How much ungodly behavior do you see in the church?

[Heart2Soul]

I do, too. I know we differ on what sort of doctrines must be purified, but we both agree that a sifting needs to occur.

AND the Spirit of Truth! When the Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit) sees that your ready for a new revelation it is so awesome how all of a sudden you understand the meaning of a scripture....my major truth that changed my whole thinking was the rapture theory....that is when I started seeing the end times in a different perspective. (without changing scripture)

 

[Jane_Doe22]

AND the Spirit of Truth! When the Spirit of Truth (Holy Spirit) sees that your ready for a new revelation it is so awesome how all of a sudden you understand the meaning of a scripture....my major truth that changed my whole thinking was the rapture theory....that is when I started seeing the end times in a different perspective. (without changing scripture)

Indeed. There is much about God and His wonders that our tiny minds don't fit around. We should never shut out Him expanding out knowledge, even if it challenges our previous tiny-minded paradigms.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Relevant passage:

(my emphasis)

"And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren." (Luke 22.31-32)

Yes. See, I believe the judgments of God are also going to return to the church (and already have in some places), and this too will be something that will test the determination of believers. Those who cannot withstand His chastisements will rebel against Him and accuse Him of being too severe. But unless He acts at some point, the corruption in the church is going to go on forever.

As the scripture says, "Harden not your hearts as in the day of provocation."

 

[CoreIssue]

This really makes me sad to see these kind of statements made towards a member here....I pray the Holy Spirit will speak to you about this and to remind you to speak in love without accusations or labels or slandering another brother or sister in Christ. I know you are a good person but you are harsh.

You need to study then you will see Mormonism is not biblical or Christian.

 

[farouk]

You need to study then you will see Mormonism is not biblical or Christian.

There is the pivotal deity of Christ to consider.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

There is the pivotal deity of Christ to consider.

Jesus Christ = the Son of God, the Creator and Redeemer, Alpha and Omega. My Savior and Lord.

 

[farouk]

Jesus Christ = the Son of God, the Creator and Redeemer, Alpha and Omega. My Savior and Lord.

I understand that there are other supposed elements of spirituality inhering elsewhere, in the body of teaching.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Yes. See, I believe the judgments of God are also going to return to the church (and already have in some places), and this too will be something that will test the determination of believers. Those who cannot withstand His chastisements will rebel against Him and accuse Him of being too severe. But unless He acts at some point, the corruption in the church is going to go on forever.

As the scripture says, "Harden not your hearts as in the day of provocation."

Yes, He has to purge the hearts of man and get them to totally forsake any doctrinal teaching that imprisons a person in their faith and hinders their spiritual growth. Such as churches who don't believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit...etc.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I understand that there are other supposed elements of spirituality inhering elsewhere, in the body of teaching.

That is a very broad statement. Yes, there are other elements to any Christian faith other than the statement "Jesus is the Christ". Christ's divine Sonship and us following Him is the most important thing though.

 

[CoreIssue]

Jesus Christ = the Son of God, the Creator and Redeemer, Alpha and Omega. My Savior and Lord.

The problem is in Mormonism son of God means the literal offspring of the father and one of his wives via sex.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

The problem is in Mormonism son of God means the literal offspring of the father and one of his wives via sex.

Completely false.

@CoreIssue or anyone else, anytime you would like to get your facts straight on what members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe, my offer to explain anything to listening ears still stands.

 

[Heart2Soul]

You need to study then you will see Mormonism is not biblical or Christian.

I understand what you are trying to point out about the church....I have an aunt who is Mormon and I visit with her about it now and then....bottom line is she has confessed Jesus as her Lord and Saviour and believes in the virgin birth, that He is the risen Lord, and everything I believe she believes....hard for me to see her as an evil worshipper.... now she does not agree with polygamy and for the most part there isn't much of that still going on these days that I am aware of anyway.

Ok have blessed night.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I understand what you are trying to point out about the church....I have an aunt who is Mormon and I visit with her about it now and then....bottom line is she has confessed Jesus as her Lord and Saviour and believes in the virgin birth, that He is the risen Lord, and everything I believe she believes

That is core LDS beliefs.

now she does not agree with polygamy and for the most part there isn't much of that still going on these days that I am aware of anyway. .

There's none. Any member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints whom marries a second person is pretty much instantly excommunicated for apostasy.

 

[amadeus]

That's a fair point-- it's helpful to expand on words.
To do so: the best preaching is not done from a pulpit nor is it with words. It is by actions/character: having His light shine through you. Never pretend to be perfect-- we are all sinners.
If is is the uncommon time when it is the time to use words, then don't do it from the pulpit. Rather, talk to a person as a friend, sitting side-by-side, and honestly listening to each other.

This is why we must already be ready with whatever God needs to have in us. Then being ready, God will use to us according to His need. When we come across a person in need of real help from God, can He use us or will He have to turn to another to keep His promise?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

Do we have that necessary food and drink overflowing in us so as to share with the one who is hungry and thirsty?

 

[CoreIssue]

Completely false.

@CoreIssue or anyone else, anytime you would like to get your facts straight on what members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe, my offer to explain anything to listening ears still stands.

And of course your explanation is different than the explanation given by a temple Mormon, which you are not, being a woman.

 

[farouk]

This is why we must already be ready with whatever God needs to have in us. Then being ready, God will use to us according to His need. When we come across a person in need of real help from God, can He use us or will He have to turn to another to keep His promise?

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

Do we have that necessary food and drink overflowing in us so as to share with the one who is hungry and thirsty?

Similar idea in Psalm 63: 'My soul thirsteth for Thee, in a dry and thirsty land where no water is'...

 

[CoreIssue]

I understand what you are trying to point out about the church....I have an aunt who is Mormon and I visit with her about it now and then....bottom line is she has confessed Jesus as her Lord and Saviour and believes in the virgin birth, that He is the risen Lord, and everything I believe she believes....hard for me to see her as an evil worshipper.... now she does not agree with polygamy and for the most part there isn't much of that still going on these days that I am aware of anyway.

Ok have blessed night.

Which Jesus has she confessed? The Mormon one Or the biblical one.

As the Bible warns, there are many false Christs, teachers and profits in the world.

Do you accept Joseph Smith as a true prophet?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

And of course your explanation is different than the explanation given by a temple Mormon, which you are not, being a woman.

Except I am.

CoreIssue, Walter Martian and his ilk sold you a complete load of lies about what LDS people believe. If you want to check you facts with an actual LDS person, you can. If you want to visit an LDS church and see for yourself, you can. If you want to just blindly take Walter Martin's words on things, you can be his disciple. If you want to keep bearing false witness on here, you can. That's your choice.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Which Jesus has she confessed? The Mormon one Or the biblical one.

As the Bible warns, there are many false Christs, teachers and profits in the world.

The "Mormon Christ" is the exact same one preached in the Bible: the Son of God. The Creator of this world whom was in the beginning with the Father. That was born on this earth to a virgin as a humble baby, laid in manager. Who grew up, preached His Father's Gospel and lived a perfect life doing many miracles. Who took upon Him the sins of the world, died on the cross, and rose again after three days. Later amended to Heaven, and is coming back again. He is the King of this world, the Savior of all, the way, and the light.

If that differs from anything you read in the Bible, or if you do not believe any of it and you want to talk about it, we can. If you want to talk about Creedal statements, we can do that. I'm cool talking about anything. But let us be factual: listening to each other and getting our facts straight. Love of fellow men and love of truth are central tenants following Christ.

 

[Willie T]

To LDS people, are not Jesus and Satan, in effect, brothers, equal sons of God, who could have either taken on the task of being born to Mary as our Savior?