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1stCenturyLady

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It would appear that you are quite confused about the Ten Commandments.

How in the world can they be "for the flesh" since the New Covenant and the New Birth are of the Spirit, at which time those commandments are written on the hearts and minds of those who are born again?

HEBREWS 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

As Paul tells, they were written on tablets of stone under the Old Covenant, but they are written on the hearts and minds -- by the regeneration of the Holy Spirit -- under the New Covenant.

Including keeping the 7th day (Saturday) as the Sabbath?
 
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@amadeus @bbyrd009 @GodsGrace @Nancy

Right after the first email I just got this a moment ago...
It is 1.40am there...so he obviously isn't sleeping.
( don't I know how that feels!! :rolleyes: )

His message.

Hello again Helen - I cant seem to connect with 'staying in touch 2' - I have had a pacemaker fitted and fractured my hip bone and been on various other check ups and been turned upside down, and inside out etc - twinc

Im glad he is his same old self... :D
Wonderful news! Thank you for sharing that Helen ♥
 
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Yes. But then we have the problem with the Sabbath.
I'm not sure about what I believe concerning that.
It IS one of the commandments and it seems to me that Jesus said they were not abolished... I'm just not sure either way.

If we love, there will be more than the 10,,,but love covers all.
For instance, if we love others, we will also be adhering to Mathew 5:3-10 which I brought up before.
What's the problem with the Sabbath? It's not a problem, it's a privilege :) The three "first day proof texts" that are used to "establish" Sunday sacredness (Acts 20:7; I Corinthians 16:1-2; John 20:19) are EASILY shown to be nothing of the kind. And rightly so, because Revelation 14:12 describes those who DO NOT get the Mark of the Beast as "they that keep the commandments of God" which He wrote with His own finger in stone, which means those who DO accept the Mark will be breaking God's commandments.
 
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The Ten Commandments say nothing about believing in Jesus or love, so, no, it is not the Ten Commandments, but what the Ten Commandments, themselves, are based on. The eternal laws of God are to "love God with all your heart, mind and strength, and love your neighbor, which is also called the "royal law." The Ten Commandments were only to show us what sin is, but Jesus came to take away our sin (the whole reason for the list). He gives us His own Spirit to guide us and to walk in. With Jesus, you don't merely not kill someone, you love them.

BTW, be careful who you let teach you. Some are so blind and unteachable, themselves, not knowing a good teacher when one offers, that if you are also blind, you could fall in a ditch.
Let's see if the following is true or false:
  1. I love God but I worship Satan supremely and sacrifice children to him.
  2. I love God but I bow down to images of Satan.
  3. I love God but I take His name in vain routinely.
  4. I love God but I choose to forget the only commandment He began with the word "Remember".
  5. I love my parents although I neglect them in their old age.
  6. I love my neighbor so I make sure I'm not angry with him when I kill him.
  7. I love my neighbor and therefore I make sure not to lust after his wife when I'm having sex with her.
  8. I love my neighbor and I feel very badly for him when I'm stealing his stuff and selling it on Ebay.
  9. I love my neighbor and it's why I feel badly when I falsely accuse him in court.
  10. I love my neighbor so I make sure not to be green with envy when I wish that all his possessions could be taken from him and granted to me.
If you're keeping the spirit, you're always keeping the letter.

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:3-4
 
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Including keeping the 7th day (Saturday) as the Sabbath?
While there are many Sabbatarians here who simply refuse to acknowledge "the Lord's Day" (the first day of the week), for Christians, the observance of the Lord's Day as the day of Christian worship and rest perfectly meets the Sabbath requirement. Also, in Acts 15, Sabbath observance was excluded for the Church.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).

Christ arose on the first day of the week ("the morrow after the Sabbath"), hence it became "the Lord's Day" on which the Lord's Table with the Lord's Supper is provided weekly for Christians. We have scriptural and historical evidence that this became the Christian sabbath.

Even though the apostle John was in exile, he was worshiping on the Lord's Day, therefore he was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day".
 

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I agree, but don't know if you are agreeing with me or trying to argue. BTW, if we refer to the Ten Commandments, do you require the Scripture text? Why do you need a text for the Law of Liberty? .

Its that "sola scriptura" thing.
 

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Including keeping the 7th day (Saturday) as the Sabbath?

How many of the Ten Commandments would you personally prefer to "edit out"?

Mark 7:6-13 - how many does Christ claim in Mark 7 that are "up for grabs" as though "any ol tradition will do" for deleting one?
 

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While there are many Sabbatarians here who simply refuse to acknowledge "the Lord's Day" (the first day of the week),

That's because Sabbath keeping Christians are big on the "sola scriptura" thing and so far not one person has given a single text says "week-day-1 is the Lord's Day". as we all know by now.

for Christians, the observance of the Lord's Day as the day of Christian worship and rest perfectly meets the Sabbath requirement.

True - but when did the Lord's Day change from the 7th day to "week day 1"?? Certainly not in the Bible.

Also, in Acts 15, Sabbath observance was excluded for the Church.

Acts 15 does not say that "Do not take God's name in vain" was "excluded for the church"
And it does not say "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" was excluded for the church.
And it does not say "honor your father and mother" was excluded for the church

But Hebrews 4 DOES says "There REMAINS a Sabbath day for the people of God"
And Isaiah 66:23 says that for all eternity - after the cross -- in the New Earth "from SABBATH to SABBATH shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship"

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).

Christ arose on the first day of the week ("the morrow after the Sabbath"),

All agree on that point.

hence it became "the Lord's Day" on which the Lord's Table with the Lord's Supper is provided

nonsense.

1. No Bible text says "week-day-1 became the Lord's Day"
2. The Bible has Jesus and the disciples at the "Lord's Table" on Thursday evening just before Passover.
3. There is not a single text saying that every week-day-1 the "Lord's Supper" was being observed.
4. "EVERY Sabbath" - Christian Jews and Gentiles met in the synagogue for Gospel preaching in Acts 18:4

We have scriptural and historical evidence that this became the Christian sabbath.

1. No text - no not one in the NT - refers to week-day-1 as the weekly Sabbath for Christians. All references in the NT refer to the 7th day of the week.
2. Since you say you have scriptural evidence that week-day-1 became the Christian Sabbath. this would be a good time to come up with it.

Even though the apostle John was in exile, he was worshiping on the Lord's Day

And that is the 7th day of the week "the Son of man LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28

, therefore he was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day".

Agreed.
 

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That's because Sabbath keeping Christians are big on the "sola scriptura" thing and so far not one person has given a single text says "week-day-1 is the Lord's Day". as we all know by now.
The very fact that I quoted Revelation 1:10,11 should be sufficient. Had that been the Sabbath, it would have been called the Sabbath (as is the case throughout Scripture). But the special designation of the first day of the week as "the Lord's Day" was given to John by Christ, and it has been the Christian "sabbath" ever since.

You have tried to claim that the Lord's Day is the sabbath, but that is totally incorrect. So here is what we have from the History of the Christian Church by Philip Schaff:

§ 60. The Lord's Day.
See Lit. in vol. I. 476.

The celebration of the Lord's Day in memory of the resurrection of Christ dates undoubtedly from the apostolic age.299 Nothing short of apostolic precedent can account for the universal religious observance in the churches of the second century. There is no dissenting voice. This custom is confirmed by the testimonies of the earliest post-apostolic writers, as Barnabas,300 Ignatius,301 and Justin Martyr.302 It is also confirmed by the younger Pliny.303 The Didache calls the first day "the Lord's Day of the Lord."304

Considering that the church was struggling into existence, and that a large number of Christians were slaves of heathen masters, we cannot expect an unbroken regularity of worship and a universal cessation of labor on Sunday until the civil government in the time of Constantine came to the help of the church and legalized (and in part even enforced) the observance of the Lord's Day. This may be the reason why the religious observance of it was not expressly enjoined by Christ and the apostles; as for similar reasons there is no prohibition of polygamy and slavery by the letter of the New Testament, although its spirit condemns these abuses, and led to their abolition.

We may go further and say that coercive Sunday laws are against the genius and spirit of the Christian religion which appeals to the free will of man, and uses only moral means for its ends. A Christian government may and ought to protect the Christian Sabbath against open desecration, but its positive observance by attending public worship, must be left to the conscientious conviction of individuals. Religion cannot be forced by law. It looses its value when it ceases to be voluntary.

The fathers did not regard the Christian Sunday as a continuation of, but as a substitute for, the Jewish Sabbath, and based it not so much on the fourth commandment, and the primitive rest of God in creation, to which the commandment expressly refers, as upon the resurrection of Christ and the apostolic tradition. There was a disposition to disparage the Jewish law in the zeal to prove the independent originality of Christian institutions. The same polemic interest against Judaism ruled in the paschal controversies, and made Christian Easter a moveable feast.

Nevertheless, Sunday was always regarded in the ancient church as a divine institution, at least in the secondary sense, as distinct from divine ordinances in the primary sense, which were directly and positively commanded by Christ, as baptism and the Lord's Supper. Regular public worship absolutely requires a stated day of worship.

Ignatius was the first who contrasted Sunday with the Jewish Sabbath as something done away with.305 So did the author of the so-called Epistle of Barnabas.306 Justin Martyr, in controversy with a Jew, says that the pious before Moses pleased God without circumcision and the Sabbath,307 and that Christianity requires not one particular Sabbath, but a perpetual Sabbath.308 He assigns as a reason for the selection of the first day for the purposes of Christian worship, because on that day God dispelled the darkness and the chaos, and because Jesus rose from the dead and appeared to his assembled disciples, but makes no allusion to the fourth commandment.309 He uses the term "to sabbathize" (sabbativzein), only of the Jews, except in the passage just quoted, where he spiritualizes the Jewish law.

Dionysius of Corinth mentions Sunday incidentally in a letter to the church of Rome, A.D., 170: "To-day we kept the Lord's Day holy, in which we read your letter."310 Melito of Sardis wrote a treatise on the Lord's Day, which is lost.311 Irenaeus of Lyons, about 170, bears testimony to the celebration of the Lord's Day,312 but likewise regards the Jewish Sabbath merely as a symbolical and typical ordinance, and says that "Abraham without circumcision and without observance of Sabbaths believed in God," which proves "the symbolical and temporary character of those ordinances, and their inability to make perfect."313

Tertullian, at the close of the second and beginning of the third century, views the Lord's Day as figurative of rest from sin and typical of man's final rest, and says: "We have nothing to do with Sabbaths, new moons or the Jewish festivals, much less with those of the heathen. We have our own solemnities, the Lord's Day, for instance, and Pentecost. As the heathen confine themselves to their festivals and do not observe ours, let us confine ourselves to ours, and not meddle with those belonging to them." He thought it wrong to fast on the Lord's Day, or to pray kneeling during its continuance. "Sunday we give to joy." But he also considered it Christian duty to abstain from secular care and labor, lest we give place to the devil.314 This is the first express evidence of cessation from labor on Sunday among Christians. The habit of standing in prayer on Sunday, which Tertullian regarded as essential to the festive character of the day, and which was sanctioned by an ecumenical council, was afterwards abandoned by the western church.

The Alexandrian fathers have essentially the same view, with some fancies of their own concerning the allegorical meaning of the Jewish Sabbath.

We see then that the ante-Nicene church clearly distinguished the Christian Sunday from the Jewish Sabbath, and put it on independent Christian ground. She did not fully appreciate the perpetual obligation of the fourth commandment in its substance as a weekly day of rest, rooted in the physical and moral necessities of man. This is independent of those ceremonial enactments which were intended only for the Jews and abolished by the gospel. But, on the other hand, the church took no secular liberties with the day. On the question of theatrical and other amusements she was decidedly puritanic and ascetic, and denounced them as being inconsistent on any day with the profession of a soldier of the cross. She regarded Sunday as a sacred day, as the Day of the Lord, as the weekly commemoration of his resurrection and the pentecostal effusion of the Spirit, and therefore as a day of holy joy and thanksgiving to be celebrated even before the rising sun by prayer, praise, and communion with the risen Lord and Saviour.

Sunday legislation began with Constantine, and belongs to the next period.

The observance of the Sabbath among the Jewish Christians gradually ceased. Yet the Eastern church to this day marks the seventh day of the week (excepting only the Easter Sabbath) by omitting fasting, and by standing in prayer; while the Latin church, in direct opposition to Judaism, made Saturday a fast day. The controversy on this point began as early as the, end of the second century





 

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While there are many Sabbatarians here who simply refuse to acknowledge "the Lord's Day" (the first day of the week), for Christians, the observance of the Lord's Day as the day of Christian worship and rest perfectly meets the Sabbath requirement. Also, in Acts 15, Sabbath observance was excluded for the Church.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).

Christ arose on the first day of the week ("the morrow after the Sabbath"), hence it became "the Lord's Day" on which the Lord's Table with the Lord's Supper is provided weekly for Christians. We have scriptural and historical evidence that this became the Christian sabbath.

Even though the apostle John was in exile, he was worshiping on the Lord's Day, therefore he was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day".
Calling the first day of the week Enoch, the Lords Day, is a private interpretation. The scripture does not support your private interpretation.
The Lords Day is and has always been the seventh day of the week. This has been amply shown in many previous posts on the subject.
 

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What's the problem with the Sabbath? It's not a problem, it's a privilege :) The three "first day proof texts" that are used to "establish" Sunday sacredness (Acts 20:7; I Corinthians 16:1-2; John 20:19) are EASILY shown to be nothing of the kind. And rightly so, because Revelation 14:12 describes those who DO NOT get the Mark of the Beast as "they that keep the commandments of God" which He wrote with His own finger in stone, which means those who DO accept the Mark will be breaking God's commandments.

Spoken like a true Seventh-day Adventist denominationalist. I now see why you believe the Ten Commandments are the laws of God that are written on the heart. By your comment, you believe Sunday worship is the mark of the beast. I recognize the signs seeing as I was raised SDA. So I don't judge you for keeping the 4th commandment as you believe. But I do judge the hypocrites who believe it is the Ten Commandments that are written on their heart, and yet do not keep the old covenant Sabbath. There is a big difference between you and them, seeing as their breaking of that one commandment they place themselves under, is breaking them all.

Sabbath keeping is taught, not supernaturally written on our conscience, so that if you go past sundown, your conscience notifies you, and you can't go on with whatever it was you were doing. But those who are baptized with the Holy Spirit love Jesus with all their heart, mind and strength, and love their neighbor as themselves - the eternal laws that ARE written on our hearts, that the Ten Commandments were merely based on, but far more complete. When you walk in the Spirit, the eternal laws of God written on our hearts do not allow us to steal, kill or lie with a clean conscience either. But our Sabbath rest is coming boldly to the throne of Grace. Hebrews 4.
 

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Let's see if the following is true or false:
  1. I love God but I worship Satan supremely and sacrifice children to him.
  2. I love God but I bow down to images of Satan.
  3. I love God but I take His name in vain routinely.
  4. I love God but I choose to forget the only commandment He began with the word "Remember".
  5. I love my parents although I neglect them in their old age.
  6. I love my neighbor so I make sure I'm not angry with him when I kill him.
  7. I love my neighbor and therefore I make sure not to lust after his wife when I'm having sex with her.
  8. I love my neighbor and I feel very badly for him when I'm stealing his stuff and selling it on Ebay.
  9. I love my neighbor and it's why I feel badly when I falsely accuse him in court.
  10. I love my neighbor so I make sure not to be green with envy when I wish that all his possessions could be taken from him and granted to me.
If you're keeping the spirit, you're always keeping the letter.

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:3-4

Do the commandments to love Jesus with all your heart, mind and strength, and your neighbor as yourself allow for any of the nonsense you just referred to? No! That reasoning is pointless.

The commandments John is referring to in 1 John 2:3-4 are not the Ten Commandments. They are the commandments referred to in the next chapter. 1 John 3:23. Every time you use a verse about commandments written by John, including Revelation, they are those commandments "believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love your neighbor. Superimposing the Ten Commandments onto the word, "commandments," does not mean John is also referring to keeping the Sabbath. Keeping the Sabbath was the sign of the old covenant. We have a new sign of the covenant we are under, the cup of the New Testament 1 Corinthians 11:25.
 

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While there are many Sabbatarians here who simply refuse to acknowledge "the Lord's Day" (the first day of the week), for Christians, the observance of the Lord's Day as the day of Christian worship and rest perfectly meets the Sabbath requirement. Also, in Acts 15, Sabbath observance was excluded for the Church.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).

Christ arose on the first day of the week ("the morrow after the Sabbath"), hence it became "the Lord's Day" on which the Lord's Table with the Lord's Supper is provided weekly for Christians. We have scriptural and historical evidence that this became the Christian sabbath.

Even though the apostle John was in exile, he was worshiping on the Lord's Day, therefore he was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day".

Actually, we are not to keep Sunday as LAW. It is a tradition. But, I agree with everything else in your post. Those who say Sunday is the Sabbath, did not get that from God's word. Our "Sabbath" is the throne of Grace, which we can come to daily, not just once a week, Hebrews 4.
 

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How many of the Ten Commandments would you personally prefer to "edit out"?

Mark 7:6-13 - how many does Christ claim in Mark 7 that are "up for grabs" as though "any ol tradition will do" for deleting one?

Just the Sabbath. It was the sign of the old covenant, and once a new covenant replaces the old, the sign is also replaced by the new sign. In our case, the sign of the new covenant is the CUP of the New Testament, which represents Christ's blood. All the Sabbaths, including the weekly Sabbath were foreshadows that pointed in some way in Jesus. Believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and you fulfill the old Sabbath commandment, because Jesus is our High Priest at the Throne of Grace.

What I want to clarify also is I do not believe Sunday worship is law, just tradition based on celebrating Christ's resurrection, and also the beginning of His Church. Those who believe it is law, don't know any better. We are not under the law, if we have the Spirit.
 
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It would appear that you are quite confused about the Ten Commandments.

How in the world can they be "for the flesh" since the New Covenant and the New Birth are of the Spirit, at which time those commandments are written on the hearts and minds of those who are born again?

HEBREWS 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

As Paul tells, they were written on tablets of stone under the Old Covenant, but they are written on the hearts and minds -- by the regeneration of the Holy Spirit -- under the New Covenant.
The above is for @1stCenturyLady, but I just want to add:

The difference between the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant is so incredibly simple that it is almost not noticeable.

In the M.C. (or Old Covenant) the law is written on stone.
In the N.C. the law is written on our hearts. (as per Jeremiah 31:33 which is the basis for the New Covenant.

The law is STILL WRITTEN.
But it now becomes possible to keep it. (as best as possible)
( and we don't go to paradise at death, but to heaven)

Romans is not an easy book to understand, and I fear many do not.
 
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The very fact that I quoted Revelation 1:10,11 should be sufficient. Had that been the Sabbath, it would have been called the Sabbath (as is the case throughout Scripture). But the special designation of the first day of the week as "the Lord's Day" was given to John by Christ, and it has been the Christian "sabbath" ever since.

Scripture verifies scripture, and this is the one and only time "the Lord's Day" is referred to, but not to what day of the week it is referring to. Tradition has it that it is Sunday. But that verse could just as easily been referring to John being in the Spirit ABOUT the "day of the Lord" - end times, which would then make it not the only time referred to in scripture.
 

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If that's what you believe, then keep the strict keeping of the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. Remember, break one commandment you are guilty of breaking them all.
Well 1st century lady, obeying the commandments is a START, I guess.
If one can't even do THAT, how does one go on to bigger and bolder things?

Referring to your post no. 317.

And please stick to scripture and how you understand it,
God and I will concern ourselves with my soul.

Thanks.
 

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Well 1st century lady, obeying the commandments is a START, I guess.
If one can't even do THAT, how does one go on to bigger and bolder things?

Referring to your post no. 317.

And please stick to scripture and how you understand it,
God and I will concern ourselves with my soul.

Thanks.

I DO what I believe. I'm not a hypocrite.
 

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@amadeus @bbyrd009 @GodsGrace @Nancy

Right after the first email I just got this a moment ago...
It is 1.40am there...so he obviously isn't sleeping.
( don't I know how that feels!! :rolleyes: )

His message.

Hello again Helen - I cant seem to connect with 'staying in touch 2' - I have had a pacemaker fitted and fractured my hip bone and been on various other check ups and been turned upside down, and inside out etc - twinc

Im glad he is his same old self... :D
This is so sad to hear !

First that he was banned...maybe it was just a suspension?
I do agree with you that if someone is doing something wrong, they should be told so, at least they get a chance to stop whatever they're doing. Who can remember every rule? The best we can do is just speak about the bible...not get too personal. (which I have experienced here).

Sorry for the derail...

I was also sorry to hear of his medical problems. It's difficult to get better again at that age.

I wish the mods would let him back on...if the ban is even true...

Happy Sunday.
GG