Paul said: give thyself to reading of the scriptures

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amadeus

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TV, computers and an educational emphasis on political rights at the expense of the alphabet, is maybe behind a widespread loss of literacy...
I do remember when a clerk or cashier in the store had to be reasonably well versed in basic arithmetic to get and keep his job. The cash registers of old could not calculate how much change to give a person. Most things were paid for in cash in those days. Semi-literate people could not get such jobs and if they did they would not keep them for long. Can a person be good at math and be unable to read?
 

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I do remember when a clerk or cashier in the store had to be reasonably well versed in basic arithmetic to get and keep his job. The cash registers of old could not calculate how much change to give a person. Most things were paid for in cash in those days. Semi-literate people could not get such jobs and if they did they would not keep them for long. Can a person be good at math and be unable to read?
Your final sentence hit upon a point few people seem to understand. Both disciplines require concentration and dedication to developing some basic skill sets and the forming of effective habits.
 

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Your final sentence hit upon a point few people seem to understand. Both disciplines require concentration and dedication to developing some basic skill sets and the forming of effective habits.
Someone did understand it when they regularly used to emphasize the need to learn the 3 R's [Reading, 'Riting and "Rithmetic] in school. It would seem that with the advent of personal computers the 3 R's for the average person has been deemphasized and it probably has hurt and is hurting them in the world of men... although they too often will not even know it.
 

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Someone did understand it when they regularly used to emphasize the need to learn the 3 R's [Reading, 'Riting and "Rithmetic] in school. It would seem that with the advent of personal computers the 3 R's for the average person has been deemphasized and it probably has hurt and is hurting them in the world of men... although they too often will not even know it.
I can still often add up and work out my change before the operator has finished scanning.
 
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1 Timothy 4:13 13Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching.
This is a good passage that helps to understand the process and order of things during these times which have been allotted for such a purpose. "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God", is another.

It is very interesting, and should be taken note of, that Paul also preaches on the other end of the process, on the end, rather than the beginning of coming into the knowledge of God, even saying, "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation..."
 
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This is a good passage that helps to understand the process and order of things during these times which have been allotted for such a purpose. "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God", is another.

It is very interesting, and should be take not of, that Paul also preaches on the other end of the process, on the end, rather than the beginning of coming into the knowledge of God, even saying, "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation..."
Assuming He’s came
 

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What scripture was Paul talking about?

And, to whom was he speaking? It was Timothy, not you or me. I know three quarters of a church full of people I would hate to have to sit and listen to them TRYING to struggle through publicly reading the Bible aloud.
Copies of all those separate letters finally existed after probably decades. But they did not have stenographers at each church to make copies, nor Postal Service or e-mail to facilitate distribution. Shoot, it took more than three hundred years to finally collect enough to make a book called the Bible.
What you said @Enoch111
Lol...just looking at old posts :) and, yes...ALL Scripture to date!
well we have an impression here, and a folklore, that likely is not even very close to reality. Imo we read "give yourself to public reading of the Scripture" but that surely meant something completely diff to Paul. For one we think "Bible" when we read "Scripture" there but that is not how Paul defined "Scripture" anyway, and that's not what the v says, it says "writing."

"All writing is profitable for" etcetc, bearing in mind that fiction was not developed nor disseminated yet, and that ppl got stoned to death for lying back then. This pov also clarifies the Exodus story, as we know that a million plus Hebrews did not literally leave Rahab. "God of the vowel people" splains better than I could tho I guess.

Anyway Paul might have been um completely diff than what we think, and there is ample reason to believe that Saul/Paul (of "Tarsus" no less lol, a big flashing neon sign) was quickly and widely disseminated among a certain let's say "underground" population. The fall of Rome was surely anticipated right, but we don't consider this either?

Paul was declared innocent of anything that deserved death even though he had committed several capitol offenses and was on the run? And there are other deliberate anomalies that bring the story together too I guess, meant to tail with the Christ story, also "guilty" but declared innocent, etc
 

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well we have an impression here, and a folklore, that likely is not even very close to reality. Imo we read "give yourself to public reading of the Scripture" but that surely meant something completely diff to Paul. For one we think "Bible" when we read "Scripture" there but that is not how Paul defined "Scripture" anyway, and that's not what the v says, it says "writing."

"All writing is profitable for" etcetc, bearing in mind that fiction was not developed nor disseminated yet, and that ppl got stoned to death for lying back then. This pov also clarifies the Exodus story, as we know that a million plus Hebrews did not literally leave Rahab. "God of the vowel people" splains better than I could tho I guess.

Anyway Paul might have been um completely diff than what we think, and there is ample reason to believe that Saul/Paul (of "Tarsus" no less lol, a big flashing neon sign) was quickly and widely disseminated among a certain let's say "underground" population. The fall of Rome was surely anticipated right, but we don't consider this either?

Paul was declared innocent of anything that deserved death even though he had committed several capitol offenses and was on the run? And there are other deliberate anomalies that bring the story together too I guess, meant to tail with the Christ story, also "guilty" but declared innocent, etc

That is where grace comes into play. No one starts anything perfect. They grow into it.
 
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ScottA

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If I testify of myself, my testimony is invalid
You've missed the point.

Jesus wasn't saying that to testify of Himself meant the opposite, as if He would not have been the Christ just for saying so...He was saying that if that was all He had, He would not be the One foretold. On the contrary, He in fact did testify of Himself. But it was also written of Him...just as it is written of all who are in Christ, and Christ in us.
 

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You've missed the point.
100% sure, are you?
Jesus wasn't saying that to testify of Himself meant the opposite, as if He would not have been the Christ just for saying so...He was saying that if that was all He had, He would not be the One foretold. On the contrary, He in fact did testify of Himself. But it was also written of Him...just as it is written of all who are in Christ, and Christ in us.
um, you might give an example or two of Jesus testifying of Himself, and let's see

but I can see that invalid does not necessarily mean untrue, sure. Ali was the greatest, for a while, right. At least according to a certain pretty exclusive discipline. But I think the differences between him and our boxers can be made plain, we'll see.

I may have missed the point, but you have now concluded that I have missed the point...iow I have already lost the argument lol, but wth
 
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Yes, the public reading of Scripture is of utmost importance. Many churches do not devote time for this. Some believe this to mean for the pastors private reading, it's importance, but not only this, but paying attention to ones doctrine as well, whether it is biblical; 1 Timothy 4:16.

Some today ridicule doctrine, mitigate doctrine, thinking that some "Give me Jesus only!" mantra is to have proper and biblical doctrine, or is a rejection of theology and doctrine, but such is not the case. Tell me about this Jesus without doctrine. One cannot do so, and most who adhere to such a false creed are errant in many ways, even an up to concerning Jesus.
 
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