"Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Faith" - Has 500 Years Taught Us Nothing?

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GodsGrace

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i dunno, is she no longer autistic?
i'm mildly autistic i guess, Asperger's, so i'm curious what treatment she was given?

plus now imo we have changed the subject, to congenital defects

um well, if the normal guy did not have a stroke i would have to say him! :)
and if the normal guy did have a stroke i would say neither one!

bc you will never find someone eating omega3 in the right ratio having strokes imo
I take Omega 3, what's the right ratio?
I think I take 4,000 mg a day. I can't figure it out right now. No. Maybe it's 2,000.

My granddaughter is not healed from autism. You think there's a cure? Not yet anyway. We got her private therapy and a private Psychiatrist. The govt one would have made her just die. She takes different pills that help a lot. She's off the mood stabilizer because she doesn't need it anymore...she controls herself better. She's not so bad...she's on the spectrum. I know about asperger's too.
She's worse. She'll never be able to work or interact socially with others unless she really knows them.

Regarding the two guys with the stroke.
Kirk Douglas fared better. He had round the clock private nurses and could afford any prescription medicine.

No doubt about it...
 

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The wicked all go to hell. I think they probably experience the end of the universe on the way to hell.
Funny! Yes. I agree. But then the question comes up as to why they need to be at the Great White Throne Judgement.

Personally, I believe we're judged at death and that's it.
(Gosh I dislike Revelation).
 
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Funny! Yes. I agree. But then the question comes up as to why they need to be at the Great White Throne Judgement.

Personally, I believe we're judged at death and that's it.
(Gosh I dislike Revelation).
I suppose to make their condemnation match the sin.
 

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I suppose to make their condemnation match the sin.
How does their appearing a second time for judgement make the condemnation match the sin?

I'm sorry but I'm so ignorant of this subject.
If a person is destined for the hot place and they get judged immediately upon death as Paul taught, and Jesus, then why judge them again at this White Throne Judgement place that I don't even agree with....but most Protestants do.
 

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Funny! Yes. I agree. But then the question comes up as to why they need to be at the Great White Throne Judgement.

Personally, I believe we're judged at death and that's it.
(Gosh I dislike Revelation).
trust me no one is going to any hell, and if you don't trust me trust the Bible, it is not in There anywhere
ps, who do you think is going to judge you at the Great White Throne dealy?
Ask Dave that, see what he says :)

when the Rev is read from the context in which it was intended it all clarifies imo, and as soon as you hear someone relating the Rev to literal events you have all the signal you need
to run, iow
 
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How does their appearing a second time for judgement make the condemnation match the sin?

I'm sorry but I'm so ignorant of this subject.
If a person is destined for the hot place and they get judged immediately upon death as Paul taught, and Jesus, then why judge them again at this White Throne Judgement place that I don't even agree with....but most Protestants do.
I don't know. Maybe the great white throne judgement symbolizes the end of the world. I believe all happens at once in the moments leading into the end of the world. But are given sequentially for the sake of detail.
 
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trust me no one is going to any hell, and if you don't trust me trust the Bible, it is not in There anywhere
ps, who do you think is going to judge you at the Great White Throne dealy?
Ask Dave that, see what he says :)

when the Rev is read from the context in which it was intended it all clarifies imo, and as soon as you hear someone relating the Rev to literal events you have all the signal you need
to run, iow
Don't need to run from Revelation --- I just don't go there!
I'm told I'm missing a lot. We'll never know!

As to hell, the word hell appears only one time in 2 Peter
BUT
the concept of hell is there. Jesus spoke about it.
Weeping and gnashing of teeth....
Burned like branches...
Condemned...

Hell is where God is not.
HOW it will be, I don't think we can really know.
 

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Physical kingdom = add to Revelation. Spiritual kingdom as taught by Jesus = not adding to Revelation

So "the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms or our God" is a reference to spiritual kingdoms then, correct?
How many spiritual kingdoms do you think there will be?
 

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You need to calm right down and shut up. You are the most offensive unlikable unsociable person I have met. You meet all the criteria of a good Catholic, but fail all the criteria of being a reasonable human being.
ONE more time:
When YOU guys stop lying, I'll disappear.

It's THAT simple - so try to exercise some self-control . . .
 

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And his arguments are just plain STUPID. For instance, Dead Bread justifies the Eucharist because "Christ sacrifice is eternal".

Yes, it is eternal...in its result, NOT ITS PROCESS. I'm truly astonished at how ignorant Dead Bread is.
And NOBODY said the process was eternal, Einstein.
 

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I've given BoL a few likes.
I must say that I don't care for his attitude...it's not very Christianly.
And many of YOUR posts have been downright dishonest.
You're just angry that I've had to put you in your place frim time to time . . .
 

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WRONG.

You equated the two words. i showed you that they are different.
What two words? I was discussing one word...BELIEVE.
The following is what I posted in no. 181:

I believe there's only one place in the N.T. that believe is used to mean believe the way we use it today....mental assent.

In N.T. times and in Greek, believe, at that time, means to entrust, have faith in...etc.
This can be confirmed by checking out the Greek,,,
We always forget that the language that was used cannot be translated word for word or even 100% correctly, and that the culture was different and they spoke and meant differently than today.

We forget this at times. (not you).


Which TWO words do you think I'm equating???
 

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And many of YOUR posts have been downright dishonest.
You're just angry that I've had to put you in your place frim time to time . . .
You accuse persons of serious behavior.
How about finding and posting one of those DISHONEST posts I made.
It would be nice.
 
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What two words? I was discussing one word...BELIEVE.
The following is what I posted in no. 181:

I believe there's only one place in the N.T. that believe is used to mean believe the way we use it today....mental assent.

In N.T. times and in Greek, believe, at that time, means to entrust, have
faith in...etc.
This can be confirmed by checking out the Greek,,,
We always forget that the language that was used cannot be translated word for word or even 100% correctly, and that the culture was different and they spoke and meant differently than today.

We forget this at times. (not you).


Which TWO words do you think I'm equating???
Believe and FAITH.
You equated the two words.