Christ vs the anti-Christ: Who is winning?

[Jane_Doe22]

Are you a Mormon?

You are errantly assuming that a "Mormon" = disciple of Joseph Smith.
Not the case.
I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, a Christian. I attend church at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Joseph Smith is not the foundation of my life.

I know this contradicts all the junk you've been told "Mormons" believe.

 

[amadeus]

Your opinions have VERY little to do with any Biblical truth. I see that you will not help to snatch anyone out of the fires of hell & are complicit with those who have been lead into a false cult.

Really sorry you see things that way. There's another fellow [ @bbyrd009 ]on here who regularly has tried to help people stop trying to define something they cannot define in detail: absolute truth. It really is Jesus, but who already sees his face better than as through a glass darkly. With Moses the best many will ever do is be hidden in the cleft of a rock and view his hinder parts. Until they are ready, will not more vision than that kill them? If we do not progress from through a glass darkly to face to face, what is our final result likely to be?

You really can stop lecturing me on Christian love and charity. It is the Most UNLOVING thing is to Let people be deceived by false teachings and to go into Hell & tell them they are just fine & lecture the ones warning them, it shows grave ignorance.

Am I lecturing you or simply cautioning you and others to be sure of where you are before you decide where you are and then insist that only you have the whole loaf? Who was Jesus to most of the Pharisees? Were they not the ones with the position and the knowledge? Were they not the ones who always according to them taught correctly?

Love speaks truth no matter what the cost. Would you warn of an on coming disaster or run into a burning house in order to save a soul or would you just tell the people watching that the house flickering & smoke is not evidence of Fire and that it will not burn down, & to just believe & trust?

Yes, love speaks the truth, but that means always when it is time to speak as what is to be spoken... which must be the Word of God. Quoting scripture does not make a person's words the Word of God, does it? Jesus always spoke the Word of God, but do we... always?

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" Ecc 3:1

"... a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" Ecc 3:7

There are many in the church today who just call themselves Christians but they have failed to learn what the Bible teaches about contending for the Gospel, about having righteous judgment & knowing when people are preaching falsehoods, about reproving with scripture, about snatching souls out of the fire or protecting the flock from false teachers & by identifying dangerous doctrines that put people's eternal souls in jeopardy.

Is not the most effective witness a person can give to be found in his very own life from day to day, 24 hours per day and 7 days per week? Pointing out another person's supposed errors based on our own supposedly absolute knowledge may be found to be NOT according to our calling from God. None of us save people. Only God through His Son does that. If He calls us to help or to be a usable vessel , so be it, but be certain of your own calling before insisting it is also the calling for every other part of the Body of Christ, be they finger, or toe or foot.

"Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called." I Cor 7:20

This is why so many false teachers in pulpits, and we have the Emergent church that preaches heresies and why the Lord Jesus warned that in the end times before the Anti-Christ appearance there will be the great falling away from Biblical Christianity ---and it already is in progress , we see.

And when exactly was it that things were better among men than they are now? Has not the same problem of men been in continuous existence since Adam and Eve disobeyed God? Jesus came to bring Life, but most people from then until now as I see have continued to choose to remain dead... Would you force them to eat of the Tree of Life? I don't believe that it works that way. God does not work that way.

 

[CoreIssue]

"If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath." Mark 4:23-25

Mother Teresa didn't listen to the gospel and did not share the gospel. So those she cared for only heard her version, not the bible.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

It is serious, it is a matter of life or death - eternally because no False religion leads to salvation. Mormonism is a false teaching poising as Christian & that is utter nonsense , it presents a False Christ, and a False gospel just as the Lord Jesus warned followers to not be deceived by.

From Mormon website:
There teaching about Adam and Eve.
"Because Adam and Eve chose to follow God the Father, we are all able to come to earth, as they did, to receive a body, learn and grow, and become more like God and Jesus Christ, so that , we can return to live with Them again someday."

This is serious spiritual deception. That one little sentence describing Adam and Eve contains 5 blatant Lies. The deceived deceiver Joseph Smith, lead by demonic inspiration is what the Bible warns is a false teacher. Joseph Smith began his own false cult trying to ride upon the teachings of Christianity. Smith blasphemes & corrupts the Christian teachings by adding to the Bible scripture , by subtracting from the Bible scripture, and he presents a False Christ, substitutes a false gospel & false salvation which leads people away from the True Gospel of Jesus Christ and Salvation. This means his false teaching is leading people to hell.

Does it really matter though? They've already told us they love Jesus, and that's all that matters. For loving Jesus they get to go to heaven. So, that then makes them into a Christian because they say so.

(OK, sarcasm off...)

 

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

You are errantly assuming that a "Mormon" = disciple of Joseph Smith.
Not the case.
I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, a Christian. I attend church at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Joseph Smith is not the foundation of my life.

I know this contradicts all the junk you've been told "Mormons" believe.

mormon cartoons - Yahoo Video Search Results

 

[Jane_Doe22]

mormon cartoons - Yahoo Video Search Results

And...?

 

[tzcho2]

Again, ^this is completely false.

Again, not the Bible.

That is a meaningless yet deceptive post above, like the misdirection the magicians use when they are trying to trick people. Nothing to see here people.... ah but there is.
The Book of Mormon writes a lot of tall tales about the the beginning of creation, Jesus, God, heaven, Adam and Eve, Satan etc....
Oh do we know it's not the Bible ---why yes we do , that is the whole point , it's the lies that Mormons are taught & believe that makes them not Christians.

 

[tzcho2]

mormon cartoons - Yahoo Video Search Results

Yes , it is some very grandiose lies that Mormonism is base upon. Nothing that has anything to do with what is written in the Bible.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

You are errantly assuming that a "Mormon" = disciple of Joseph Smith.
Not the case.
I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, a Christian. I attend church at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Joseph Smith is not the foundation of my life.

I know this contradicts all the junk you've been told "Mormons" believe.

No, you're a disciple of the false christ of Joseph Smith.

You are not converted, you are not a Christian.

LDS is not a church, fyi, and it is not a group of saints. You would not have the set of beliefs you have now unless Smith came up with them.

 

[amadeus]

Mother Teresa didn't listen to the gospel and did not share the gospel. So those she cared for only heard her version, not the bible.

And each of us shares our version, whether it is the Word or God or not, right?
Some one without the quickening of the Holy Spirit would have no Word to share, right?
Can a person have the Word of God without having ever read a Bible? Consider those disciples in the early Church who were illiterate or did not have access to a written scroll of the scriptures.
Can we teach anyone anything "good" by our day to day living if we are illiterate? Remember that there is none "good" but one.

 

[tzcho2]

Does it really matter though? They've already told us they love Jesus, and that's all that matters. For loving Jesus they get to go to heaven. So, that then makes them into a Christian because they say so.

(OK, sarcasm off...)

Yes, unfortunately, we've seen in this thread a few that have defended this false religion by saying exactly that; saying that you "love" Jesus makes anyone a Christian.

 

[Mjh29]

Yes, unfortunately, we've seen in this thread a few that have defended this false religion by saying exactly that saying you love Jesus makes anyone a Christian.

Depends on what Jesus you claim to love and trust.... It must be the Jesus that is set forth in the Holy Scriptures, otherwise it is not Jesus at all.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Yes, unfortunately, we've seen in this thread a few that have defended this false religion by saying exactly that saying you love Jesus makes anyone a Christian.

No, you're a disciple of the false christ of Joseph Smith.

You are not converted, you are not a Christian.

LDS is not a church, fyi, and it is not a group of saints. You would not have the set of beliefs you have now unless Smith came up with them.

Here's how this conversation is going down:

"Anti-cultist": Loving Christ doesn't matter! Only truth matters!
Me: Are you interested is the truth about what I actually believe?
"Anti-cultist": NO!!!! *flee from getting facts straight and hurl tons of personal insults at everyone!*
Me: ... well, that was silly.

 

[tzcho2]

You are errantly assuming that a "Mormon" = disciple of Joseph Smith.
Not the case.
I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, a Christian. I attend church at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Joseph Smith is not the foundation of my life.

I know this contradicts all the junk you've been told "Mormons" believe.

It was a "yes or no " question and you dodged it quite predictably. I knew you would only give a deceptive, misleading and disingenuous answer. Deception is not a good fruit. But that is the fruit from a false religion that attempts to paint itself as Christian.

Jesus warned in Matthew 7:15 "15 Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them.Are grapes gathered from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.…"

 

[CoreIssue]

And each of us shares our version, whether it is the Word or God or not, right?
Some one without the quickening of the Holy Spirit would have no Word to share, right?
Can a person have the Word of God without having ever read a Bible? Consider those disciples in the early Church who were illiterate or did not have access to a written scroll of the scriptures.
Can we teach anyone anything "good" by our day to day living if we are illiterate? Remember that there is none "good" but one.

Word(Logos) is God. The word of God is the Bible.

 

[amadeus]

Does it really matter though? They've already told us they love Jesus, and that's all that matters. For loving Jesus they get to go to heaven. So, that then makes them into a Christian because they say so.

(OK, sarcasm off...)

And yet you would have us believe that you, who are not a Mormon, are a Christian/follower of Jesus because you say so. Why should your testimony be accepted and the testimony of @Jane_Doe22 be rejected? Is truth determined by a majority vote?

You don't even want to really listen to her part. Rather you presume that all of the worst things you have heard or believed with regard to Mormons in general and Joseph Smith are part and parcel of her. How does that attitude differ from the attitude in this verse against Jesus?

"And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils." Mark 3:22

The scribes were the ones who wrote down the scriptures preparing new scrolls to replace the old ones as they wore out. They certainly knew the scriptures as perhaps you do. What is the difference? Why would they be wrong about Jesus and why then would you be correct about @Jane_Doe22 ?

Why is your Bible knowledge better than that of those scribes?

 

[tzcho2]

Here's how this conversation is going down:

"Anti-cultist": Loving Christ doesn't matter! Only truth matters!
Me: Are you interested is the truth about what I actually believe?
"Anti-cultist": NO!!!! *flee from getting facts straight and hurl tons of personal insults at everyone!*
Me: ... well, that was silly.

We are Just shining the Light of Truth on the Lies, deceit & darkness of Mormonism. The whole religous cult is built around spiritual fabrications deception.

 

[CoreIssue]

Depends on what Jesus you claim to love and trust.... It must be the Jesus that is set forth in the Holy Scriptures, otherwise it is not Jesus at all.

As a calvinist it doesn't matter to you. What matters is who God decided to save with no freewill choice involve at all.

 

[Mjh29]

As a calvinist it doesn't matter to you. What matters is who God decided to save with no freewill choice involve at all.

And as an Arminian it doesn't matter to you; Christ's blood would be worthless unless you made it work.

we could do sticks and stones all day, but it seems to me that only people who agree 100% with the God you believe in is true.

 

[amadeus]

Word(Logos) is God. The word of God is the Bible.

You did not answer my questions. I believe rather that the Bible as written is simply the body of Jesus hanging dead on the cross before he resurrected. People without being led by the Holy Spirit read the Bible and get nothing or wrong answers because what they have consumed is NOT quickened in them. The dead book of the Bible alone will save no one. How can Bibles in bookstores or in libraries save people if no person has ever even opened one of them?

"[God] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:6

The letter of the Bible, any Bible in any language or in any version, is dead and the dead cannot give Life to anyone. This is why we needed a Savior. This is why we needed Jesus, the Word of God. Jesus saved not one person by his death. By his death he simply opened a closed Door/Gate allowing access to the Tree of Life. Only overcomers can eat of the Tree of Life!