Limited Atonement VS Universal Atonement

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BreadOfLife

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Saved in the sense that God (even Christ...Colossians 1:27) dwells in their heart
As long as you don't add the man-made fallacy of OSAS to that . . .
I don't feel the need to argue any further...I've been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins myself.
Well, YOU are the one who was defending it . . .
 

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As long as you don't add the man-made fallacy of OSAS to that . . .

It is found in John 5:24 (kjv), John 6:47 (kjv), John 10:27-30 (kjv), Hebrews 13:5-6 (kjv), and in Matthew 28:20 (kjv)

Well, YOU are the one who was defending it . . .

To me it is not an essential issue, however. I most certainly believe that if someone is baptized in Jesus' name, their salvation is absolutely assured. However, I believe also that salvation is absolutely assured to those who merely call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth for salvation. If you want power for ministry, you should definitely get baptized in Jesus' name: for the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who do so: and this is not only the reality of salvation but of power for ministry.
 

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It is found in John 5:24 (kjv), John 6:47 (kjv), John 10:27-30 (kjv), Hebrews 13:5-6 (kjv), and in Matthew 28:20 (kjv)
NONE of these verses supports the false, man-made invention of OSAS.
EVERY one of them is contingent on our perseverance - one whether or not we REMAIN faithful.
To me it is not an essential issue, however. I most certainly believe that if someone is baptized in Jesus' name, their salvation is absolutely assured. However, I believe also that salvation is absolutely assured to those who merely call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth for salvation. If you want power for ministry, you should definitely get baptized in Jesus' name: for the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who do so: and this is not only the reality of salvation but of power for ministry.
Jesus Himself said explicitly that we must be baptized in the TRINITARIAN formula - in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19).

And once again - the Bible does NOT guarantee salvation - UNLESS we REMAIN faithful to the end.
 
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And NOWHERE it eh text does He mention “Spiritual” Water.
YOU are adding to Scripture what is NOT there.

As I showed you before – just TWO chapters earlier, we see the Baptism of Jesus – with H2O and the Holy Spirit. Right AFTER His conversation with Nicodemus – we see Jesus and the Apostles Baptizing with H2O.

Deal with that . . .

Well, no I mean, becoming born again is spiritual Bread. Again, H2O baptism is an outward revealing of faith that is already inward. It's to show your faith to your friends and family (like a respectful thing). Jesus already had the Holy Spirit in Him because He was God.
 

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Well, no I mean, becoming born again is spiritual Bread. Again, H2O baptism is an outward revealing of faith that is already inward. It's to show your faith to your friends and family (like a respectful thing). Jesus already had the Holy Spirit in Him because He was God.
It''s cooperation with God's grace - and it's MANDATORY (MARK 16:16, John 3:5).
It's not simply an after thought . . .
 

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and we cooperate out of thankfulness to the cross, not to save yourself
No - our cooperation is an essential element of our faith.
Without it, we have NO faith.(James 2:14-26).
 

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No - our cooperation is an essential element of our faith.
Without it, we have NO faith.(James 2:14-26).

Contradiction?, or maybe.... youtube(dot)com/watch?v=O9PiAfb9PNM

James 2:24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

Gal 2:16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
 

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NONE of these verses supports the false, man-made invention of OSAS.
EVERY one of them is contingent on our perseverance - one whether or not we REMAIN faithful.

If you say so...

Jesus Himself said explicitly that we must be baptized in the TRINITARIAN formula - in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19).

So Peter was being disobedient in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39?
 

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Well than there is no hope for mankind.....

I suppose BOL seems that we have to DO something to EARN our salvation...please. We need to BE not DO. The DOING flows FROM being. If ANYTHING one DOES, is NOT through the Spirit and from our hearts it is WORKS!!! And, we know how God feels about that.
Yes indeed...no hope for mankind as, there is not a one who does not sin. Christians learn more and more to sin LESS and LESS but will not ever be sinless in these bodies...we fail, we fall, we get angry, we can have unkind thoughts, we can be selfish, we can be greedy, we can curse, lie, on and on and on...roll through a stop sign ever? Hmm, breaking the law and God says we are to follow the laws of this world. Gosh, there is so much more that is considered sin. And, if a Christian lives IN these things thinking that God just kind of "winks" at them (and-He doesn't) One might just have to question their sincerity in their proclaimed faith. A "Christian" who has no conscience in doing these things because they think that God's grace will give them a pass then IMHO-they are not a Christian. I know, it is not for me to judge! Only God knows the true intents of our hearts! Yet-do we not know them by their fruits? NOT works but, fruits.
Now, to stick to the OP, lol - IMHO, God created humans for fellowship, not forced but...chosen, why would our Great Creator God The Father even HAVE to force/compel one, without giving them a choice to love Him for who He is? What kind of fellowship is that?? Robots.
 

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to produce godly righteousness, not to save yourself.......

and the definition of insanity is................... :rolleyes:
That' not what the Bible teaches, As I have repeatedly shown you, your opinions do not trump Scripture.

What was that you said about insanity . . .
 

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If you say so...
No - the Bible says so.
So Peter was being disobedient in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39?
Nope – He was telling them to be baptized in the name of Christ.
NOWHERE did Peter tell them to be baptized ONLY in the name of Christ.

YOU are disobeying JESUS – who is God.
HE said to Baptized in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT (Matt. 28:19).

THIS is the Baptism of Christ . . .
 

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Contradiction?, or maybe.... youtube(dot)com/watch?v=O9PiAfb9PNM

James 2:24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

Gal 2:16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
"Works of the Law" refers to the MOSAIC LAW, Einstein.
We cannot be saved by works of the Law.

Our faith depends on our belief in God and our cooperation with His grace by completing works that HE prepared for us in ADVANCE.
 

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I'm not watching youtube videos.
If you can't articulate your points here - don't waste my time . . .

Contradiction?, it all about the crowd they speak to

James 2:24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

Gal 2:16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
 

BreadOfLife

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Contradiction?, it all about the crowd they speak to

James 2:24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

Gal 2:16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
Uhhhhh, no.

Truth is not relative. It does NOT depend on the “crowd” they speak to.
James and Paul are BOTH speaking the truth - from 2 different sides.

Paul is talking about the inefficacy of works of the MOSAIC LAW for salvation.
James is talking about the fact that works are PART of our faith as Christians.

Scripture is NEVER at odds with itself – YOUR moral relativism aside . . .