Christ vs the anti-Christ: Who is winning?

[amadeus]

nice, ya. I'm curious in this vein the last time you witnessed a believer dying in their sleep?
Or doing something they loved?

I hear you I guess. A "believer" will die in his sleep but if he has lost his love of truth then it is all a delusion, is it not? His comfort is in the things of the flesh or in Nehushtan which he is certain is THE Christ. His comfort in the flesh is comfortless. Where for him can the love of God be seen?

"For these things I weep; mine eye, mine eye runneth down with water, because the comforter that should relieve my soul is far from me: my children are desolate, because the enemy prevailed." Lamentations 1:16

 

[amadeus]

Who is "us," t2, bc I'm pretty sure everyone else in here is already fam with them ok, even sick of them via my repetition if nothing else. And at your Mr Slick I hope you understand that imo he is fine, for someone operating under the Hegelian Dialectic; he is right where he is supposed to be right now imo, serving God or trying, just like us.

So, not meaning to be coy up there, you could search my feed for "beliefs irrelevant" or I think last time "Good Samaritan" and "Roman Centurion" came up, but there is a more direct passage @ Colossians 2:16 too I guess.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God." Col 2:16-19

And believing they do hold the Head which is Jesus, instead they hold fast to Nehushtan!

 

[amadeus]

Indeed, that is very true, and was the case for me 20 years ago. I was a member of the AOG for 12 years or so until I fell away from faith altogether. Then when my eyes were opened, I saw my marriage falling apart...my children walking the ways of the world without Christ...prompted me to come back to Him. Falling on my face I pleaded with Him to start afresh...to teach me from scratch...I wanted no gaps, no doubts, no half-truths, no half-pie beliefs that weren't fully supported from scripture, and I did not want to fall away again or go the way of so many whose faith is up and down like a roller coaster ...high one day low the next. I fully surrendered that day. And I do so every day now.

Several times over the years I have done this with a major reduction first resulting in a major increase, but then as you have said in your last sentence above: "And I do so every day now". This must always be our daily restart from the bottom and at the end of the day if we have been faithfully submitted will we not find ourselves at a higher place in Him? Who did this? Us... or Him?

And He did just that. While kneeling before Him that very moment, despite not having had a Bible in my hand for many years, He said, "seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things (a healed marriage and my children in faith) would be added unto you". He has kept His promise. So yes, sometimes we need to start over...start from scratch again just to say to God, cleanse me from all the rubbish that may have gotten through, deliver me from the viruses that are so prevalent in the church slowing down and sometimes preventing optimum performance.

God showed me that same verse [Matt 6:33] many years ago and keeps on bringing me back to it. I use it often for myself and for others who really are hungry and thirsty for God and His righteousness.

Give God the glory!

 

[amadeus]

@tzcho2 said: Certainly people reveal themselves by what they supor

@bbyrd009 said: ↑
No, but I am aware that ones beliefs are irrelevant to God wadr, and what overrides them

@tzcho2
Please give us the Bible scripture that supports your opinion.

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

 

[Jay Ross]

Who is "us," t2, bc I'm pretty sure everyone else in here is already fam with them ok, even sick of them via my repetition if nothing else. And at your Mr Slick I hope you understand that imo he is fine, for someone operating under the Hegelian Dialectic; he is right where he is supposed to be right now imo, serving God or trying, just like us.

So, not meaning to be coy up there, you could search my feed for "beliefs irrelevant" or I think last time "Good Samaritan" and "Roman Centurion" came up, but there is a more direct passage @ Colossians 2:16 too I guess.

Is your feed free and will I find it if I search through it or is it simply a lot of hot air lol that you also feed on.

 

[Nancy]

Indeed, that is very true, and was the case for me 20 years ago. I was a member of the AOG for 12 years or so until I fell away from faith altogether. Then when my eyes were opened, I saw my marriage falling apart...my children walking the ways of the world without Christ...prompted me to come back to Him. Falling on my face I pleaded with Him to start afresh...to teach me from scratch...I wanted no gaps, no doubts, no half-truths, no half-pie beliefs that weren't fully supported from scripture, and I did not want to fall away again or go the way of so many whose faith is up and down like a roller coaster ...high one day low the next. I fully surrendered that day. And I do so every day now.
And He did just that. While kneeling before Him that very moment, despite not having had a Bible in my hand for many years, He said, "seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things (a healed marriage and my children in faith) would be added unto you". He has kept His promise. So yes, sometimes we need to start over...start from scratch again just to say to God, cleanse me from all the rubbish that may have gotten through, deliver me from the viruses that are so prevalent in the church slowing down and sometimes preventing optimum performance.

Well. I must say that you took the words right out of my mouth. I started at a charismatic church in 1992 and stayed for 2-3 years. It was not a proper fit for me. Then I went to an AOG church, like you. Was there for a good 4 years and from there I totally walked away , like you. Ha...funny. Now, I attend services more for worship and fellowship. I did spend over 2years in a Baptist Church and still very much miss their beautiful, no bells and whistles, lighting effects, fake smoke on stage stuff, which is not true worship music (IMHO) I would call it good (some of it) Jesus music or even, Christian music but...not true worship music.
The important thing is that we came back and we both came back literally "on our faces"...that finally happened for me about 4 years ago and I have not looked back since. We sought TRUTH and we found it

 

[brakelite]

Well. I must say that you took the words right out of my mouth. I started at a charismatic church in 1992 and stayed for 2-3 years. It was not a proper fit for me. Then I went to an AOG church, like you. Was there for a good 4 years and from there I totally walked away , like you. Ha...funny. Now, I attend services more for worship and fellowship. I did spend over 2years in a Baptist Church and still very much miss their beautiful, no bells and whistles, lighting effects, fake smoke on stage stuff, which is not true worship music (IMHO) I would call it good (some of it) Jesus music or even, Christian music but...not true worship music.
The important thing is that we came back and we both came back literally "on our faces"...that finally happened for me about 4 years ago and I have not looked back since. We sought TRUTH and we found it

I have been an Adventist now for 21 years. Before that I knew nothing about them, except for one thing. My AOG church bought an old building of theirs, cut in 3 pieces and shipped it across town on the back of a truck and put it together next to our local shopping centre opposite where we had been hiring a school
I discovered many things when joining the SDA church. One of the earliest was the antagonism against the church by everyone else. Mormons, JWs, and a few others were freely discussed and critiqued when I was in previous churches but Adventists, well the only comment I would hear was"they are different".
I found it weird, still do, that so many are so virulent in their opposition, but so reluctant to explain why.

 

[bbyrd009]

Is your feed free and will I find it if I search through it or is it simply a lot of hot air lol that you also feed on.

well on the last couple some of both I guess, and I don't quite get the first, all feeds here are free? he and I had already gone over that though, was my point. Let him talk at the mog for a while lol, perfect

 

[Marymog]

Yes the Reformation was a great thing. The RCC was/is very corrupt & adding their heretical false teachings, man- made writings & claiming the priests & Pope can forgive sins, RC dogma that has nothing to do with Jesus teachings & God's Word. It would have corrupted all of Christianity if it was allowed.

The Reformation was the catalyst that brought greather division amongst the Christian Church which is OPPOSITE of Jesus prayer in John 17:21. How is that a "great thing"?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Yes the Reformation was a great thing. The RCC was/is very corrupt & adding their heretical false teachings, man- made writings & claiming the priests & Pope can forgive sins, RC dogma that has nothing to do with Jesus teachings & God's Word. It would have corrupted all of Christianity if it was allowed.

Hi,

All denominations have corruption. All denominations have teachings that are opposite of each other denominations and profess that other denominations have heretical false teachings; that their teachings are not heretical. You have even suggested that the RCC has heretical teachings/beliefs. How do you KNOW that the RCC teachings are heretical and your beliefs are not heretical?

The Apostles were given the authority to forgive and retain sins in John 20:23. Where is your evidence that the authority to forgive sins was rescinded?

Where is your evidence that RC dogma has nothing to do with Jesus teachings and your dogma does? The RCC dogma mirrors scripture and the teachings of the 1st century Christians who walked and talked with the Apostles. Does your or your churches dogma mirror scripture?

Has the dogma of Protestant Churches corrupted Christianity?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

It's a thought provoking question, which seems fairly obvious to me. -- In the days of Noah the world had CLEARLY descended into sin and the world had to be destroyed by water. And so shall it be when the Son of Man is revealed when the world is destroyed by fire:

Luke 17:26
And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.​

And so PLEASE expect that TODAY is the BEST DAY, because tomorrow with be worse, and the day after will be even worse, etc.

Sorry to have such a dismal forecast, but we are encouraged to ENDURE:

Rev. 13:10 ... Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
Rev. 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.​

I hope you are "preparing" your household for these times, because they're here ...


With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

Thank you Bobby Jo.

I agree, it is a thought provoking question. If today is the "best day" I do not look forward to the worst day's.

I would like to expound on your Noah reference. Sin was destroyed by water in the days of Noah and eight persons were brought safely (saved) through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you. (1 Peter 3:20-21)

We must endure.....Thank you for your Scripture references. I had forgotten about them.

Respectfully, Mary

 

[Marymog]

Mary, can i ask you if you see Christ as being defeated at the crucifixion and satan winning? It had to appear so to many at that time, but not so. Consider what men saw with their eyes, the King of the Jews defeated and overcome by evil. But that wasn’t so. 2 Corinthians 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

Thank you VIJ,

No, Christ was not defeated at the crucifixion.

That does not change the FACT that a majority of people in this world are not following his teachings. That FACT is un-deniable and has NOTHING to do with Jesus not being defeated 2,000 years ago when he was crucified.


Mary

 

[Marymog]

YOU DO!!! Or do you think yourself incapable of comparing SDA beliefs with scripture? Oh, of course. You don't believe in the authority of scripture. You just do as your church says. So if your church says SDAs are wrong, then they, the CC, must be right? So the CC is the final authority as to who is right and who is wrong. Guess what. When I am standing before the throne of God and am asked to justify my beliefs and practice, and to to give account for my life of faith and practice, I will not have the Pope standing at my side holding my hand and defending me. I will point to my Bible and simply say..."Thus saith the Lord"...

I do just as the Church says because it is the pillar and foundation of truth. You should also do as the Church tells you to do.....

Yes, if the Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth, says the SDA's are wrong then they are wrong.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I do just as the Church says because it is the pillar and foundation of truth. You should also do as the Church tells you to do.....

Yes, if the Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth, says the SDA's are wrong then they are wrong.

Mary, you really need to acknowledge that only Catholics find the Catholic church to have any authority. The argument "the Catholic Church says it's wrong!" only holds weight with Catholics, and cause you to be ignored by non-Catholics.

I don't say this to be mean, but as a useful tip for your conversations here.

 

[bbyrd009]

ha, the mog acknowledge, conversation ha too.
Lemme know how that goes k

 

[Marymog]

Sorry but it seems there is a misunderstanding of what the Bible means by "church "it is not meant the Roman Catholic Church.
The "church"referred to in scripture does not refer to ANY man-made institution such as the RCC etc, but to the Godly assembly of born again Christ submitted (little Christs) Christians of whom God knows their identity that is across all denominations--we humans do not. Some who call themselves Christians are not necessarily, but in name only and the Bible states that the Lord Jesus will sift them at the judgment.
What to follow or listen to? the churches & Pastor's that preach the full counsel of GOD, but none that teach from made-created doctrines, nor from denominations that add or subtract from the Bible.
Actually, as far as Bible scripture goes it calls Mary wife of Joseph, the mother of Jesus, not the mother of God, Mary was not divine, she was a sinner in need of the Savior & she cannot grant prayers. The Apocrypha is not included in the canon for obvious reasons & not considered to be God inspired scripture that 2Tim 16 : "16AllScripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…."

hi

Scripture clearly establishes a "man made institution". The Apostles CLEARLY had authority over all the other members of The Church. They then passed that authority to other men who were elders, presbyter's etc. Those men were then to teach the sound doctrine to other men. That sound doctrine was passed on to them via letter or orally. The leaders of The Church where then to decide who was to be treated as pagans/tax collectors and who was teaching heresy. Without a hierarchal Church with authority we are all just ships floating in an ocean with no rudder which brings us swift destruction. That is the result of Protestantism and your un-biblical belief.

Mary

 

[CoreIssue]

I do just as the Church says because it is the pillar and foundation of truth. You should also do as the Church tells you to do.....

Yes, if the Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth, says the SDA's are wrong then they are wrong.

And where is your proof that Catholicism is the Church?

 

[Marymog]

Mary, you really need to acknowledge that only Catholics find the Catholic church to have any authority. The argument "the Catholic Church says it's wrong!" only holds weight with Catholics, and cause you to be ignored by non-Catholics.

I don't say this to be mean, but as a useful tip for your conversations here.

Hi Jane,

Thank you for your tip. I don't think you are being mean.

Scripture establishes a Church with authority. I acknowledge that authority.

Which Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth? Which Church has the authority to call someone's teaching heretical or to tell you to treat someone as a heathen man and a publican? Do you have a Church with authority that you recognize?

Curious Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Hi Jane,

Thank you for your tip. I don't think you are being mean.

Scripture establishes a Church with authority. I acknowledge that authority.

Which Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth? Which Church has the authority to call someone's teaching heretical or to tell you to treat someone as a heathen man and a publican? Do you have a Church with authority that you recognize?

Curious Mary

You're overlooking the point: ONLY Catholics think the Catholic Church is that church.
If someone said to your "Well, the Baptist Church says that you're wrong about XYZ, so you must be wrong", would you acknowledge that?
NO!!! You would completely blow them off because you don't see the Baptist Church as having squat for authority. It's a completely counter-productive arguement.
Likewise every single nonCatholic see the Catholic Church as having squat authority and every time you use that argument you are only being counter productive to your cause.

 

[Marymog]

And where is your proof that Catholicism is the Church?

The Church was first called Catholic in AD 107. The Catholic Church has been following the teachings of the Apostles, the Apostolic Fathers and the ECF's for 2,000 years. Has your church been doing that? If so, where is your evidence?