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Calvinism is NOT a Cult!

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by Mjh29, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. Mjh29

    Mjh29 Well-Known Member

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    Lol! Funny thing, we believe in unconditional election, that God chooses based on nothing in man, good or bad, and are mocked for being "special" which is ignorant, non sequitur, and absurd.

    On the other hand they teach God chose them because they came to him out of true love and chose him, but it's really all him and not due to anything they've done. Lol!!![/QUOTE]

    I read their posts, about how they choose God and yet it is not a work, and I'm like:
    the stupids.gif
     
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  2. farouk

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    It’s simple to see what’s being argued here. Gods glory vs mans glory. It’s impossible to be seen through self righteous prideful eyes.[/QUOTE]
    Just goes to show how we should humble ourselves before God...
     
  3. Preacher4Truth

    Preacher4Truth Well-Known Member

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    It’s simple to see what’s being argued here. Gods glory vs mans glory. It’s impossible to be seen through self righteous prideful eyes.[/QUOTE]
    Right on brother!
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    What is really sad is that key Scriptures which refute all the Calvinistic nonsense are either ignored or perverted. There can only be ONE GOSPEL of grace, and it is certainly not expressed in the Five Points of Calvinism.
     
  5. justbyfaith

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    Here is a major reason why I do not believe in Calvinism, if anyone will follow my logic.

    I did believe in Irresistible Grace; because love never fails, and the Lord God Omnipotent reigneth (1 Corinthians 13:8 and Revelation 19:6).

    This doctrine means that either Limited Atonement is the reality or else Universalism. With Irresistible Grace, if Jesus died for everyone, then Universalism is the reality. Yet Universalsim is false (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50, Matthew 25:46). Which would indicate that Jesus could not have died for everyone. Yet this is also false (2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:4, 1 Timothy 2:6, 1 Timothy 3:9-10, 1 John 2:2, John 3:16-17).

    This created an incontrovertible contradiction in the Bible for me. I asked my wife what she thought the solution was: and she said that it had to be that God has given man free will. But free will is out because of the first two verses that I referenced in this post. Unless I somehow misinterpreted those verses to mean something that they don't really mean.

    What does the Omnipotence of the Lord mean, and the fact of His love never failing, in light of the fact that there is no middle ground between Universalism and Limited Atonement in the Bible, if Irresistible Grace is a reality it is one or the other; and biblically it is neither?

    The answer is that love will not fail to offer every man a decision in the matter, of whether he will choose to believe or disbelieve concerning what Christ did for them on the Cross. God, being Omnipotent, chose not to force the issue of salvation on anyone, but decided to give every man a free choice in the matter.

    The crux of the gospel issue is not that God predetermines salvation; if you make this the crux of the gospel, you do not have the biblical gospel and are in fact preaching a different one; and therefore Paul wrote to let you be accursed and not to try to save you (Galatians 1:6-9, Romans 16:17). The crux of the biblical gospel is as following:

    1Co 15:1, Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    1Co 15:2, By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    1Co 15:3, For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    1Co 15:4, And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


    In a nutshell, it is this:

    Jhn 3:16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
     
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  6. justbyfaith

    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Romans 10:13 should then say "For whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD has been saved."

    Does it say that?

    I encourage the readers to be as the Bereans!

    Act 17:11, These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
     
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  7. CoreIssue

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    From Adam to Eve to Moses and those without the Prophets and Apostles were judged by conscience.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Agree.

    They ate in freewill. God did not program them to eat.
     
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  9. Preacher4Truth

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    Of course it says that, when you know your bible and put it altogether and see the Gospel clearly.

    You don't really know your bible, you just know a few verses that you rip out of context and use for false conclusions. But, you don't mind, you don't value or hold highly the Word of God.
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    So do not read the Bible literally?

    Romans 10:13
    13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

    KJV

    For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    ESV

    For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

    NLT

    For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.”

    Call first then saved. Not saved then call.
     
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  11. Dave L

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    Only believers (already saved by grace) believe enough to call on the name of the Lord. Or they wouldn't call on it.
     
  12. justbyfaith

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    I noticed quite a delay in your response....it took a little while for you to process that scripture and then harden your heart to it enough to deny it publicly, I gather.
     
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    It seems that Total Depravity has taken hold of them, so that they are unable to believe the truth of the matter...
     
  14. Dave L

    Dave L Guest

    What scriptures are you referring to that Calvinists ignore or pervert? Any samples?
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    You have very poor reading skills.
     
  16. justbyfaith

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    It's kind of like when the Pharisees came to Jesus and asked Him for a sign from heaven...when He had just gotten finished doing a bunch of miracles!
     
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    Calvinism is a theological orientation, how can that qualify as a cult? I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a church around here anyway that says on its sign the church of Calvin
     
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    The difference between armanian and Calvin theology is the opinion a person has of themselves, you apparently have a very high opinion of yourself. I just don’t happen to share in that
     
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    We do indeed need to approach issues of Biblical doctrine with a humble, prayerful heart.
     
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    Waiting on him Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn’t you agree there’s no humility in this freewill debate
     
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