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So you are saying that you think they are one in purpose but not the same Spirit, the same Lord, and the same God?For me, "substance" doesn't come into play because... frankly I just don't find it in the Bible.
Unity comes into play because it's all over the Bible-- God constantly commanding peoples to be one. It's especially highlighted during the Intercessory Prayer, when Christ prays that His follows be one, even as He and the Father are one (see John 17).
ONE God, three different persons, one via unity.So you are saying that you think they are one in purpose but not the same Spirit, the same Lord, and the same God?
That is simply an argument, that is refuted by 1 Peter 3:20-21. My understanding is that Jesus applies the blood when we go under the water in His name (confessing Him before men). Going forward in church or in a Crusade is too anonymous impaho, unless you just begin to serve the Lord from there on in and end up confessing Him that way by publicly proclaiming His message.I strongly disagree with you. Romans 8 says, If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. When we were born again, this was spiritual, not physical. And it's the blood of Christ by faith through the eternal Spirit (Hebrews 9) that purges sins, not the baptismal tank.
What kind of unity? How are they unified? I need you to describe more clearly what you are saying.ONE God, three different persons, via unity.
Only God can do that. The pharisees didn't perceive the tri-une nature of God either.enlighten me.
The Father's love is the exact same love the Son has.What kind of unity? How are they unified? I need you to describe more clearly what you are saying.
The term "Lord" is rightly applied to the Father, as well as the Son, as well as the Holy Spirit, since God (the triune Godhead) is also Lord.
It doesn't matter about substance (hypostasis) ...Jesus was the express image of God's substance (hypostasis)
So what's wrong with learning something new about Jesus from Scripture?It doesn't matter about substance (hypostasis) ...
because it's all about ...
Jesus representing Father God on earth
(if you've seen Me, you've seen Him)
until He left and "another" took His place,
who was the precious Holy Spirit.
"another" (Gr: allos) means "another of the same kind".
Just like Jesus was another of the same kind as the Father.
The foundation of your understanding needs to be that the Father is God (James 3:9, Romans 15:6, 1 Corinthians 8:6). And that there is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4).
Therefore what is the logical conclusion when you look at Hebrews 1:8-9?
Isaiah 9:6 says to me clearly that the Father becomes the Son out of eternity.
How is it that you don't think I was declaring the Triune nature of God? I thought I made it clear that the post was proof of the Trinity.Only God can do that. The pharisees didn't perceive the tri-une nature of God either.
There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21).The term "Lord" is rightly applied to the Father, as well as the Son, as well as the Holy Spirit, since God (the triune Godhead) is also Lord.
But after the resurrection of Christ, Jesus is called "the LORD Jesus Christ" since God the Father has made Him both Lord and Christ, in view of the resurrection.
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God [the Father] hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)
But this in no way detracts from the fact that the Father is the Lord God Almighty, and the Holy Spirit is also Lord.
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. (2 Cor 3:17)
So you're saying they are one in purpose and are all three exactly alike. Unfortunately, what you have there is not the Trinity but Tritheism.The Father's love is the exact same love the Son has.
To follow the Spirit is to follow the Son (cause they're going to tell you the exact same thing).
The Father's will is the exact same will the Son has.
To honor the Son is to simultaneously honor the Spirit and the Father.
The mercy of the Son is the exact mercy that the Father has.
The justice that the Father has is the exact justice the Son has.
Etc.
Three different persons, but the same perfect & unified will, character, etc. They are ONE-- 100% unified in all those things.
Tritheism would be if you could pick one of three Gods or something like that-- which I don't believe that at all. It's literally impossible to honor the Father without honoring the Son, etc. They are ONE.So you're saying they are one in purpose and are all three exactly alike. Unfortunately, what you have there is not the Trinity but Tritheism.
LOGICAL "conclusion" ?
Where is there ROOM IN Scripture for LOGICAL "conclusions" ?
Tritheism would be if you could pick one of three Gods or something like that-- which I don't believe that at all. It's literally impossible to honor the Father without honoring the Son, etc. They are ONE.
I said ONE God. Three persons, ONE God.Tritheism is believing in three Gods; it can be your theology even if you don't pick one out of the three. If you worship all three then you still have three Gods. The true Trinity has the reality in it that there is one God. And He is the same Spirit, the same Lord, and the same God.
I respect your belief there.In order for the Trinity to be a reality, God would have to be One Person and yet also Three. Because we have a Personal God and therefore our one God is a Person. God is a Spirit (John 4:24). And there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).
To me it is very simple; but I don't think you are ready for the truth so I will refrain right now from continuing; except to say that the hypostatic union is a key doctrine for you to understand.