Thank you for answering.
when I look at all the references to
Michael,
Could you elaborate?
I find the NAME Michael mentioned 16 times in Scripture.
14 times, references a Person.
1 time, specifically, a particular type of angel, with authority, ie archangel.
1 time, specifically, in charge over other angels, (as his position of arch-angel), would dictate.
I found context to consider...
1) God created different "kinds" of celestial bodies.
2) Each "kind" of created celestial body, is grouped with its "same kind", called a "host".
Meaning for example, "ALL" things identified as an angel; are called a "host", particular to only angels.
All things created "celestial" bodies, called "stars"; are called a "host", particular to only stars.
(The same thing applies, to humans, being a "host", animals being a "host", plants being a "host"....of their particular "things")
3) Within the particular "hosts", are higherarchies. Which is to say, Some angels, are given "particular" appointed things to do, while others are not.
(The same applied to men. John the Baptist, Mary, Abraham, Samuel, Paul...for example were given particular things to do, that others, were Not particularly given TO do)
We can even see Particular things, applying to ONE type of Tree, Plants, and not others, even though, THEY are all the same "host" grouping.
4) Particular angels are appointed, higher positions, over other angels, to accomplish a particular service unto God.
I believe the archangel NAMED Michael, was appointed a higher position, that other angels, and yet all created angels are of the "same Host" of created things.
Then there is the matter, OF WHO, is the ONE, ABOVE and OVER, the ENTIRE creation of "hosts"?
The ONE, who has the Authority, to position, direct, reward, punish, give, withhold, take, authority TO the entire created "hosts"?
Scripture notifies us, THAT position and Authority, is vested in SOMEONE, called;
"The Lord of hosts."
In brief, Let's see what Scripture says;
Who the "hosts' ARE.
Who "The Lord of hosts" IS.
Gen 2
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1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the
host of them.
1 Cor 15
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39] All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
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40] There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
2 Samuel 7
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26] And let thy name be magnified for ever, saying, The
LORD of hosts is the God over Israel: and let the house of thy servant David be established before thee.
1Chr.17
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24] Let it even be established, that thy name may be magnified for ever, saying, The
LORD of hosts is the God of Israel, even a God to Israel: and let the house of David thy servant be established before thee.
Isa 1
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24] Therefore saith the
Lord, the LORD of Hosts, the mighty One of Israel...
If you believe, the Lord, and the LORD, are one in the SAME, One God....it is He who IS, the Authority OVER, ALL the "hosts" of created "kinds" of things.
I BELIEVE, the "Lord" is the Word of God, called, Jesus, called the Son of God, (among other things), and IS the SAME ONE God, called LORD, (among other things).
And IS the Lord, LORD God, OVER the ALL created "HOSTS"....not one of them, but the creator of them.
I Believe, the archangel called Michael, is PART of a "HOST" of created celestial bodies, called collectively..."angels".
My belief, is not based on what "makes sense", but rather, what Scripture reveals.
I do not particularly consider everything the Hebrews "thought" or "understood"....since Jesus PLAINLY revealed, many things WERE KEEP Secret From the Hebrews "knowledge" and "understanding".
as well as the Hebrew thoughts toward Michael and Messiah, it simply makes sense.
You are sharing your conclusion, but I am more interested in the evidence that brought you to such conclusion. You indicated you examined all the evidence, pertaining to Michael and the Messiah, but didn't reveal such evidence.
I see Michael, the "angel" specifically mentioned twice in Scripture...and the term Messiah, specifically mentioned twice in Scripture and neither Mentioned in the Same verses or Chapters or Books.
Thus, your "all" review of the "evidence" appears pretty meager to me.
There is no real reason why it should not be so.
Disagree.
Nor is there any reason to set in concrete any inference that because Michael is an archangel, he must of necessity be a created being.
Disagree.
Michaels position as an angel, is clearly revealed, He is given authority over directing other angels.
Scripture teaches there are created "hosts", and thee absolute power over the "hosts", regardless of the power "given them"; is thee Lord God.
Also, we have revelation of thee Lord Gods, OWN Word, OWN Authority, that is likened to a TWO EDGED Sword, which is HIS Word is absolute Higher POWER over ALL things, ALL of His created "hosts", that can CUT BOTH WAYS.
Nothing, not one created "host" HAS power, except what Thee Lord God has given a "host", and with Thee Lord Gods (Word,Sword), He can CUT a "host's" given power, AWAY from that "host".
It is revealing... Michael, thee holy angel, has and will battle against unholy angels....but it is the Lord of Hosts, whose Word shall depart, out of the unholy angels, Power that was given them.
As the second link above relates, many times the Son of God was called an angel.
Sure. He at times APPREARED "as" an angel, and also APPEARED "as" a man.
You can see a parallel....a man could "APPEAR" to you, dressed, talking, looking, acting like a WOMAN, and you may even call "him" a "woman", not knowing it was a "man". Would you calling him a woman, "MAKE" him a "woman"? No.
No more than calling Jesus a man, MAKES him a created human.
--- sons of God, ARE called "sons of God" because and only, Because they are "FAITHFUL" to ONLY, thee Lord God Almighty,
All the host of angels were created "holy", and called "sons of God". Some fell away, became "unholy", lost their "first estate", Heaven, and lost their "prestigious" title, to be included as "sons of God".
Jesus was given the title "Son of God".
His title (captial S), is distinguished from ALL others titled "sons of God".
Because Jesus, is the ONLY, one titled Son of God, because Jesus, the Word of God, came forth OUT of God. All others, called "son of God", DID NOT come forth out of God...they were "spoken" into existance. And came into existance BY Gods Word, and THROUGH Gods Power.
The word simply means messenger .
An "angel" IS a messenger. A part of a "host" that IS celestial, IS spirit. A spirit could be standing next to you, and you would not SEE it. However IF that angel, took upon him the Likeness of a man, or a woman, or an animal, YOU would see those things, and call those things, by what you know to CALL them...ie a man, a woman, an animal.
And Angels DO have the "power, given them of God" TO appear in the "likeness" of things, men can see and recognize.
If one KNOWS the Word of God, they should recognize, standing next to anything, however it appears, IF it is good or evil, be it of a terrestrial "host" or celestrial "host", appearing as a "terrestrial".
Men WHO DO NOT KNOW the Word of God, may be "fooled". Eve was fooled. She looked upon an Evil spirit, appearing as a serpent, and KEPT her attention on that serpent, conversing with it, and WHAT Happened, is All or a sudden, SHE said aside what the Word of God said, and was convinced, to do what the Serpent suggested, as it make sense to Her, to BE LIKE GOD, according to HOW the Serpent told her, instead of learning more from God, on He would direct her to BE LIKE God.
Everyone has a "learning" period to time.
We are all naturally born Against God. We have to Learn ABOUT Him, Learn what He teaches, Before we can KNOW the difference of what is Gods direction/way, and not be fooled by AN OTHERS direction/way.
Let us not automatically assume all messengers are created brings... That is where the JWs come unstuck.
All "messengers" are NOT created. Thee Lord God is the "ultimate" messenger, who absolutely is NOT created.
But ALSO to not assume, Thee Lord God IS one of His "created" hosts, who ARE also His messengers, which appears as you are teaching.
You mentioned your evidence, but didn't reveal any such evidence....and thus if you would like to elaborate, just as I have given my claim and reasoning according to Scripture...I would be willing to hear the same from you.
God Bless,
Merry Christmas,
Taken
