If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

[BobRyan]

The apostasy hadn't occurred yet in Polycarp's time - to the contrary, church persecution was so intense at that time that it protected it from apostasy. But after 321 A.D., when Constantine opened the way for the co-mingling of truth and error, the apostasy really started taking hold.

Paul said "after my departure wolves will come in"
Acts 20
28 Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; 30 and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. 31 Therefore be on the alert

1 Tim 1
3 As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, 4 nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. 5 But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion,

Jude 1
3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. 4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

3 John 1
9 I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say. 10 For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church.

Your contention that almost 3 centuries later "still pure as the driven snow" is not entirely supportable from the actual text of scripture.

2 Thess 2 reminds us that a great "falling away" a great apostasy in the church was coming.

 

[BobRyan]

as for the wild speculation that the Bible teaching on "sola scriptura" is mere "fairy tale" we have this response

Why would men have been willing to be martyred for this "fairy tale"? You need to sit down and ask yourself some tough questions. And then turn away from the fantasies created by the Catholic Church.

Good point.

No wonder the Bible so strongly affirms "sola scriptura"

Acts 17:11 is not unbiblical. And it came wayyy before the reformation.
Mark 7:6-13 is not "unbiblical" and it came wayyy before the reformation
Isaiah 8:20 is not unbiblical and it came wayyy before the reformation
"20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no light."

Nothing you have written here supports sola scripture

Do you expect that we would agree with that speculative statement you are making? You have free will of course and can have any preference that you wish. But if you want to frame it as a compelling argument in favor of you POV you need substance in it - by addressing the details in the post.

Acts 17:11 "They searched THE SCRIPTUREs daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the APOSTLE Paul - WERE SO"

How is that NOT - "Sola Scriptura"???

Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

The Bible doesn't say any of that. "Bible alone" theology is a man made tradition, it isn't found anywhere in the Bible.

On the contrary --

1. How is that NOT "sola scriptura" testing tradition.
2. How is that NOT calling the Word of God = Commandment of God = Moses said.
3. How is that NOT sola-scriptura hammering the tradition of the accepted magesterium of the nation-church that GOD started at Sinai - in the days of Christ

Funny - that's NOT what the Bible says. NOWHERE does the Bible teach the fairy tale that is Sola Scriptura.

On the contrary --

1. How is that NOT "sola scriptura" testing tradition

 

[Marymog]

Mary, Mary, quite contrary... You were directed to SCRIPTURE AS YOUR SOLE AUTHORITY.

So that's what you have to deal with regardless of what the pope or any non-Catholic says. God will hold you personally accountable for how you have regarded His Word. And I already showed you from Scripture that the sacraments are NOT necessary for salvation. So now you are between a rock and a hard place. Believe God or believe the RCC.

Can you not see how you are saying sola scriptura is the sole authority but you claim to have authority over me by telling me that I am misinterpreting Scripture and not practicing my Christian faith according to Scripture??? Your authority to properly interpret scripture is superior to men of the RCC??? Does that not destroy your own theory???

Is it possible that YOU have misinterpreted Scripture?

BTW....You dodged the question YOU QOUTED: @BobRyan and YOU are speaking on behalf of God and I should believe as TRUTH everything you two tell me???

Is it possible to get an answer to that question?????

Mary

 

[brakelite]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=450139608814180

 

[Enoch111]

Is it possible to get an answer to that question?????

The answer was already given, but since you missed it, here is the answer.

1. It is the duty of all Christians to point others to the truth -- God's Truth.

2. The Bible is the Word of Truth. Jesus Himself in THE TRUTH and all Scriptures witness to Him, since grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

3. Those who choose beliefs, ideas, and practices which have no foundation in Scripture are being deceived by Satan and his evil spirits.

 

[Marymog]

The answer was already given, but since you missed it, here is the answer.

1. It is the duty of all Christians to point others to the truth -- God's Truth.

2. The Bible is the Word of Truth. Jesus Himself in THE TRUTH and all Scriptures witness to Him, since grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

3. Those who choose beliefs, ideas, and practices which have no foundation in Scripture are being deceived by Satan and his evil spirits.

Hmmmm.....I don't recall seeing that answer until now. Which post # was that in?

Moving on....

This Christian HAS pointed you to the truth--Gods Truth--and you have ignored it. I have used the Bible to show you that Truth. You have rejected it. Since you have rejected this truth and your practice and ideas have NO foundation in Scripture it is clear you are being deceived by Satan and his evil spirits.

So I ask again: Should I, Marymog, believe as TRUTH everything you tell me???

Mary

 

[Marymog]

The answer was already given, but since you missed it, here is the answer.

1. It is the duty of all Christians to point others to the truth -- God's Truth.

2. The Bible is the Word of Truth. Jesus Himself in THE TRUTH and all Scriptures witness to Him, since grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

3. Those who choose beliefs, ideas, and practices which have no foundation in Scripture are being deceived by Satan and his evil spirits.

Hmmmm....I wonder if you will attempt to answer the other 4 questions in post #863???

Curious Mary

 

[Enoch111]

Curious Mary

Do you recall that saying "Curiosity killed the cat"? Or would it be better to say "The cat is out of the bag"? or should we ask The Cat in the Hat to answer your curious questions?

 

[Marymog]

Do you recall that saying "Curiosity killed the cat"? Or would it be better to say "The cat is out of the bag"? or should we ask The Cat in the Hat to answer your curious questions?

LOL.....got it.

To answer those 4 questions would destroy your own un-biblical theory therefore it is best you don't answer.

That's OK....I didn't expect you would.

Mary

 

[Enoch111]

That's OK....I didn't expect you would.

Mary, instead of taking digs at me, you should be OUTRAGED at what has been reported about over 300 PREDATOR PRIESTS in Pennsylvania (never mind about what was just reported from Chile recently).

If I were you I would leave the Catholic Church on the basis of WORLDWIDE sexual abuse by priests, and criminal cover ups by their bishops (and of course the Pope). And all of this is a result of unbiblical doctrines and practices.

BTW answering your questions would have been a waste of time.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Why would men have been willing to be martyred for this "fairy tale"? You need to sit down and ask yourself some tough questions. And then turn away from the fantasies created by the Catholic Church.

I can ask YOU the SAME question about the Real Presence.
Why were men and women willing to be fed to wild animals for their belief in the Eucharist??


The difference is that the Real Presence is completely supported by Scripture - whereas, not even ONE line of Scripture supports Sola Scriptura.

 

[Phoneman777]

Why do ignorant anti-Catholics like YOU persist in proliferating the myth that molestation and pedophelia happens exclusively in the Catholic Church??

Never said it was exclusive to the RCC - I'm saying that if their were a Child Sex Abuse event in the Olympics, the RCC would win every medal before the Protestants even made it to the staring line.

The actual numbers show that YOUR Protestant sects are rampant with this filth - even MORE so than the Catholic Church. Every time you sling an insult at "pedophile priests" - it simply shows YOUR pathetic denial of this fact . . .

Your propagandist links are garbage. It's impossible to know the extent of RCC child sex abuse - though we are certain it is a global epidemic - because RCC efforts to cover up child sex abuse often begin and end with the families being pressured to "be good Catholics" and spare the church "embarrassment" while countless more children grow up with the horrific fallout of sex abuse at the hands of demonically oppressed/possessed priests.

As to your ridiculously stupid comments about "image worship" - The Church has ALWAYS condemned this behavior.

Yes, that's why the big toe of the statue of "St. Peter" - which was originally worshiped as the god Jupiter - has been literally kissed off, right?

In Matt. 26:44, our Lord himself prayed the exact same prayer - THREE TIMES in a row in the Garden of Gethsemane after the Last Supper.

Praying the same exact prayers repetitiously is Biblically acceptable. Praying the same exact prayers using the same exact repetitious words is how the heathen pray - like Islam. No professing Christian denomination ought to do as the heathen do. All your examples are of the acceptable former, not the Satanic latter.

Shall I go on, Einstein??

You've given ZERO Biblical examples to justify the pagan repetitious prayers that the RCC teaches...I pray you will give your heart to Jesus, obtain Holy Spirit discernment, and leave the Satanic Antichrist stronghold in Rome.

 

[BobRyan]

Hmmmm....I wonder if you will attempt to answer the other 4 questions in post #863???
Curious Mary

They were addressed in #862

And by the fact that it is not "surprising" that people differ.

It is also not surprising to find that some of those who accept the Bible as "The Word of God" tell other people read it and accept what it says.

 

[aspen]

Pedophilia is awful no matter where it occurs - and it occurs everywhere. Every institution is a breeding ground for the behavior and everyone needs to recognize the problem and take action.

Using this behavior to judge instead of reform is just perpetuating the problem - passing the buck.

 

[Phoneman777]

Hmmmmm - another stupid and false claim.

Ummmmmm, can you present the Church document that made the claim that "ALL non-Catholics" went "straight to Hell"??
Surely, you must have some evidence of this fallacy??

I eagerly await your well-researched response . . .


PS - you've already been repeatedly schooled about the definition and etymology of "Papacy" - yet you keep misfiring with your stupidity about "Church and state", which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the word "Papacy".

Though I love Jesus and want to obey His every command, I have prayerfully studied and concluded that the office of the papacy is:

• rejected of God as His sworn enemy and soon to be defeated foe
• Satan's headquarters on Earth
• houses the Catholic "pedophile-in-chief"
• depicted as the Whore of Babylon Catholic church riding the Beastly secular government which compels all on her behalf
• the 1st Beast of Revelation 13 which is to be cast into the Lake of Fire and be burned up out of existence

I bet you a bazillion dollars you can't find a single Catholic official which will say I'm heaven bound, so stop with the foolishness please.

 

[aspen]

We are called not to judge because sinners have no perspective on other peoples sin - we are only judging our own image of the person. We are only capable of seeing other peoples personal sin so that we can root out our own.

 

[aspen]

Well, a bazillion dollars is a lot of money......

 

[Triumph1300]

I bet you a bazillion dollars you can't find a single Catholic official which will say I'm heaven bound, so stop with the foolishness please.

Isn't gambling a sin? ;-)

 

[BreadOfLife]

Though I love Jesus and want to obey His every command, I have prayerfully studied and concluded that the office of the papacy is:

• rejected of God as His sworn enemy and soon to be defeated foe
• Satan's headquarters on Earth
• houses the Catholic "pedophile-in-chief"
• depicted as the Whore of Babylon Catholic church riding the Beastly secular government which compels all on her behalf
• the 1st Beast of Revelation 13 which is to be cast into the Lake of Fire and be burned up out of existence

I bet you a bazillion dollars you can't find a single Catholic official which will say I'm heaven bound, so stop with the foolishness please.

Another moronic, ill-researched post - what a surprise . . .

Before you go around betting a "bazillion" dollars - do your homework.
NEITHER will the Church tell you that you're going to Hell, as you falsely claimed.

As to your pathetic ignorance of Scripture, the Beast and the Whore of Babylon are two DIFFERENT entities - so they can't BOTH be the Church, Einstein.

Finally, as to pedophiles - they are everywhere - even in YOUR neck of the woods . . .

Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson

Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis : NPR

Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’

Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy

Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy

 

[BreadOfLife]

Never said it was exclusive to the RCC - I'm saying that if their were a Child Sex Abuse event in the Olympics, the RCC would win every medal before the Protestants even made it to the staring line.

Not according to the links provided, Einstein.
There are REAL news sources and quotes from Protestant leaders.

Your propagandist links are garbage. It's impossible to know the extent of RCC child sex abuse - though we are certain it is a global epidemic - because RCC efforts to cover up child sex abuse often begin and end with the families being pressured to "be good Catholics" and spare the church "embarrassment" while countless more children grow up with the horrific fallout of sex abuse at the hands of demonically oppressed/possessed priests.

They're only "garbage" because they obliterate your phony position.
Maybe you should actually R*E*A*D some of the stories and the statistics.

As for it being "impossible" to know the extent of the problem - the very SAME can be said of the pedophiles within the Protestant sects. As a matter of fact - if you knew anything about this issue - you would know that MARRIED MEN are more likely to molest a child than single men.

Once again - you've come to a gunfight armed only with a pea-shooter . . .

Yes, that's why the big toe of the statue of "St. Peter" - which was originally worshiped as the god Jupiter - has been literally kissed off, right?

Kissing a picture or a statue is "worship"??
Since WHEN??

I've known a LOT of guys who kissed pictures of their girlfriends in the service. Were they "worshiping" them, Einstein - or were they just showing their love for them??

This is "Worship"??

Get a grip . . .

Praying the same exact prayers repetitiously is Biblically acceptable. Praying the same exact prayers using the same exact repetitious words is how the heathen pray - like Islam. No professing Christian denomination ought to do as the heathen do. All your examples are of the acceptable former, not the Satanic latter.
You've given ZERO Biblical examples to justify the pagan repetitious prayers that the RCC teaches...I pray you will give your heart to Jesus, obtain Holy Spirit discernment, and leave the Satanic Antichrist stronghold in Rome.

As usual - this is a complete and total LIE.
I gave you SEVERAL Biblical examples of repetitious prayer:

Matt. 6:7, Jesus was speaking about the nonsensical babbling of pagans to their gods - NOT the sincere prayers of the faithful. We read about them in 1 Kings 18:26-29, where the pagan prophets on Mount Carmel tried to invoke Baal all day long, repeatedly calling on his name and performing ritual dances

In Matt. 26:44, our Lord himself prayed the exact same prayer - THREE TIMES in a row in the Garden of Gethsemane after the Last Supper.

In the Parable of the Determined Widow in Luke 18:-87, Jesus emphatically states that God hears those who keep petitioning him in sincere faith: “Will not God then secure the rights of his chosen ones who call out to him day and night? Will he be slow to answer them? I tell you, he will see to it that justice is done for them speedily.”

In Luke 18:13, the tax collector kept beating his breast and praying, “God be merciful to me, a sinner.”
This was pleasing to God

We see in Rev. 4:8 that the angels pray the exact same prayer day and night without ceasing in the presence of almighty God, “Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty.”

Psalm 136 goes on for TWENTY-SIX VERSES in a row, repeating the exact same prayer, “God's love endures forever”.

In Dan. 3:56-88 we read the exact same prayer for THIRTY-TWO VERSES, which is “bless the Lord; praise and exalt him above all forever.” This is far more repetitious than a decade of the Rosary.