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The way I understand is the OT Jews were wicked except for the few born-again.
The way I understand is the OT Jews were wicked except for the few born-again.
But Adam's sin was not imputed to anyone, and neither is anyone else held responsible for our sins.
In Hebrews 11. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. And any without the Spirit do not belong to God.Ok alright Davie you gota point out these born again Old Testiment saints, where are they?
Have you ever studied the Old Testament?Dave you are gonna get 40 lashes save one if you don't straighten out![]()
thank you, still looking for a birthing that comes in after the crossIn Hebrews 11. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. And any without the Spirit do not belong to God.
Yes, just teasing you a littleHave you ever studied the Old Testament?
Consider this if you haven't already.Well, I wouldn't agree that the church is Israel. I think we have had this discussion before.
Jesus was slain and our sins paid for from the foundation of the world.thank you, still looking for a birthing that comes in after the cross
Colossians 2:14
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
If you still follow the " handwriting of ordinances" and fall over yourself to keep the law and be a good Moses gospel expositor, then you are missing the greatest life ever to be lived.
When Jesus Christ laid His dead head on His dead shoulders, you died (all in Adam dead, right then, right now). One of the harshest and most wonderful acts of God at the same time took place.
And Christians should not take it lightly, a very high price was payed for you to espouse your message of separation.
There is no separation for the born again believer. There is shortcomings, sins of the flesh, and what not, but you will be hard pressed to find separation of the believer and Christ in you. Only in mind can they seperate you by there gospel of correction.
You are complete in Him, I thank God for His word or we would all be lost according to the popular message of separation.
What was the "handwriting of ordinances" it is the restoration of Adam, it is trying to fix up the old nature, the Adamic nature keeping it in check.
Which was glorious for that day, it was all they had to have a relationship with God. But in our day it is no longer the gospel of Moses to restore Adam but it is the age of the cross.
Church needs to quit trying to revive Adam, we are no longer tied to Adam. What is needed most of all for the believer is a renewed mind.
We have a different message, we have a new gospel not a restored gospel, it is the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ as your only life, Gal. Chapter 1.
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the deadView attachment 5234
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;
22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:
23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
24 And they glorified God in me.
Hello @Anthony D'Arienzo,Yes Enoch, I believe the ten commandments are still in effect for all mankind.
All Mosaic laws are an expansion of the decalogue as can be shown in the book of Deuteronomy.
Ceremonial and ritual cleansing has been accomplished on our behalf by Jesus in His life and death.
Hello Chris,Would you please clarify something for me? You said to @Enoch, 'I believe the ten commandments are still in effect for all mankind': you are not saying that the keeping of the commandments is a requirement for righteousness are you? For the commandments were given as part of the covenant made by God with Israel, and for them the keeping of them was part of that covenant, and they were obliged to observe them. Gentiles were never under that covenant, or that law though were they? So I do not understand why you say that:- the 10 commandments are still in effect for all mankind. For they were not given to all mankind.
Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
There is also the matter of the Sabbath provisions not being extended into the New Testament order of things, since the Resurrection is the fulfillment of the Feast of Firstfruits.Hello @Anthony D'Arienzo,
Would you please clarify something for me? You said to @Enoch, 'I believe the ten commandments are still in effect for all mankind': you are not saying that the keeping of the commandments is a requirement for righteousness are you? For the commandments were given as part of the covenant made by God with Israel, and for them the keeping of them was part of that covenant, and they were obliged to observe them. Gentiles were never under that covenant, or that law though were they? So I do not understand why you say that:- the 10 commandments are still in effect for all mankind. For they were not given to all mankind.
Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
CoreIssue,
[The 10 Commandments are still in force but they are not law. They were given separately from law. They are on stone tablets but the law was written on parchment, meaning it was perishable, which it did.
Compare the 10 Commandments to the preamble of the Constitution. Both play a vital role without being part of the law or constitution.]
I do not agree. The 10 commandments are still in full effect.
The Ten Commandments were given to all men (including Gentiles) through (1) the conscience and (2) the Bible. In the Old Covenant they were written on tablets of stone, but in the New Covenant they are written on hearts and minds of the regenerated by the Spirit. Thus they are incorporated into the Law of Christ.Gentiles were never under that covenant, or that law though were they? So I do not understand why you say that:- the 10 commandments are still in effect for all mankind. For they were not given to all mankind.