Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

[CoreIssue]

Not quite. If Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, then no one can be put to hell, yet Scripture declares hell will heavily be populated. Jesus redeemed and paid for the sins of all born-again believers only (Matthew 1:21).



It is not the belief rather the "trust" that I hold God will finish the work He started to save me. And, yes a born-again believer goes to be with the Lord after death (2 Corinthians 5:8).

To God Be The Glory

Jesus paid a price that would that would cover the sins of every human who ever lived. But there's a condition. You must repent and you must accept the one true god.

 

[GodsGrace]

You forgot is a equally important issue. If the reason is legalism, that is also a sin.

Legalism is a sin?
What is legalism?

 

[Phoneman777]

You forgot is a equally important issue. If the reason is legalism, that is also a sin.

Antinomianists have repeated the false idea that the carnal mind can keep God's commandments so much so that it is now commonly accepted - which idea is used to call into question the motives of the spiritually minded which strives to do keep them, or to challenge our obligation to them altogether.

The truth is that "the carnal mind is enmity ("hostile") against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Romans 8:7

This means that not only does the carnal mind not obey God's law, as many antinomianists claim is possible, but it is incapable of obeying them even if it wanted to.

The unavoidable conclusion is that obedience is the mark of Christ in the heart and a lack thereof is the mark of those who have not Christ - a most unwelcome prospect to antinomianists.

 

[CoreIssue]

Legalism is a sin?
What is legalism?

Big topic.

What does the Bible say about legalism? How can a Christian avoid falling into the trap of legalism?

 

[Phoneman777]

Legalism is a sin?
What is legalism?

Classic (true) and contemporary (false) definitions forthwith:

Legalism used to refer to the pagan idea that "something I do makes me acceptable to God" and is condemned rightly so in Scripture. Jesus Himself said after we've done all that God commands, we are to say we are "unprofitable servants" who've done only what Paul says is "reasonable service".

Antinomianists don't like the idea of rules and obedience much like the philandering husband doesn't like the whole bit about "keep yourself for her only, etc."

Today, Legalism is a redefined term used as a club to bash over the heads of anyone who preaches the firmly established Biblical doctrine that obedience is not a means to an end - salvation - but the evidence that salvation has been received in the heart.

 

[GodsGrace]

Big topic.

What does the Bible say about legalism? How can a Christian avoid falling into the trap of legalism?

I know what legalism is C.
I'm trying to find out why you think it's a sin.

 

[CoreIssue]

We do not know the hearts or intent of others.

But I agree is impossible for anyone to obey 100%, but some give the appearance they are obeying more than they really are. In example, committing a sin in your mind is just as bad as committing it in public.

An example is not getting drunk. There are those that will not get drunk in public but did pass out drunk in private.

Look at the old testament Jews, especially the pharisees, with all their false piety.

 

[GodsGrace]

Classic (true) and contemporary (false) definitions forthwith:

Legalism used to refer to the pagan idea that "something I do makes me acceptable to God" and is condemned rightly so in Scripture. Jesus Himself said after we've done all that God commands, we are to say we are "unprofitable servants" who've done only what Paul says is "reasonable service".

Antinomianists don't like the idea of rules and obedience much like the philandering husband doesn't like the whole bit about "keep yourself for her only, etc."

Today, Legalism is a redefined term used as a club to bash over the heads of anyone who preaches the firmly established Biblical doctrine that obedience is not a means to an end - salvation - but the evidence that salvation has been received in the heart.

LOL
My head is in constant pain!!!

 

[CoreIssue]

I know what legalism is C.
I'm trying to find out why you think it's a sin.

Fair question. In the simplest terms possible is a lie.

 

[Phoneman777]

LOL
My head is in constant pain!!!

Laughter is the best medicine, so here's a dose:

A Catholic girl came home from high school and walked into the living room where her good Catholic mother was reading the catechism.
"Mom, I've decided I want to be a Prostitute."

Mom wakes up on the floor a little while later and finds her family and neighbors gathered around her waving handkerchiefs and such. Slowly she looks around, see her daughter, and says, "Wh..what did you say?"
"I want to be a Prostitute"
"OH THANK GOD!!! THANK GOD!!! I thought you said you wanted to be a PROTESTANT!!!"

 

[GodsGrace]

Laughter is the best medicine, so here's a dose:

A Catholic girl came home from high school and walked into the living room where her good Catholic mother was reading the catechism.
"Mom, I've decided I want to be a Prostitute."

Mom wakes up on the floor a little while later and finds her family and neighbors gathered around her waving handkerchiefs and such. Slowly she looks around, see her daughter, and says, "Wh..what did you say?"
"I want to be a Prostitute"
"OH THANK GOD!!! THANK GOD!!! I thought you said you wanted to be a PROTESTANT!!!"

LOL!

 

[Jun2u]

Jun2u said: ↑
There is not a sin that he can commit which will threaten him with hell (1 John 3:9).

so imo this v is being misinterpreted, and it is not saying what you are trying to make it say, the "you" here being plural and i guess even the majority?

There are no plural words such as "you" and "majority" in 1 John 3:9, and neither did I mention there were. In fact, this verse is a "truism" for it is God's WORD.

So i mean don't get me wrong, i know you inherited the interpretation ok, but this v is not saying that bc you have made some noises with your mouth you cannot possibly sin, it is saying that bc you have made a commitment you must work to fulfill it, you "cannot" meaning "do not, at all costs" iow.

No, sorry to disappoint you, I did not inherit the interpretation other than what the Holy Spirit revealed to me, and His revelation is not all "noises" as you claim. I don't have to "work" to fulfill something that I have received as "free."

It is just put that way so that your ancestors could misinterpret it to suit themselves and deceive you too imo.

No, I read and understand Scripture better than most, and not even Satan can deceive a child of God for Jesus promised: "resist the Devil and he will flee from you."

Confession leads to salvation regardless of whether you deem yourself "lost" or "saved."

This is a false statement of course. Anyone can confess (admit) with his mouth the Lord Jesus every day until he dies and that will NOT bring him closer to salvation. The devils believe and they tremble. Confession does not only mean to make a confession but a person must hang all his life that Jesus has become his Lord and Saviour (Romans 10:9-10). However, these vv must be read in light of Jeremiah 17:9.

Now we might wonder how someone whose sins are all forgiven--Hitler, for instance--would have any problems "entering heaven" without "being saved,"
imo

Don't you believe in the "death-bed confession?" Is anything too hard for God? It is said, "there is no sinner in the fox-hole."

To God Be The Glory

 

[GodsGrace]

so imo this v is being misinterpreted, and it is not saying what you are trying to make it say, the "you" here being plural and i guess even the majority? So i mean don't get me wrong, i know you inherited the interpretation ok, but this v is not saying that bc you have made some noises with your mouth you cannot possibly sin, it is saying that bc you have made a commitment you must work to fulfill it, you "cannot" meaning "do not, at all costs" iow. It is just put that way so that your ancestors could misinterpret it to suit themselves and deceive you too imo.

Confession leads to salvation regardless of whether you deem yourself "lost" or "saved."
And your sins are forgiven regardless of how you deem yourself too!
The forgiveness is not contingent upon the confession; the salvation is.

Now we might wonder how someone whose sins are all forgiven--Hitler, for instance--would have any problems "entering heaven" without "being saved," but we have now forgotten about confession here first off--that thing that Hitler ostensibly did not do--and secondly we are no longer even talking about Life, more abundantly see, we are now discussing the Cult of Sol Invictus, the many that will be singing 'when we all get to hea

imo

You're right bb.
It means to continue in a life of sin,,,,,

 

[Jun2u]

Jesus paid a price that would that would cover the sins of every human who ever lived

God did pay a tremendous price to have a people for Himself who does not deserve salvation, by sending His only Son to die on the cross to redeem their sins (Matthew 1:21). Most Christians do not know the complexity of salvation and many do not know what they are saved from.

If Jesus paid for every sin that every man will ever commit, who then would be put to hell? NONE! If any man commits every sin in the book, he is still not accountable for all of those sins because as you contend, Christ paid for all of his sins! Therefore, God's demand for justice "the wages of sin is death" cannot be met because there is NO sin that he can commit that will threaten him with hell!!!

In fact, the ONLY way anyone can become saved is that God must "draw" him, John 6:44, along with John 6:37 and 39.

But there's a condition. You must repent and you must accept the one true god.

There isn't any kind of condition whereby man can be saved neither by repentance or by acceptance. BTW, accepting the Lord Jesus is NEVER taught in Scripture. You probably mean believe. Even then the devils believe yet they tremble.

Salvation is a gift, not of works lest any man should boast. Repentance and believing is a work that man does and is contrary to Ephesians 2:8-9.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Zachary]

If any man commits every sin in the book, he is still not accountable for all of those sins because ... Christ paid for all of his sins!

Unfortunately, you and many others choose to ignore and/or reject the dire warnings
about the wages of sin is death, etc. that God has placed in the NT.
Perhaps, it's time to list them again!

BTW, are you an ignorer or a rejecter/rejector?

 

[bbyrd009]

Not quite. If Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, then no one can be put to hell, yet Scripture declares hell will heavily be populated. Jesus redeemed and paid for the sins of all born-again believers only (Matthew 1:21).

1 John 2:2, and you cannot Quote anyone in Tartarus that i am aware of wadr

It is not the belief rather the "trust" that I hold God will finish the work He started to save me. And, yes a born-again believer goes to be with the Lord after death (2 Corinthians 5:8).

so, you are quoting Paul as having said "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" i guess, ok

 

[bbyrd009]

There are no plural words such as "you" and "majority" in 1 John 3:9, and neither did I mention there were. In fact, this verse is a "truism" for it is God's WORD.

yes, so iow anyone who becomes "saved" in the common understanding we as Western Christians all hold is now immediately also made into someone who cannot possibly sin, just like the v apparently says right

No, I read and understand Scripture better than most, and not even Satan can deceive a child of God

ok

 

[bbyrd009]

His revelation is not all "noises" as you claim.

i was not commenting on any revelation though wadr

Anyone can confess (admit) with his mouth the Lord Jesus every day until he dies and that will NOT bring him closer to salvation.

that is not confessing imo, that is professing; confession of missing the mark is what leads to salvation imo.

Professing a desire to follow Christ--or believe in Jesus even, whatever--is just that imo, a declaration of intent that amounts to some sounds coming out of your pie hole, that usually reveals us as hypocrites more than anything else i guess

Don't you believe in the "death-bed confession?" Is anything too hard for God? It is said, "there is no sinner in the fox-hole."

we are now discussing the Cult of Sol Invictus, the many that will be singing 'when we all get to heaven'
imo

 

[Helen]

btw you believe you're going to heaven after you die, right?

I know that this is one of your 'pet' ones.

But I wonder how you see it? Or if we are close together on this one..
I don't believe that we 'go' anywhere...as you often quote..."the kingdom is within"....I too believe that the 'middle wall' that separates us from seeing and 'being in' heaven will be removed.
No flying away to some place far away....but just a different realm.
"Heaven" is right here...just out of sight...
I believe Adam was there...until it says- " and their eyes were opened". ...opened to THIS realm and cut off from God's realm.
And that is what we inherited.

Or something like that... :)

 

[Jun2u]

Unfortunately, you and many others choose to ignore and/or reject the dire warnings about the wages of sin is death, etc. that God has placed in the NT.

Please read the preceding post addressed to CoreIssue.

Perhaps, it's time to list them again!

No need! James says if anyone commits one sin he is guilty of All.

BTW, are you an ignorer or a rejecter/rejector?

You can call me anything whatever pleases you.

To God Be The Glory