomy 4:38, 25:19, 28:12)
[05] God, "I" will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight (Exodus 13:21, 23:23, 32:34, 34:24; Deuteronomy 1:30,33, 31:3,8)
[06] That saith to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid (Exodus 25:9, 26:30, 33:7, 36:6)
[07] That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers (Exodus 14:21; Joshua 2:10, 4:23; Psalms 106:9; Isaiah 51:10; Hebrews 11:29)
[08] Anointed (Numbers 7:1, 11:17,29; Leviticus 8:10)
[09] Was associated with "Glory of a blazing furnace, or to shine like the sun" (Exodus 34:29-30,35; 2 Corinthians 3:13, 4:6)
[10] Great treasures/wealth would be given unto him (Exodus 11:2-3, 12:35-36)
[11] God as King over the people through Moses (Numbers 23:21; 1 Samuel 8:6-7)
​

Thus compare Moses to Cyrus (II) to Christ. History has been repeating itself, as may be witnessed to here (Ecclesiastes 1:9, 3:15) - Daniel & Revelation - Psalms 77:13; all things prophetic therein.

If you will download the two linked materials, they will greatly shed light on this subject in vast detail:

The Character that will Stand [final events, Daniel 12, Revelation 17, etc]:

Link 1 - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=10930346204581685709
​

Daniel and Revelation Structure [Psalms 77:13 KJB, verse by verse demonstrated]:

Link 2 - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=02188528893778979904
​

There are multiple resurrections in the Bible, and a few translations.

Two have been directly translated without seeing death, and a third group is coming:

[01] Enoch – Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5 KJB

[02] Elijah – 2 Kings 2:1-23 KJB

[03] Those saints alive at the 2nd Advent – 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 KJB​

There are many resurrections in the Bible, but of those that have taken place, only a few have not died again and were taken to Heaven:

[01] Elijah raises the Widow of Zarephath's Son – 1 Kings 17:17-24 KJB

[02] Elijah raises the son of the Shunamite Woman – 2 Kings 4:18-37 KJB

[03] A man and Elisha's Bones (14th miracle of Elisha, thus double the portion of Elijah) – 2 Kings 13:20-21 KJB

[04] The Valley of Bones, the Resurrected Army – Ezekiel 37:1-14 KJB

[05] Jesus raises the Widow of Nain's Son – Luke 7:11-17 KJB

[06] Jesus raises Jairus's Daughter – Matthew 9:18,19,23-26; Mark 5:22-24,35-43; Luke 8:41-42,49-56 KJB

[07] Jesus raises Lazarus – John 11:1-47 KJB

[08] Peter raises Tabitha [Dorcas] – Acts 9:36-42 KJB

[09] Paul raises Eutychus – Acts 20:9-12 KJB

[10] Moses (Permanently resurrected) – Matthew 16:28, 17:1-12; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36; John 11:25; 2 Peter 1:16-18; Romans 5:14; Jude 1:9 KJB

[11] Select Group around the locality of Jerusalem, the "First Fruits" (Permanently resurrected) – Psalms 68:18; Isaiah 26:19; Matthew 27:52,53; Ephesians 4:8 KJB

[12] 'The Two Witnesses' (actually Law/Prophets (word of God) (Romans 3:21), represented in symbol by Elijah and Moses (more on this if necessary)) in symbol (truth died in the street in France (1793-1797, 3 1/2 day/years in the reign of terror) by Law, and was to be resurrected and glorified before all the people (Revelation 11:3-13) which took place in the proliferation of the bible being translated into every language on earth since then.

[13] Jesus' Resurrection – Matthew 28:1-20; Mark 16:1-20; Luke 24:1-53; John 20:1-31; 1 Corinthians 15:20,23 &c KJB​

Michael the archangel, aka Jesus - the Son of God the Father, was acting on orders from His Father, thus came in the name of "Michael the archangel", as it means "Who is like unto God, the highest messenger (of the Father's love)". Michael/Jesus is always the advocate for mankind who are repentant (1 John 2:1), as Moses (part of the Church in the wilderness) was. Satan is the accuser of the brethren, and thus stood to guard his rights to Moses (who did sin), to keep him in death (Hebrews 2:14), yet since Christ had already pledged to die, He could raise Moses right then and there, since in the promise of Christ's sacrifice, he would take awy from the devil the keys of hell and of death (Revelation 1:18), for the grave is truly a den of "lions" (Lion of the tribe of Judah (Revelation 5:5), and the roaring and devouring lion of the devil (1 Peter 5:8); see Daniel 6 in the proper light).

Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.​

Thus the devil essentially said, "He (Moses) is mine, he sinned, and belongs in the grave to rise in resurrection of the wicked."

Thus Michael/Jesus (as messenger from the Father) said, "He is mine (Father), he repented and believed on my (Jesus) sacrifice to come, and thus belongs with us."

The Father in Heaven as the great Judge over all, had ruled in favor of Moses, being most merciful, and so being both the justifier (through Christ, sacrifice gives life) and just (through Christ, death for sin), and thus as it is written:

Psalms 85:10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
​

Does this make sense sister, and shall I continue? Or is there anything needful to look at some more here?

If there are questions they would pertain to: Daniel 10:11-21 KJV
[11] And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling. [12] Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. [13] But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. [14] Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days. [15] And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb. [16] And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength. [17] For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me. [18] Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me, [19] And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me. [20] Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. [21] But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

Is this passage addressed in the zip files?

And strangly a verse prior that stands out: Daniel 10:7
[7] And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.

‘a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.’

 

[GUANO]

Michael is the "Guardian" angel or "Watcher" of Israel. He/It is similar in 'essence' to the Body of Christ and the "one flesh" that represents the Institution of Marriage. It is a corporate body. A Nation. Yes, these 'things' can appear in visions.

Michael 'fought' over the spirit of Moses (a figurative battle) in order to 'bring it' into the "Bosom of Abraham" which is Israels abode of the glorified dead, part of their collective conscious (the set of shared beliefs, ideas and moral attitudes which operate as a unifying force within society).

 

[Hidden In Him]

Michael the archangel, aka Jesus - the Son of God the Father, was acting on orders from His Father

Oh uh, Spaghettio... BookEnds, you wouldn't happen to be Jehovah's Witness would you? The archangel Michael being Jesus is one of their teachings. Not asking this to condemn you, brother, as you certainly have a sweet spirit about you and an extensive knowledge of the word of God. But drawing that connection unfortunately raises a red flag for me, so it's something that would need to be addressed.

Your friend,
Hidden

 

[ScottA]

The body and the world are dust, which even scientifically (let alone biblically), is light and energy...matter, which was created out of a "void" for "a time", but is "passing away." The body returns to the dust...and passes away.

As for Moses, it is because of His role of fulfilling the promises given to Abraham, that he could not leave a dead body - for this role, though played by Moses, was actually fulfilled by God...and God is not of the creation, not of the dust. Likewise, Christ did not leave a dead body, but a living one. And therefore, the "hidden" body (of Moses) are "the dead in Christ", the sacrifice given by God for salvation.

So, the term given by Paul saying, that "to live is Christ" pertains to the role that we all play in coming through the fires of judgement wherein the body returns to dust and passes away. God and Christ on the other hand, do not "return" to the dust, but are spirit...and all of this is done in the world by men, who in the flesh gave up their lives that they/we might gain eternal life with God.

 

[TheHolyBookEnds]

It’s not foreign. It does make sense. I’ve had questions about the archangel Michael so it is not a shock. Thank you again for taking time and care in expounding on the answer to my questions. As others have already said; it is a blessing to have you here.

I couldn’t open the zip files on my (cell)phone, but will try again later once I am near a computer.

Ok sister, great. By God's grace, I will attempt to answer any questions you may have about Michael/Jesus (and so also anyone who has such questions, and perhaps I may need to create a separate thread for that). The studies cover those verses, yes. They should not be zip files, but ".odt" (Open Office Document Files). You should be able to open them with Microsoft Word, or Open Office (here - Link). Your phone will more than likely not be able to open them, as the one file is massive, and the other a section of the larger. The original files, are all individually kept on my Hard Drive, and make for easier reading, but I couldn't upload them that way, as no one would want to download that many chapters separately, so I uploaded as a single file, with a Table of Contents, that can be Control-F searched, using the TOC. Please do not be overwhelmed by its size, but take each section individually, and the Appendices make it rather large, especially the section on the historical quotations from the period of the Reformation, etc.

 

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Oh uh, Spaghettio... BookEnds, you wouldn't happen to be Jehovah's Witness would you? The archangel Michael being Jesus is one of their teachings. Not asking this to condemn you, brother, as you certainly have a sweet spirit about you and an extensive knowledge of the word of God. But drawing that connection unfortunately raises a red flag for me, so it's something that would need to be addressed.

Your friend,
Hidden

Hey brother Hidden in Him. I pray not to have disappointed you so soon, and ask you for some time on this, even brother to brother in another thread (which if you desire I will create, and we can look at this subject there in its entirety).

I know how this subject becomes a 'red flag' for many. It was for me also about 10 years ago. That is until I personally took the time to look into all the details. Will you look at those details with me brother? :) I hope so, as I think you will enjoy the study. This particular subject, for whatever reason, takes some time to accept when the evidence is all presented. There is a huge prejudice simply because the WTS/JW hold to this doctrine in part (if only we could get them to see the other half!).

To answer your question at the front and without obfuscation, I am not (and never have been) Jehovah's Witness, nor associated in any way with the Watch Tower organization. If you would like, I can share a little of the testimony of God's providences in my own life.

If you will give me some grace and time brother Hidden in Him, I would like to share with you the material on Michael/Jesus from the scripture and from the historical material (such as the Reformation, and so on).

Yes, the WTS/JW members do presently still teach that Michael is Jesus. This is one of the left-over and remaning teachings from the Bible and the Reformation that they kept (in part). Yet, without being unkind, they incorrectly teach that Michael/Jesus is a created being. Therefore, they are partially right, and partially wrong, and it is in the wrong that needs to be corrected and brought back into harmony with the scripture. I have spent a lot of time with them and others on this topic, and I will take as much time as needful with you also. There are many who are presently in the other ditch, who accept Jesus as eternal Deity, the Son of the Father, and separate Him from Michael, and reducing Michael to a created being. Both ditches (and I speak repectfully, not harshly) ultimately denigrate the character of the Son of God. I only ask for the time and grace to demonstrate this. I do not expect persons to automatically believe me, and I expect them who are serious students of scripture to ask serious questions and to study the answers provided to those questions, all in God's love, of course.

I really do understand your concerns brother Hidden in Him (as others who may share the same). I was there myself so long ago. Yet, from this perspective looking back, I can say with confidence, there is nothing to fear here, but all truth to be gained and cherished. I know you will not simply take my word, and I do not expect you to, nor ask you to. I only ask for the time and grace to share, that you may test what is stated.

Ok, let me know brother Hidden in Him, if you want me to start another thread on this subject, and if so, I will. I pray it will edify many.