Can Jesus and Paul be reconciled on the LAW?

[Phoneman777]

Yes, grace is the power of God given to us to cause us to obey. Smart lady.

He doesn't "cause" us to do anything...we simply allow Him to "do of His good pleasure" in us after we respond with "not my will but Thy will" to His efforts to "will" (give us the desire) in us of His good pleasure.

 

[Phoneman777]

LOVE IT!!

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You're making me blush with all these likes LOL

 

[Danube]

Revelation 2:2

“I know all the things you do. I have seen your hard work and your patient endurance. I know you don’t tolerate evil people. You have examined the claims of those who say they are apostles but are not. You have discovered they are liars. 3 You have patiently suffered for me without quitting.

 

[mjrhealth]

Revelation 2:2

“I know all the things you do. I have seen your hard work and your patient endurance. I know you don’t tolerate evil people. You have examined the claims of those who say they are apostles but are not. You have discovered they are liars. 3 You have patiently suffered for me without quitting.

Yes if you dont like Pauls Gospel of Grace given Him by Christ, than you like so many can go die in the law and your flesh. You reject that which is given to men by Christ than you reject Christ. Paul was sent to us gentile to preach the Gospel, of grace there, if you dont want it there is no other for you.

 

[Danube]

Yes if you dont like Pauls Gospel of Grace given Him by Christ, than you like so many can go die in the law and your flesh. You reject that which is given to men by Christ than you reject Christ. Paul was sent to us gentile to preach the Gospel, of grace there, if you dont want it there is no other for you.

I am still waiting for proof that this spirit of grace religion of Pauls was at all from Jesus, that is because Jesus warns you that Pharisees are hypocrites AND liars!
But since you are deaf and blind to the good Shepherd' warnings you may as well die in your sin and ignorance of Gods love for you.
The Kingdom is at hand (present time) I still pray you find your way home to the Father in heaven and not led away in chains by the Father of all lies!


Romans 3:7 "If the truth of God is being spread by my lie ....

Colossians 3:9 "Do not lie to one another ...."

Whoops....

Jesus is not lying when he says Pharisees are hypocrites and children of Hell!

Be warned.

 

[Helen]

Yes if you dont like Pauls Gospel of Grace given Him by Christ, than you like so many can go die in the law and your flesh. You reject that which is given to men by Christ than you reject Christ. Paul was sent to us gentile to preach the Gospel, of grace there, if you dont want it there is no other for you.

Sadly it seems that this thread will come to no positive conclusion.

It amazes me that God has been well able to Keep His Word, from the beginning of time..through the dark ages, through attempts to destroy it and have it banned. Yet, whoops ..God got it all wrong, by allowing a mistake for all of Paul's writing to stand within the word...next to the gospels! Tut tut... What a clever boy Paul was to be able to hoodwink God!!

 

[Danube]

I thank you my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for helping me understand.
Thank you for giving me the patience and endurance to face my accusers today.

 

[mjrhealth]

I thank you my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for helping me understand.
Thank you for giving me the patience and endurance to face my accusers today.

You have called Paul,a man called of God, a liar, and a devil, so you have by your own words made accusations about God and Jesus, calling them both Liars and deceivers.

Be careful the words you speak,

 

[Danube]

You have called Paul,a man called of God, a liar, and a devil, so you have by your own words made accusations about God and Jesus, calling them both Liars and deceivers.

Be careful the words you speak,

Looks like your not so sure.

I myself quoted Pauls own words...

Romans 3:7 "If the truth of God is being spread by my lie ....


Jesus? He calls Pharisees liars, Children of Hell, Hypocrites....

Jesus is my Shepherd NOT Paul the Pharisee (or is it Saul the murderer?)

 

[Ezra]

You missed my point. By asking what Paul brought to the table which you said the word of God is complete, it leaves the question of what did Paul actually achieve for salvation that Jesus' had not already during his ministry and after he was risen? Paul does not say " no one comes to the father but through me" so 3/4 of the NT written by him seems alot just to say " yup I agree with Jesus....follow him for he went that way...."

read the book of acts from his conversion on jailed horsewhipped stoned left for dead shipwrecked .do you actually think he done this of his own doings? willie is correct you and the Good Lord will have work this out.. paul reasoned with felix in acts 24 with righteousness temperance and the judgment to come. felix said at a more convenient season/ time i will hear you again.. nothing shows that time ever came . maybe you can relate . your looking for the wrong answer

 

[Ezra]

Looks like your not so sure.

I myself quoted Pauls own words...

Romans 3:7 "If the truth of God is being spread by my lie ....


Jesus? He calls Pharisees liars, Children of Hell, Hypocrites....

Jesus is my Shepherd NOT Paul the Pharisee (or is it Saul the murderer?)

pardon my bluntness but your speaking out of foolishness

 

[mjrhealth]

Looks like your not so sure.

I myself quoted Pauls own words...

Romans 3:7 "If the truth of God is being spread by my lie ....


Jesus? He calls Pharisees liars, Children of Hell, Hypocrites....

Jesus is my Shepherd NOT Paul the Pharisee (or is it Saul the murderer?)

If Jesus was you Shepherd than the words of Paul would ring true in your ears.

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

you missed a bit....

 

[Danube]

If Jesus was you Shepherd than the words of Paul would ring true in your ears.

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

you missed a bit....

I digress...

Paul wrote Romans.

He can say what he wants, because he has a circular reasoning.
He makes himself the 13th apostle, after murdering Christians he tells you he had a conversion which demands 100% BLIND FAITH on the readers part that it actually happened, he uses his own testimony to prove it happened (as he has no witness testimony), once he has the readers trust he admits he is a Pharisee growing in Christ (yeast makes bread rise and become all puffed up), he lies (so a liar), tells others not to lie (a hypocrite) and Jesus, John, James, Timothy....All give apparent warnings that clearly point to: a liar, a pharisee, a wolf etc
And people will still not even question it.

 

[mjrhealth]

He can say what he wants, because he has a circular reasoning.
He makes himself the 13th apostle, after murdering Christians he tells you he had a conversion which demands 100% BLIND FAITH on the readers part that it actually happened, he uses his own testimony to prove it happened (as he has no witness testimony), once he has the readers trust he admits he is a Pharisee growing in Christ (yeast makes bread rise and become all puffed up), he lies (so a liar), tells others not to lie (a hypocrite) and Jesus, John, James, Timothy....All give apparent warnings that clearly point to: a liar, a pharisee, a wolf etc
And people will still not even question it.

Out of all of them, by Christ Paul was the most qualified to preach the gospel to the gentiles, because he was blind, but Christ opened his eyes so that he could see, whats it say

Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

so you disagree with Paul you disagree with Christ, Jesus made Paul one of His, you reject Him you reject Christ.

Luk_10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

really isnt hard.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Last time I checked @Phoneman777 was not...but, I live in hope!!

I don't like the word universalist....but I do stand in believing in UR

Acts 3:21 "Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began."

What is UR?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

He doesn't "cause" us to do anything...we simply allow Him to "do of His good pleasure" in us after we respond with "not my will but Thy will" to His efforts to "will" (give us the desire) in us of His good pleasure.

1 John 3:9

 

[Phoneman777]

I am still waiting for proof that this spirit of grace religion of Pauls was at all from Jesus,

Post # 112 is all the proof you need, friend

 

[Phoneman777]

So you are a Universalist? Or a Calvinist?

Neither, just someone who believes that Jesus makes us righteous the moment we make Him Savior and King, but also when we surrender our will to God's will in the hour of temptation, He takes over and accomplishes for us the "works" that we are wholly incapable of performing ourselves, and then gives us credit for His righteousness.

The smart university people call that "imputed and imparted righteousness".

 

[Phoneman777]

Since Paul wrote over half of the New Testament, why would anyone be wary of Paul (unless they have a hidden agenda)?

Paul received his thoughts and words from God the Holy Spirit, and everything he wrote was based upon the teachings of Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ did not stop teaching after He ascended back to Heaven, but visited Paul several times to show him things which had not been formerly revealed.

There are many today who are making a huge effort to discredit Paul, claiming that his teachings are in conflict with those of Christ and the other apostles. THAT IS ABSOLUTE NONSENSE, as we learn from the apostle Peter, who placed all of Paul's epistles on the same level as the Old Testament Scriptures.

2 PETER 3
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Peter warns Christians to "beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked". That includes making light of Paul's epistles.

I missed this post, so I said the same thing in post 112. That's twice the opportunity for Danube to step correct regarding Paul's bona fides.

 

[Helen]

@Danube

Yes, a reminder of posts # 101 and a Reminder of post # 112
Make the all the case or 'proof' needed!

Both excellent and clear posts.