Calvinism is NOT a Cult!

[Mjh29]

Per Calvanism I have no choice where I go.

So I take this as a "No, I will/cannot go through each line with you and discuss the problems I have with you guys"
And right back to the unfactual, feelings-based one liners we go.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

So I take this as a "No, I will/cannot go through each line with you and discuss the problems I have with you guys"
And right back to the unfactual, feelings-based one liners we go.

Looks like that's what it is, a refusal to give substantiated answers. Libel it is.

 

[CoreIssue]

If God already decided where everyone goes with no freewill involved there is nothing to discuss or debate.

 

[Mjh29]

If God already decided where everyone goes with no freewill involved there is nothing to discuss or debate.

... it almost feels like he is programmed to only respond with one of 3 responses.... weird...

So you don't feel like actually discussing Scripture then? It is all conjecture, feelings, and cheesy one-liners?

 

[Preacher4Truth]

If God already decided where everyone goes with no freewill involved there is nothing to discuss or debate.

So, you want it left up to you, not God. In other words YOU want to be God.

 

[Mjh29]

So, you want it left up to you, not God. In other words YOU want to be God.

No, it's that we can't trust His judgment! If we aren't the ones choosing, there is no way it can be fair!

Weird, that is exactly what Satan convinced Eve of.... "You will be like Gods, deciding for yourselves what is right and wrong."

 

[Preacher4Truth]

No, it's that we can't trust His judgment! If we aren't the ones choosing, there is no way it can be fair!

Weird, that is exactly what Satan convinced Eve of.... "You will be like Gods, deciding for yourselves what is right and wrong."

Yes, what they are really saying in all this is that God is unfair, which is really to say he is unjust.

 

[Mjh29]

Yes, what they are really saying in all this is that God is unfair, which is really to say he is unjust.

What they are really doing is coming at the Scriptures with the presupposed ideas about who and what God is, and then forcing them into the text.

"There has to be free will" They say, before even reading. Then when they come to places like Romans 9 they try and squeeze it into the box of their own presuppositions.

"But.... but there is free will, so this Can't mean God chose!"

They are making Scripture be ruled and governed by their beliefs, and then turn around and say "I don't need a confession... all I need is the Bible."

Yeah, all you need is the Bible.... and all your preconceived notions and beliefs concerning who you say God has to be.

It's no wonder they rarely ever want to just discuss Scripture.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Looks like God owes everyone salvation. Obligated to give everyone a chance to save themselves by making a decision, then after they decide they get the reward, I mean gift of salvation.

Who wants an earthly judge who gives all criminals mercy and sets them free?

 

[CoreIssue]

If God already decided where everyone goes with no freewill involved there is nothing to discuss or debate.

 

[Mjh29]

If God already decided where everyone goes with no freewill involved there is nothing to discuss or debate.

Then why keep responding at all? If you can't go through any of the Confessions we provided and at least explain a few things that you don't agree with FROM SCRIPTURE, then there is not point in responding, because it is plain for all to see that you cannot refute the truth.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

If God already decided where everyone goes with no freewill involved there is nothing to discuss or debate.

If man decides where man goes there is nothing to discuss or debate.

Your focus is entirely where man goes. That's a truncated view of salvation, and a false gospel: merely make a decision, yes or no, when you die do you want to go to heaven? What a sacrilege of the Gospel, and a disgrace upon the work of Christ.

 

[CoreIssue]

If God already decided where everyone goes with no freewill involved there is nothing to discuss or debate.

Calvanist want people to accept going to the Lake of Fire for eternity happily.

Of course they think they are going eternity with God.

What arrogance.

 

[Mjh29]

If God already decided where everyone goes with no freewill involved there is nothing to discuss or debate.

Calvanist want people to accept going to the Lake of Fire for eternity happily.

Of course they think they are going eternity with God.

What arrogance.

I'm looking at this for any Scripture reference like:

 

[Preacher4Truth]

If God already decided where everyone goes with no freewill involved there is nothing to discuss or debate.

Calvanist want people to accept going to the Lake of Fire for eternity happily.

Of course they think they are going eternity with God.

What arrogance.

Do you think you are "going eternity with God?"

More straw man arguments. You seem to think those who are going to hell love God and are going to miss him. It appears then you believe they are good people and they're going to be appalled that they're not good enough to enter heaven. That and all you see in salvation is "going to heaven when you die." That is a false truncated gospel.

 

[Waiting on him]

And even though mankind is in a fallen condition, God provides a conscience to every human being, and many do follow the leading of their conscience, as we know from Scripture. Therefore human beings are not unremittingly evil and sinful.

Is the word conscience used in the Old Testament scripture? I can’t seem to find it, maybe you could help? Thanks in advance for you help.

 

[CoreIssue]

Is the word conscience used in the Old Testament scripture? I can’t seem to find it, maybe you could help? Thanks in advance for you help.

Conscience - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology Online

Knowledge of good and evil Adam and Eve.

 

[Waiting on him]

Conscience - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology Online

Knowledge of good and evil Adam and Eve.

They had no knowledge of good/evil until they ate

 

[Waiting on him]

They had no knowledge of good/evil until they ate

Kinda similar to when the Holy Ghost called me to eat of the body of Christ

 

[Waiting on him]

Genesis 3:5 KJV
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

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