justbyfaith
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There were technical difficulties in post #170 that I believe I have now fixed.You did NOT reply to post #162.
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There were technical difficulties in post #170 that I believe I have now fixed.You did NOT reply to post #162.
Water Baptism in Jesus' name has the power to save a man as a confession of Jesus Christ before men (see Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8); and is a more potent confession of Him because you are identifying with Him not only with your mouth but in identification with His death, burial, and resurrection. I have been baptized in water (I say this in your response to your statement that I can do it if I want to); and I feel that the fact that I have received Acts 2:38 baptism has resulted in a greater boldness in my faith.It is my belief that John the Baptist himself understood his own ministry....and revealed it to others....who wrote about it and is available for other men to read.
Mark 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize youwith the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Water baptism is a outward symbol of a mans inward acceptance of Death, Buriel and Ressurection by and of the Belief in God, the Power of God and Word of God.
Baptism of the Holy Spirit makes a man WHOLE and SAVES that WHOLE man, body, soul, spirit...to be forever with the Lord God.
If you feel the need to be Baptized with Water, go ahead. No one objects.
However you should know, the Church that performs such Water Baptism, is YOU agreeing WITH "THAT" Churches Doctrine, and further "MAKES" you a member of that Church and and IN AGREEMENT with ALL of IT'S Doctrine.
Glory to God,
Taken
Water baptism does not Save a man.
I would not speak against you having the understanding of a child, which is true. But your wicked attitude is not that of a child, and therefore the measure of grace afforded you, according to His word, will be equal.We Christians believe that God spoke and the entire universe leapt into existence.
Turning a piece of bread into His flesh is a relatively small miracle by comparison.
YOUR lack of faith is pathetic . . .
Santa Claus was a 4th Century saint who may have been an overcomer as one designated Ephesus in the book of Revelation.I would not speak against you having the understanding of a child, which is true. But your wicked attitude is not that of a child, and therefore the measure of grace afforded you, according to His word, will be equal.
Nonetheless, the use of parable language by God should have taught you that much, if not most, of what He has said is only in the "likeness" and the "image" of what is actually true. Which, apparently, you have not learned.
Perhaps it would help if we start with the truth about Santa Claus.
Ye we dont want anyone else to be saved but ourselves....
Not quite.This is where the understanding of “literal” and “spiritual” understanding comes in.
I don’t believe Jesus meant to eat of His body literally. That would be Cannibalism and therefore He is teaching that we can murder.
What I believe Jesus is teaching us here is that we are to partake/eat of Him because He is the BREAD that came down from heaven. In other words, we don’t eat of Him literally rather by what He brings and that was the true Gospel!
To God Be The Glory
TRANSLATION:I would not speak against you having the understanding of a child, which is true. But your wicked attitude is not that of a child, and therefore the measure of grace afforded you, according to His word, will be equal.
Nonetheless, the use of parable language by God should have taught you that much, if not most, of what He has said is only in the "likeness" and the "image" of what is actually true. Which, apparently, you have not learned.
Perhaps it would help if we start with the truth about Santa Claus.
Maybe that's it...you're "translating."TRANSLATION:
“Sure - I doubt God’s ability to transform bread and wine into His Body and Blood – but I’m STILL a ‘faithful’ follower!”.
You can’t have it BOTH ways my hypocritical friend . . .
Water Baptism in Jesus' name has the power to save a man as a confession of Jesus Christ before men (see Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8); and is a more potent confession of Him because you are identifying with Him not only with your mouth but in identification with His death, burial, and resurrection. I have been baptized in water (I say this in your response to your statement that I can do it if I want to); and I feel that the fact that I have received Acts 2:38 baptism has resulted in a greater boldness in my faith.
Also, if being baptized in Jesus' name automatically brings me into agreement with the Oneness Pentecostals, then that seems to me to be a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit, since I did not continue with them to be indoctrinated by them after receiving baptism from them. How does one magically agree with the doctrine a church merely from being baptized by them? Of course, it does say that being baptized in a certain way will result in being filled with the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38)...so maybe that is the reason.
I think that 1 Peter 3:20-21 and Acts of the Apostles 22:16 teach to the contrary along with a plethora of other verses.
That a man can be saved apart from water baptism, I am not contending against. What I am saying is that water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins is a useful point of contact by which a person can obtain absolute assurance of salvation if all of the elements required are present. If anyone has assurance issues, receiving this sacrament according to Acts 2:38-39 can and will resolve them. If you did not know that you were saved before being baptized, you will know that you know that you know afterwards; because in fulfilling the condition, the promise is absolute as indicated by the word, "shall" in Acts of the Apostles 2:38.
Let's try again with a different emphasis, so that you can see that your first statement in bold is a falsehood:
1 Peter 3:20-21
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The salvation that is wrought does not remove the filth of the flesh, but it does wash away sins, Acts of the Apostles 22:16.
And also it is a confession of Jesus Christ before men (see Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8) that will motivate the Lord to confess the one baptized before the Father and before the angels of God.
Can a person be saved apart from baptism? You bet. There is an absolute promise of salvation in Romans 10:8-13. Notice that this passage requires that we confess the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that He is risen from the dead. I believe that being baptized has the effect of producing this kind of faith in a person's heart if they are not sure that they have it. And calling on the name of the Lord also means confessing with the mouth; but I would not recommend for anyone to do this anonymously (see Matthew 13:20-21 (kjv), Luke 8:13) or without a sure faith in their hearts (as they may be fooling themselves if the faith is not there unto righteousness, Romans 10:10).
WRONG.
I won’t go into ALL of the perversion of your statement that “NOTHING” Jesus taught pertains to Gentiles – but your understanding of Baptism is WAY off.
When there are Scriptures to support a doctrine, there should be no concern. *Water* is clearly a metaphor for the Word of God (as it is also for the Holy Spirit in context). (words capitalized where necessary)Also, concerning being born of water--you are taking an awful chance based on whether you have the right interpretation
When the people start grumbling – Jesus doesn’t tell them that He is speaking “figuratively".
Great chapter, chapter 6 of John. Very searching.Actually He did...John 6:63.
And BTW, Noah was not dipped in Water.
Surely you must remember the Thief (hanging next to Jesus,) who became saved, but missed being "baptized" in Water.
How could that be, IF Water baptism is required?
When there are Scriptures to support a doctrine, there should be no concern. *Water* is clearly a metaphor for the Word of God (as it is also for the Holy Spirit in context). (words capitalized where necessary)
Ahhhhh, yes - "Hearing" the Spirit".Maybe that's it...you're "translating."
No, faith is "following", not translating with your own understanding in worldly terms. And there is also "hearing" what the spirit says...which obviously, you are not doing but only referring to part of what is written, and therefore have drawn the wrong conclusion.
But then there is also the issue of just being foolish...as if the other He were also a real "lamb", and "manna" (good one day only), etc.. ("You can’t have it BOTH ways my hypocritical friend . . .")
Ahhhhh - another ignorant "Catholic doomsday" predictor.I didn't say that nothing Jesus taught pertained to Gentiles. I said that nothing Christ commanded or directed to those Jews He ministered to in His earthly ministry had ANYTHING to do with Gentiles today. I stand by that. The reason you didn't get into it is because you're incapable, mainly because you don't obey 2Tim 2:15 and rightly divide what's for Israel and what's for Gentiles. If you want to prove me wrong, find a passage in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles, the only books in the Bible that are written TO and ABOUT Gentiles who are not part of Israel, that says any commandments in the Gospels (Except for Christ, himself, and His sacrifice) are TO or ABOUT us today. You've spent your life believing 100% Israel things that you'll NEVER, EVER get.
Catholicism has about 45 years left and then, when the real Israel is back on the scene, Catholicism, i.e., fake Judaism, will disappear in an instant. Good riddance. Maybe you will be allowed to become a Jew like you've always dreamed of and practiced being. If Israel had not been set aside and had not ceased to be a nation, in God's eyes, about 64AD, it would have been impossible for the Catholic church to have existed.
Christ selected Paul to be the (only) Apostle to the Gentiles. Christ tutored Paul, starting on the Damascus Road. Throughout his ministry, Paul, alone, received many special revelations directly from Jesus Christ. Every word Paul said or wrote was God-breathed directly from Jesus Christ. Therefore, when you read Paul, you're reading Jesus Christ. The difference is that what Paul says applies to you and me, whereas, nothing Christ said in the 100% Israel Gospels is TO or ABOUT you, me, or anyone living today.
No...I mean "“He who has an ear, let him hear" -Jesus.Ahhhhh, yes - "Hearing" the Spirit".
You mean like the founders of the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects who ALL teach conflicting doctrines based on what they supposedly "heard" the Spirit tell them??
God is NOT the Author of Protestant confusion - MEN are . . .
I believe that the ark did indeed go under water
and only began to float after the water levels rose above its head.
#1, I do not say that water baptism is "required".
In the last days men will turn aside from the faith and pay attention to doctrines of devils; certain destructive heresies will be introduced into the doctrine of the church. And I do not see how they would be successful if those doctrines were not somehow substantiated by some kind of perverted interpreting of the word of God...but it precludes that the doctrines of devils in question can be found in the word of the Lord.
This is why the Holy Spirit is needed; and also a reason why, when listening to teachers of the Bible, we need to make sure that they are the kind that bear the fruit of the Spirit...for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks...and therefore if the heart is good, good will come out of it....but if it is bad, bad will come out of it.