Real Christians Stand up and Condemn the LBGT, Transgender Abomination.

[mjrhealth]

I do not hate these. I will warn them. If you defend them you stand with them.

No hate here. The man blinded by their beatings did not hate them. Saying what the Bible says IS-NOT-HATE.

You have the LIBERTY to say I hate this or that but your rant is, without knowlege or basis. I would not dare to say that a person hates this or that without even knowing them. You speak harshly against a child of God while defending sodomites and lesbians and perverts. Who do you stand for.

The venom you spew is out of character for a Christian. To accuse a stranger of hate is a witless rant, not a judgement of wisdom.

OK... what does it say? No I'll not quote scriptures which will be cast aside.

Why do you come against those that say evil is evil. I won't respond to this, any more but wonder at your defense of these. I do not hate anyone but will speak AGAINST THEIR PRACTICES.

The soul that sins it shall die.

Because you look at the outside than condemn the lot. you have no idea why they are the way they are, should we than just not condemn religion for it is evil in that it opposes God, wit hall those that are joined to it.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

So tell me why are people gay. please amuse us, I am sure God would like to know,

Job 40:6 Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 40:7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?
Job 40:9 Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?

can you see into a man and see what is wrong with Him, are you willing to contend with God.

Well, #1 God already knows why people are gay since he tells us why in the scriptures which he had written down for us. #2 You are perfectly capable of reading, as I previously said Romans 1:18-31 which is what God had written down for us tells us why people are gay, read it, and if you already have obviously you don't agree with it so why continue on with this. Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Willie T]

People are not "gay." They, rather, choose to be homosexual.

 

[mjrhealth]

People are not "gay." They, rather, choose to be homosexual.

People dont choose to be born with there hormones all screwed up just as people dont choose to be born blind, yes there are some who do make that choice, just as some christians choose to follow Christ and others prefer religion, yet they all still call themselves christians, where Christ would say otherwise.

 

[Willie T]

People dont choose to be born with there hormones all screwed up just as people dont choose to be born blind, yes there are some who do make that choice, just as some christians choose to follow Christ and others prefer religion, yet they all still call themselves christians, where Christ would say otherwise.

I can be sympathetic to a lot of excuses, but the LAST one is that phony plea of, "I was born this way."

 

[mjrhealth]

I can be sympathetic to a lot of excuses, but the LAST one is that phony plea of, "I was born this way."

Ye i guess you chose to be born a man.

So nice to be born perfect...

 

[Danube]

I guess we have no LAW to protect us from this kind of abomination?

To bad.

Trannies must be under Pauls grace too!

 

[mjrhealth]

I guess we have no LAW to protect us from this kind of abomination?

To bad.

Trannies must be under Pauls grace too!

Just as we dont have laws to protect the world from unbelievers.(christians).. and that is the greater abomination.

 

[Danube]

Just as we dont have laws to protect the world from unbelievers.(christians).. and that is the greater abomination.

Where on planet earth..

 

[mjrhealth]

I guess we have no LAW to protect us from this kind of abomination?

To bad.

Trannies must be under Pauls grace too!

As I said you have no idea what you are talking about, Christ didnt came to murder you by the law, He came to set you free, you where never under the law, unless you where a jew. but pointless discussion, there is enough of them on this topic as it is, all unbelief.

 

[Danube]

As I said you have no idea what you are talking about, Christ didnt came to murder you by the law, He came to set you free, you where never under the law, unless you where a jew. but pointless discussion, there is enough of them on this topic as it is, all unbelief.

I do have some idea.

To know Gods love for you and to show your love for him you have to have some understanding of cause and effect by your own and other peoples actions.
I believe the 10 Commandments are THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT.
If you do not share the same appreciation for how the law can and always will for any nation that keeps them, then you will be at the mercy of whatever law system is put in place, by those who we collectively cannot be bothered to defend EACHOTHER of. Currently, a rapist or a murderer who has forfeited their right to life by destroying someone elses needs you to work and offer a tribute (in the form of taxation) to keep them, which is a burden on a healthy society, proven by the numbers who choose to murder because of a lack of deterrence. Also the opportunity for that criminal to pursue the same action of behaviour is granted by everyone who does not oppose their fleeting sentence or release. This is not grace, it is called stupidity and flat out ignorance of cause and effect brought on by man believing he can govern himself, worse it makes Gods Law to none effect..
The newest contenders for you are the Noachide Laws or Sharia Law....neither will protect you, your family or the society you live in as a Christian.
I guess if enough people want Noachide or Sharia or there is no longer anyone to uphold the Law and to give safe passage to others who do/did then we should expect more of what we are seeing already?
I thought we all had a duty to maintain the society we live in as we have been COMMANDED to do so.

 

[mjrhealth]

I believe the 10 Commandments are THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT.

You are either a sinner under the law, which was never given to you,
or the righteousness of Christ by grace through faith

you cant be both it would make Christs righteousness worse than our flesh and make God a liar.

 

[OzSpen]

I do have some idea.

To know Gods love for you and to show your love for him you have to have some understanding of cause and effect by your own and other peoples actions.
I believe the 10 Commandments are THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT.
If you do not share the same appreciation for how the law can and always will for any nation that keeps them, then you will be at the mercy of whatever law system is put in place....

Danube,

For whom were the Ten Commandments written, according to Ex 20:1-17 (NIV). Ex 20:1-3 tells us:

And God spoke all these words:
2 ‘I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 ‘You shall have no other gods before me....​

The 10 Commandments were not given as the Law for every nation. It was for the nation brought out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery for the Israelites.

I hope this thread grapples with homosexuality as an 'abomination' as language used for the Israelites under the Old Covenant. For those covered by the New Covenant - Christian believers - these are 2 prominent instructions about homosexuality:

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.​

In God's kingdom, homosexuality is only one of a list of a number of sins/wrongs that prevents one from entering God's kingdom. Therefore, I suggest that homosexuality, since the passion and resurrection of Jesus and the emergence of the New Covenant, is placed as one of many wrongs. Let's not single it out more than other sexual immorality, idolatry, adultery, theft, greed, drunkenness, slandering, and swindling.

Could you imagine what would happen in the local church if we placed slandering on the same level of sinfulness as homosexuality? That's where 1 Cor 6 places it.

Others have discussed Rom 1.

Oz

 

[Danube]

You are either a sinner under the law, which was never given to you,
or the righteousness of Christ by grace through faith

you cant be both it would make Christs righteousness worse than our flesh and make God a liar.

Jesus tells us if we LOVE the father we will keep the father' Commands.
Commandments are thus a command (ie NON NEGOTIABLE) as a sign of your LOVE (in obedience). Do you consider he to be your father?

 

[Danube]

Danube,

For whom were the Ten Commandments written, according to Ex 20:1-17 (NIV). Ex 20:1-3 tells us:

And God spoke all these words:
2 ‘I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 ‘You shall have no other gods before me....​

The 10 Commandments were not given as the Law for every nation. It was for the nation brought out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery for the Israelites.

I hope this thread grapples with homosexuality as an 'abomination' as language used for the Israelites under the Old Covenant. For those covered by the New Covenant - Christian believers - these are 2 prominent instructions about homosexuality:

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.​

In God's kingdom, homosexuality is only one of a list of a number of sins/wrongs that prevents one from entering God's kingdom. Therefore, I suggest that homosexuality, since the passion and resurrection of Jesus and the emergence of the New Covenant, is placed as one of many wrongs. Let's not single it out more than other sexual immorality, idolatry, adultery, theft, greed, drunkenness, slandering, and swindling.

Could you imagine what would happen in the local church if we placed slandering on the same level of sinfulness as homosexuality? That's where 1 Cor 6 places it.

Others have discussed Rom 1.

Oz

So what happens to the light ISRAEL carries, to be shone as a light unto ALL NATIONS upon the earth?
Where would north or south be on the moral compass?

 

[mjrhealth]

Jesus tells us if we LOVE the father we will keep the father' Commands.
Commandments are thus a command (ie NON NEGOTIABLE).

your a SDA arent you, or a very fresh blind christian, which is it.

 

[OzSpen]

Real Christians Stand up and Condemn the LBGT, Transgender Abomination. God does!!
When Are Christians Going to Care About This?

GIS,

Do real Christians stand up and condemn other sexual immorality, idolatry, adultery, theft, greed, drunkenness, slandering, and swindling? They should, based on 1 Cor 6:9-11.

'Abomination' language is from the OT for the Israelites (e.g. Lev 18:22; 20:13).

The NT language places homosexual actions among a bunch of other sins that prevent a person from entering God's kingdom. They are not called 'abomination'. What are they called?

In 1 Cor 6:9 what is the meaning of the Greek ἄδικοι = adikoi (plural of adikos). According to Bauer, Arndt & Gingrich Greek Lexicon, the singular
ἄδικος means 'doing contrary to what is right' (BAG 1957:17). The TDNT (Kittel ed) gives the meaning in 1 Cor 6:9 as, 'servants of iniquity or ungodly' (1964:1.151).

I checked a few translations and these were the meanings given: unrighteous, unjust, evil/wicked people, people who do wrong, the wicked.

Therefore, all of these translations are legitimate as they indicate those who practise the sins of 1 Cor 6:9-11 (including homosexuality) are engaged in the iniquity of the ungodly. However, that applies equally to ungodly actions such as, other sexual immorality, idolatry, adultery, theft, greed, drunkenness, slandering, and swindling.

I have a high view of Scripture but I'm not convinced calling homosexuality an 'abomination' builds bridges to people practising this sinful lifestyle.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

So what happens to the light ISRAEL carries, to be shone as a light unto ALL NATIONS upon the earth?
Where would north or south be on the moral compass?

Danube,

You didn't deal with the issues I raised but went to what you want to talk about.

Do you know what that tactic is called?

Now get back to the difference between the Old Covenant 'abomination' of homosexuality and the New Covenant adikos (wrongdoer, unrighteous, etc). What's the difference in labelling and language?

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Jesus tells us if we LOVE the father we will keep the father' Commands.
Commandments are thus a command (ie NON NEGOTIABLE) as a sign of your LOVE (in obedience). Do you consider he to be your father?

Which commandments was Jesus referring to?

Should there be capital punishment for children who curse their parents?

What about adulterers? She they be killed also.

How about homosexuals and those who rape certain people?

What about bestiality? Should it be a capital offense?

Oz

 

[Danube]

Danube,

You didn't deal with the issues I raised but went to what you want to talk about.

Do you know what that tactic is called?

Now get back to the difference between the Old Covenant 'abomination' of homosexuality and the New Covenant adikos (wrongdoer, unrighteous, etc). What's the difference in labelling and language?

Oz

The Torah.
Who is ignoring who?
Do you think homosexuals have not already chosen to act upon the thoughts to sin or more importantly...do you believe the homos haven't the option to STOP and flee from their sin at any point?

Again..

What measure do you use or refer to, to give you the knowledge to KNOW what IS "wrong doing or unrighteous"?

Where does it originate from?