When to look for the rapture of the church

[Taken]

I think you don't listen very well. You talk quite well, but listening and pondering is not your strong suit.

The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.

You can take any portion of what I have said, quote me and challenge it with scripture to the contrary, if you think you can.

Then I would have something to ponder.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[stunnedbygrace]

were you seriously looking for A scripture to tell you all about the tribulation? It appeared so.

I'm not sure how you could arrive at this about me if you read my posts...


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Sorry that landed IN the quote box brother!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You can take any portion of what I have said, quote me and challenge it with scripture to the contrary, if you think you can.

Then I would have something to ponder.

Glory to God,
Taken

I Am challenging the way you spoke to your brother.

 

[Taken]

I have been civil. Childish behavior like this puts you in my ignore box.

Good day sir.

Ask a childish question, and I will point you in a direction for a childs reasoning.

No need to be offended. I have a toddler Bible and have started many teens and young adults on a toddler Bible, because they had heard this and heard that, and were not capable of yet knowing How to study complex scriptures.

Thank you, it's always a good day the Lord has made, Good Day to you as well,

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Well that's a nice thing to say!
I've noticed that I'm slowly becoming a kinder and better person the older I get... but I wasn't aware anyone else thought so as well, LoL.

Thanks for the nice compliment. Hopefully I can keep living up to it.

If you are growing in these things, you do well.

Edit: I looked up the verse I was paraphrasing: 2 peter 1:8 - For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Taken]

Further testing doesn't involve coming to Christ. It involves growing in trust.

JESUS CAME TO DIVIDE...
For 2,000 + years men have been choosing to be WITH Him or divided and Against Him.

Luke 12:
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

The SEPARATION of the DIVIDED is coming soon. Either one is Prepared or they are not.

That simple.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I Am challenging the way you spoke to your brother.

Point out a lie, cheating, deception or whatever "WAY" you are talking about.

I am not a mindreader.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Okay, its quite enough. Pride comes before a fall. We are not without discernment. You spoke in arrogance to your brother. You will either consider it or carry on in it.

 

[ScottA]

Peter is referring to the Church -- spiritual stones.

But the Antichrist's temple -- which is yet to be built -- will be a literal structure, perhaps built with stone, or another material (s).

It's all spiritual, but yes, his is manifest in the kingdom given to him for a short time.

 

[ScottA]

Actual stones.

Stranger

...No mention of Peter?

 

[Taken]

Sorry that landed IN the quote box brother!

No prob.

So, there about 3 o4 that have "grace" in their name...Sorry but I do not "keep track of every poster".

I post what I believe, and disagree with what I do not believe.

I used to post step by step every parallel scripture for my belief...WASTE OF TIME...on deaf ears, and besides I post from my phone, and an ordeal to go back and forth to scripts.

So, no, I do not really know anyone with "grace" in their name speaking of having studied in depth any particular topic.

And when I say Indepth, I mean months, of researching every word in scripture that applies to the topic, and what it means, then, and who it applies to. And going over and over that Knowledge and then Asking God for His understanding...

Have you done that? About the Lords church, Redemption, The end time Tribulations, the Lambs Wrath, Gods Wrath? I have.

So who doen't know to do that IF they want to know and understand the knowledge ?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Okay, its quite enough. Pride comes before a fall. We are not without discernment. You spoke in arrogance to your brother. You will either consider it or carry on in it.

Do not confuse assuredness with arrogance.

Be sure in what you believe.
Know what is your source.
Be not ashamed to speak it.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Trekson]

SEALS....are the Wrath of the Lamb...
(Particularly toward the Jews, who believe in God, but not Christ Jesus)

We begin to see, them coming into belief, about the 5th seal opening.

The majority, still adhering to God, (but not Christ Jesus) will have Jews teaching preaching Christ for 3 1/2 years in Jerusalem.
(The two witnesses), many Jews becoming saved...and Killed.
There after many Jews head for the hills.
144,000 then minister to them, and they convert, become saved, become killed.
Their soul goes to God...

Their bodies not yet resurrected.

Then the WOES, ie the Trumpets, sounded by 7 angels....more disaster.

Then the Great tribulation ie the WRATH of God...when mainly unbelievers are on earth...suffer His wrath 7 VIALS poured out and His cup of indignation, poured out on those who persecuted the faithful to God.

God Bless,
Taken

Unfortunately, none of that is scriptural.

 

[Trekson]

Personally, I'm Pre-wrath and Post-Trib. Not sure if I've heard anyone else teach it like I do, but I agree with you that the typical Pre-wrath and Post-trib positions have the most support from scripture.

not sure how one can be both???

 

[Naomi25]

I agree that those who suspect a pretrib gathering together often skew vss to their view. Those who suspect no pretrib gathering together also do this. I myself suspect a pretrib gathering, but I see the inconsistencies/assumptions of my likeminded brothers.

When it comes to end times, the passages are unspecific enough to mean that at some point we must make a few assumptions to base our conclusions on. I think all anyone can do is attempt to do so in a manner that fits all the passages best, leaves the least questions and makes the least assumptions.
While I’m aware other views believe they do this, and yes, it’s their right to believe what they want, I think it’s not a bad thing to question our views (all of us) against scripture. Does it really say that? Is there anything in other places that can back that up? Am I only assuming that because if it’s not that it would mess up my system?
Allowing the bible to speak truthfully and plainly must always, I think, come before a system.

 

[Taken]

Unfortunately, none of that is scriptural.

Fortunately all of it is Scriptural.



Glory to God,
Taken

 

[SovereignGrace]

Is it necessary to talk to your brother this way?

Notice how when I asked for a verse that explicitly shows a pre-trib rapture and what response I got?

The Bible is to be literally interpreted, and if a pre-trib rapture is legit, it would say so. But they can’t prove it, so instead of showing where it is, they can’t and insult ppl’s intelligence.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I think that is impossible.

Then that should be a cause for concern, correct? Look, the word rapture is not found in the Bible, but neither is the word Trinity. Both are clearly taught in there. So, I can go to several places and prove both are biblical teachings. However, the pre-trib rapture is not found. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 doesn’t teach it, as there is no mention of the timing. The same for 1 Corinthians 15:50ff. The Ark account doesn’t prove it. Neither does Revelation 4. That should be Clifford the Big Red flag.

It is gleaned (by some) through what they see as a preponderance of evidence. There is no smoking gun. Its all of scripture, along with how God acted in the past, that leads a man to suspect a pretrib gathering together.

Again, where does it say in any passage the timing of His coming? Plus, the pre-trib has the Christ coming twice, once in the cloud and then afterwards. There is no coming again again.

 

[Taken]

Unfortunately, none of that is scriptural.

Taken said:
SEALS....are the Wrath of the Lamb...
(Particularly toward the Jews, who believe in God, but not Christ Jesus)

We begin to see, them coming into belief, about the 5th seal opening.

Unfortunately, none of that is scriptural.

SEALS....are the Wrath of the Lamb...
(Particularly toward the Jews, who believe in God, but not Christ Jesus)


Rev.5
[1] ...a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
[2] ...Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
[6] ...a Lamb ...
[7] ..took the book..
[9] ..Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof:
[12]... Worthy is the Lamb..

Unfortunately, none of that is scriptural.

rev 6
[1]...the Lamb opened one of the seals...
[2] And I saw, and behold a white horse:
...he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
[3]...opened the second seal,
[4]...another horse that was red: and power to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another:
[5] opened the third seal,...lo a black horse; a pair of balances in his hand.
[7] ...opened the fourth seal...
[8]...a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Unfortunately, none of that is scriptural.

We begin to see, them coming into belief, about the 5th seal opening.

Unfortunately, none of that is scriptural.

[9]...opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
[11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Unfortunately, none of that is scriptural.

[12]...the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
[13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
[14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Unfortunately, none of that is scriptural.

[15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[16]...the wrath of the Lamb:
[17]...the great day of his wrath is come;

Unfortunately, none of that is scriptural.

Is some of your Bible missing?

Glory to God,
Taken